Rose Bowl, Wisconsin +2.5 vs TCU (ov/un 58.5) Jan 1 5:10 ET, ESPN

[Gatorubet]

You are...or rather the perception is coming out of someone's ass if not yours. There are arguably more teams running the spread in the Big Ten than any other major conference.

The real problem is that fans are generally idiots and have no idea what they're talking about they talk about the Big Ten (or other conferences/teams more than 20 miles from their personal bit of dog patch).

And one of these days the Big-10 fans will have to address the dichotomy of how they can keep insisting that bowl game losses to Southern teams is the result of Big-10 teams being "built to play late season games in bad weather where you have to pound it out" with the "we are the same skill sets as the SEC and just as fast and similar in offensive strategy/make up."

Not saying either statement is wrong here, just saying that they seem to be incompatible.

Then agin Muck, maybe you covered that in the bold quoted portion.

 

[Muck]

And one of these days the Big-10 fans will have to address the dichotomy of how they can keep insisting that bowl game losses to Southern teams is the result of Big-10 teams being "built to play late season games in bad weather where you have to pound it out" with the "we are the same skill sets as the SEC and just as fast and similar in offensive strategy/make up."

Not saying either statement is wrong here, just saying that they seem to be incompatible.

Then agin Muck, maybe you covered that in the bold quoted portion.

Interesting that you take my general statement about college football fans & try to frame it around fans of a specific conference.

Unfortunately I have this horrible habit of looking at actual metrics.

Going into this season the Big Ten was what, 15-15 vs the SEC in BCS era bowl games?

When an SEC fan manages to start a discussion about the two conferences without it revolving around "Big Ten losses" I'll start listening to what they have to say.

 

[cjmik_75]

B10 teams that run some form of the spread offense:

Illinois
Purdue
Indiana
Penn St
Northwestern
tsun
Minnesota - even though they were more successful lining up and just pounding it...

Still doesn't prove a damn thing. SEC teams proved (in yesterday's bowl games) top to bottom they're better than the B10. What I noticed was defensively they can actually tackle *ahem* tsun...and some of these "spread" offenses were stopped and/or slowed down and MSU, tsun and PSU couldn't make key stops on defense.

All around it was the ugliest new years day I can remember for B10 football.

 

[Nicknam4]

Would TCU have an argument for a split NC? They did go undefeated....

 

[Muck]

Would TCU have an argument for a split NC? They did go undefeated....

Depends on how much ESPN thinks it would be worth to their bottom line to start pushing that storyline in an attempt to sway AP voters.

 

[cincibuck]

If Boise State and TCU and Utah and Hawaii can receive BCS bowl invitations from their Mountain-MAC conferences, then I think that Ohio State will do okay in the Big Ten.

Question: Which conference has the most BCS bowl game appearances?

Answer: The Big Ten, with 23 ... SEC has 21 ... Big XII has 18 ... Pac 10 has 16 ... ACC has 13 ... Big East has 13 ... Notre Dame has 3 ... and the non-AQ teams have 7 (Boise State 2, TCU 2, Utah 2, Hawaii 1).

In other words, the Big Ten has received an "at large" BCS bowl bid 10 times in the 13 years that the BCS has been in existence, while the mighty SEC has received only 8 at large bids, and the Big XII just 5 at large bids, and the Pac 10 a mere 3 at large bids; the Big East and the ACC have never had an at large bid.

Pretty much disposes of the "conference perception" argument, IMO....

Or it may be because the Big 10's ability to draw means that inviting them to tourist towns brings more dollars for the local economy. Tell me you couldn't see the difference between red and purple at the Rose Bowl yesterday? I'll venture that there will be many more Buckeye fans at this year's Sugar Bowl than were there to watch "Ohio's real BCS team" last year.

The South, Southwest and West don't need -- or want-- a matchup between two teams from the same region, hence the Big 10 gets paired off against SEC teams and the ACC draws Big East, Notre Dame and then lower level Big 10 teams.

 

[buckeyebri]

PSU couldn't make key stops on defense.

More so, their defense was forced to try to cleanup the mess for the poor job done by McGroin.....

