Rivalries and Conferences (Split from LSU v. OSU Offensive Personnel Thread)

[sluTiger]

You have no idea how big of a mistake you have made with this statement.

Also Michigan does view us the same way. Check the HBO special that ran this year if its is still available. In fact any fan of another team should be forced to watch it before they can even comment on "The Game".

:osu:

I love Kevin Faulk's comment about ND's stadium. "It is a wonderful looking place, but its not Tiger Stadium." GEAUX TIGERS...

 

[sandgk]

Illibuck, its status as a secondary rivalry, and the potential for resurgence in hostilities: Discuss.

Proposition:

Any college football series in which the game concludes with an exchange of a fossilized amphibian, a tarnished mug, barrel or blunted axe is not really a rivalry.

 

[rocketman]

Proposition:

Any college football series in which the game concludes with an exchange of a fossilized amphibian, a tarnished mug, barrel or blunted axe is not really a rivalry.

And even so, the Illibuck fails at even that proposition because it's exchanged DURING the f'ing game and given to the team who won it last year.

 

[rocketman]

But does Michigan have the same obsession with Ohio State that Ohio State has for Michigan?

You bet. And while you didn't intend to disrespect, comparing PSU to Ohio State is going to offend some people on here. PSU joined the Big 10 in 1993 and haven't done a whole lot since, winning the conference twice, one of those years was shared with us in 2005.

 

[Lockup]

My point is that I never realized there was a team in college football who had a fan base where the vast majority of fans were completely obsessed with just one single other team. Is Michigan like that as well? Are there any other programs that have fans like that? It really is quite a fascinating concept.

Only a scUM fan could answer how much they hate us although I suspect they hate us pretty good. Or you could ask Mike Hart :)

Unlike OSU though scUM has other rivals to point some attention too. they have ND, which personally I think is a lower type of rival because everybody hates ND and wants to beat them. They also have an in-state rival with scUM jr (Michigan St). OSU really has no other rival, which in my mind is the way it should be. We have no in-state rival and the closest thing we have to another rival is PSU but really don't hate them. This is why OSU fans can focus more hatred on a single team.

We really do hate scUM though. You really should try and watch the HBO special it really does the rivalry a lot of justice. With all the hatred of the fan bases though we really do respect each other for what each has accomplished. How could you not when you have two programs with such a rich history of winning. Put two of the largest fan bases at it too and you have a very nice and unique rivarly.

Since the game is always the last game of the regular season it makes the rivalry worse too. scUM and OSU are really the two big boys (not PSU) in the Big Ten. SO the Big Ten title and NC hopes lye on that game many times and each team has spoiled the others season many times.

Plus it is really the only rivalry I am aware of where you can be a very good coach (see Cooper) and end up getting kicked to the curb soley based on an inabilty to beat the other team.

It is also one of the few rivalries pretty much everybdoy knows about. Some of the ones mentioned here I did not even know they were rivals. You would be hard pressed to find somebody that did not know OSU and scUM were rivals though.

 

[muffler dragon]

Proposition:

Any college football series in which the game concludes with an exchange of a fossilized amphibian, a tarnished mug, barrel or blunted axe is not really a rivalry.

I'll second. Move to a vote. All in favor say, "Ay".

 

[JohnLSU]

You have no idea how big of a mistake you have made with this statement.

Well, I'd put the "Big House" a small step above "The House That Rockne Built" After all, ND's stadium is just a small scale replica of Michigan's stadium (which is another reason I love the ND vs. Michigan rivalry). As a side note, I found out recently that Nebraska's stadium was built to look like Ohio State's stadium.

But ND stadium is pretty amazing. Some of my favorite things about ND's stadium:

-It didn't have lights until recent years, and whenever they were forced to have a night game for TV purposes, they had to bring it portable light trucks to light the field.

-Touchdown Jesus. I'll never forget the "Snow Bowl" between ND and Penn State when ND won the game on the unbelievable play in the final seconds of the game. It made me believe Touchdown Jesus was real.

-The traditional markings on the field. ND's field doesn't have a logo in the middle of the field like other teams, and ND's field doesn't have painted end zones or the team's name written there. Instead, ND's field is just a very plain, simple field. In the end zone, they only have diagonal white lines. It reminds you of the tradition of all the great players in ND's history that have played on that same field (Joe Montana, Joe Theismann, Steve Beuerlein, Tim Brown, Jerome Bettis, "Rocket" Ismail, the Four Horsemen, "The Gipper," etc).

 

[jwinslow]

I like the ND field a lot better than UM's.

The Big House is a very historical locale. It's also incredibly quiet for it's size, thanks to alumni sitting on their hands and other examples of quiet, such as the moronic 'key play' tradition. You'd think such a sign would inspire cheering (on 3rd downs and such), but instead it causes the student section to jingle their keys mostly with mouths closed.

I didn't truly realize what a "rivalry" could be until I got involved here at Buckeye Planet. Like I wrote earlier in this thread, this website is practically an "I hate Michigan" website. It's insane. Is there any one here that is involved on a Michigan football discussion forum? Are Michigan fans there just as obsessed about Ohio State as Ohio State fans here are with Michigan?

In general, the OSU fanbase is a bit more rabid and passionate than those up north, which is evident at any home game. The cooper years also allowed UM fans to have fewer reasons to hate OSU, since they were owned so badly in that period. However, it's been very interesting watching their rabid hatred foam over at the mouth during the Tressel era.