The PSU vs. Florida game was as much McGroin giving the game away as it was Florida beating them.

 

[Gatorubet]

Interesting that you take my general statement about college football fans & try to frame it around fans of a specific habit..

I said nothing about Nuns.

Unfortunately I have this horrible habit of looking at the actual metrics.

Does "looking at the actual metrics" mean getting [censored]y? Smoov said the perception was something. The truth of the perception has nothing to do with the existence of the perception. No need to be [censored]y with the piggy because he mentioned a perception that is pretty much acknowledged to exist, given the band width on here addressing that perception over the years.

Going into this season the Big Ten was what, 15-15 vs the SEC in BCS era bowl games?

Not sure. My contention has always been that the SEC is better at the middle to lower tier than the big-10, but we were equal at the top tier. This year that has not been the case. But that is only one year and a trend since 1998 may be a far better method of comparing strength. But then, if the time frame gets to be too long it might lose relevance too, as what was the status in 1998 may not apply to 2011.

I do not think that the pig or myself are the ones you need to spat with, as neither of us are asserting the theories that you are rebutting.

When an SEC fan manages to start a discussion about the two conferences without it revolving around "Big Ten losses" I'll start listening to what they have to say.

You need to get that picture with the battery on Conrad's shoulder again.

 

[Gatorubet]

More so, their defense was forced to try to cleanup the mess for the poor job done by McGroin.....

The PSU vs. Florida game was as much McGroin giving the game away as it was Florida beating them.

Given our lack of a pass rush, and our starting two freshman corners, any competent QB playing for JoePa would have beaten us.

Then again, with someone other than the Dazzler as Florida's OC, we may have crushed Penn State. We both had to live with what we had.

 

[Muck]

Does "looking at the actual metrics" mean getting [censored]y? Smoov said the perception was something. The truth of the perception has nothing to do with the existence of the perception. No need to be [censored]y with the piggy because he mentioned a perception that is pretty much acknowledged to exist, given the band width on here addressing that perception over the years.

No one is getting shitty. Smoov said he might be talking out of his ass. I said that yes he could indeed be talking out of his ass.

That isn't getting shitty. That is merely granting confirmation.

I do not think that the pig or myself are the ones you need to spat with, as neither of us are asserting the theories that you are rebutting.

If there is any 'spatting' going on here it isn't coming from me.

Pointing out that the perception that the Big Ten is 'four yards and a cloud of dust' is horse shit isn't spatting.

Pointing out that college fans in general are clueless isn't spatting.

Noting your reply tried to narrow my broad generalization towards a specific group of fans isn't spatting.

 

[buckeyebri]

Given our lack of a pass rush, and our starting two freshman corners, any competent QB playing for JoePa would have beaten us.

Then again, with someone other than the Dazzler as Florida's OC, we may have crushed Penn State. We both had to live with what we had.

Exactly why I was responding to the fact that it wasn't PSU's defense missing a few tackles that cost them the game...such as it was played....

 

[BB73]

Pointing out that the perception that the Big Ten is 'four yards and a cloud of dust' is horse shit isn't spatting.

Obviously not. The Big Ten is 'Three yards and a cloud of dust".

 

[cjmik_75]

More so, their defense was forced to try to cleanup the mess for the poor job done by McGroin.....

The PSU vs. Florida game was as much McGroin giving the game away as it was Florida beating them.

The point was the Gator D outplayed the PSU D in a battle of struggling offenses.

But since you brought up McGroin...

So, 5 INT's is all on McGroin and no credit goes to the Gator D? How about converting 4-18 3rd downs?
I totally agree that McGroin should take some of the blame, as most starting QB's who play like complete dog shit should, but the Gator offense was out gained 350 to 279 and only held the ball for 27:11. That tells me the Gator D made more plays and capitalized on turnovers when they were actually on the field longer than the PSU D.

Let's recap...PSU outgains UF, PSU wins T.O.P.

UF wins turnover margain and their D makes the winning play on a potential game winning drive.

Gator D made the key plays, Kitty D did not.

 

[Gatorubet]

We both should have received "Participant" ribbons.

 

[Wells4Heisman]

put TCU up against Auburn.... see a similar outcome.