 

[Jaxbuck]

-It didn't have lights until recent years, and whenever they were forced to have a night game for TV purposes, they had to bring it portable light trucks to light the field.

Ohio Stadium has no lights, ours are trucked in as well.

-Touchdown Jesus. I'll never forget the "Snow Bowl" between ND and Penn State when ND won the game on the unbelievable play in the final seconds of the game. It made me believe Touchdown Jesus was real.

The real "Snow Bowl" was played in 1950.

-The traditional markings on the field. ND's field doesn't have a logo in the middle of the field like other teams, and ND's field doesn't have painted end zones or the team's name written there. Instead, ND's field is just a very plain, simple field. In the end zone, they only have diagonal white lines....

I'd be willing to bet a lot of ND offensive players don't know that.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Question for BKB: If I want to post in this thread, how much is the rent? Also, do you own any other threads, or just this one?

 

[Lockup]

It is important to point out that it is 11:50 A.M and Michigan still sucks!

 

[AKAK]

Well, I'd put the "Big House" a small step above "The House That Rockne Built" After all, ND's stadium is just a small scale replica of Michigan's stadium (which is another reason I love the ND vs. Michigan rivalry). As a side note, I found out recently that Nebraska's stadium was built to look like Ohio State's stadium.

But ND stadium is pretty amazing. Some of my favorite things about ND's stadium:

-It didn't have lights until recent years, and whenever they were forced to have a night game for TV purposes, they had to bring it portable light trucks to light the field.

-Touchdown Jesus. I'll never forget the "Snow Bowl" between ND and Penn State when ND won the game on the unbelievable play in the final seconds of the game. It made me believe Touchdown Jesus was real.

-The traditional markings on the field. ND's field doesn't have a logo in the middle of the field like other teams, and ND's field doesn't have painted end zones or the team's name written there. Instead, ND's field is just a very plain, simple field. In the end zone, they only have diagonal white lines. It reminds you of the tradition of all the great players in ND's history that have played on that same field (Joe Montana, Joe Theismann, Steve Beuerlein, Tim Brown, Jerome Bettis, "Rocket" Ismail, the Four Horsemen, "The Gipper," etc).

Was wondering to myself... they have those "Drive thru Daquiri" places in 'nola, right? Do they have Orange Cream Maragarita's?

 

[JohnLSU]

Check the HBO special that ran this year if its is still available. In fact any fan of another team should be forced to watch it before they can even comment on "The Game".

Yes, but I could say that every Ohio State fan should be forced to watch an HBO special on the Michigan vs. ND rivalry. Sure, "The Game" is great enough to have books written about. For example, a 288-page book published in 2005 titled, The 100-Yard War: Inside the 100-Year-Old Michigan-Ohio State Football Rivalry.

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But there are also books about the Michigan vs. ND rivalry, such as a 319-book published this year titled, Natural Enemies: Major College Football's Oldest, Fiercest Rivalry-Michigan vs. Notre Dame (2007), 319 pages

1991 -- Desmond Howard's incredible catch on 4th down in the 4th quarter vs. Notre Dame. Many are convinced that it was this play that won Howard the Heisman Trophy.

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For seven straight seasons from 1988-1994, the highly-contested battles [between Michigan and ND] were decided by 28 points - that's just four points per game. Many came down to the final seconds - a last-second field goal, a heart-breaking kickoff return by Raghib "Rocket" Ismail. The rivalry had seen them all. "It was huge," said Desmond Howard, former Wolverine and 1991 Heisman Trophy Winner. "The rivalry was as big as Michigan-Ohio State rivalry. I mean, you have two major universities whose athletic programs are so highly respected, and you have a Bo Schembechler going in there against Lou Holtz - two living legends as far as coaches. That in of itself makes it a helluva rivalry." ... "When games come down to final minutes or final seconds, those are the grudge matches that fans remember and they can't wait till next year to revenge that loss."

"Everybody that loves college football will watch, want to watch [Notre Dame vs Michigan] or want to know what the score is," Michigan coach Lloyd Carr said.

I mean look at plays like this one from the 1979 game, when a ND linebacker actually jumps on the back of his own player to block Michigan's attempt at the game-winning FG in the final seconds -- [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXzKIvWFbGA"]YouTube - 1979 Notre Dame vs. Michigan - Bob Crable FG block[/ame]

My point is not that the Michigan v. ND rivalry is as great as the Michigan vs. Ohio State rivalry, but it's still one of the best rivalries in the country.
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[Gatorubet]

Was wondering to myself... they have those "Drive thru Daquiri" places in 'nola, right? Do they have Orange Cream Maragarita's?

It depends Akak...we're very discriminating.

You have to have money, or we won't sell you drinks.

Orange creme margaritas? Is Phil Fulmer in town?

 

[JohnLSU]

UM fans ... have fewer reasons to hate OSU ... However, it's been very interesting watching their rabid hatred foam over at the mouth during the Tressel era.

I agree with that. During the Tressel era, Ohio State has owned Michigan. During the Tressel era, Ohio State has emerged as not only the best team in the Big Ten, but also the best team in the entire Midwest. I'd imagine Michigan fans are starting to now feel the jealousy that Ohio State fans have long held for Michigan.