Rivalries and Conferences (Split from LSU v. OSU Offensive Personnel Thread)

[NFBuck]

Any updates on Barksdale?

 

[muffler dragon]

to buckeyeskickbuttocks(one day i will learn how to do the quote thingy)

I understand about the huge fanbases dispersed creating a somewhat national appeal, but that is still osu and michigan alumni, not native's of those particular areas. And that is still a very minute part of the population in a lot of areas.

This time last year I was at a Wal-Mart here in Salem, OR. I ran into a kid fully decked out in tOSU gear. I asked him what city his family was from. His grandmother walked up and told me that he was from Oregon and just loved everything about tOSU football. He was 12.

I'm Ohio-born; he wasn't.

 

[ray6072]

This time last year I was at a Wal-Mart here in Salem, OR. I ran into a kid fully decked out in tOSU gear. I asked him what city his family was from. His grandmother walked up and told me that he was from Oregon and just loved everything about tOSU football. He was 12.

I'm Ohio-born; he wasn't.

Your right, I should have said very minute part of populace in general, but that is same for every school. Most are still going to be transplanted though; or, at least, i think they would.

Well, think about this:

You've got a legit undergrad degree in engineering. That's awesome. Think about going to LSU and getting your MBA or JD.

The MBA is a huge plus when you have an engineering undergrad. With an undergrad in engineering with an MBA, you will be in high demand and you with be making $100K in no time.

And as for the JD, with your engineering undergrad degree, you (along with those with undergrad degrees in pure science) are the only people eligible to take the Patent Bar and become federal patent attorneys. That's a high demand field that makes major bucks (mininum $100K).

But the best part, is that you will actually get to experience LSU as an LSU student. As much as I love college football, and as much as I love LSU, it will never be the same to me as those days back when I was an actual LSU student.

And as for your Dad, I hope he's doing better nowadays.

I actually thought about it when i was in college, took most of the classes to get minor in business but like two in case i wanted to get mba, but never did. I actually looked into it after i graduated but haven't thought about that in a few years...never thought about trying to do it at LSU...hmm

If i did go back it'd probably be for something else though, engineering bores the crap out of me. Not saying anything derogatory about the profession, just bores me.

This has got to be almost on topic--talking bout rival Louisiana schools lol

edit---hmm, apparently you can't do that quote thing by hand, or i just did not do it right lol

 

[sandgk]

Anyway, the rivalry. I didn't bother reading the whole thread, but there aren't seriously people who claim LSU-Auburn is on the same level as Michigan-Ohio State, are there?

I present exhibit number one of well actually several such posts --

If you ask an Auburn fan which team they need to beat to win the west they would say LSU. And they hate when they lose to us because they know that they just lost the West at that point. They hate Bama for sure, but Bama has been irrelevant for a while now and I'm not takin anything away from the Iron Bowl because I believe it is up there, the SEC West is decided before then in the LSU-Auburn game. We have quite a few memorable games in our series and we won't ever overtake their in-state rival because Bama will always be there.
Before you decide to bash the SEC, try reading about the Earthquake game, the Barn-burning game, the "Upright game", and the last few games.

Four simple points for you -
First vBulletin never forgets, nowhere in what I wrote was there a single instance of bashing the SEC.
Second, the issue I presented was whether both competing teams mutually view a game between the two schools as a rivalry. For TSUN vs. tOSU that is true.
For tOSU vs. Penn State that is not true - and, I contend that from the viewpoint of Auburn fans and alumni that they do not view LSU-Auburn as a rivalry game, which status they certainly accord to the Iron Bowl, as do 'Bama fans and alumni.
Thirdly, having a must win game in the SEC West does not make that game a rivalry game. Important yes, essential to a good season, yes, rivalry - see point two in my short list. (Which essential and important status BTW also accords to tOSU vs. Wisconsin or tOSU vs. Penn State - but they are not ever rivalry games.
Fourth, duration of 'Bama's problems (slide away from top tier) is not relevant to a discussion of the importance of a rivalry. Army-Navy for instance is viewed as a huge game by both service academies. Neither team has been relevant to top tier football discussions for decades.

Finally, because you somehow took what I wrote to mean that I was "bashing the SEC" :crazy:I present the original post that got your knickers in a twist. Explain how you can reasonably take the statement I made about LSU-Auburn compared to Auburn-Alabama as any kind of knock on the SEC.

If you ask an Auburn fan or alum to name their big rival game the school that is named is Alabama - not LSU.

Even though Michigan is in yearly games against MSU and ND, they too will say that OSU is The Game - period.

So, I have to ask, is all this talk of LSU - Auburn a tad one sided? Akin, if you will to, the way that Penn State claims their yearly tilt against the Buckeyes as a rivalry - though for LSU-Auburn clearly of much longer duration.

 

[Steve19]

Any updates on Barksdale?

I heard that his boxing lessons are going well. He's learning to block.

 

[LSUTyga73]

I present exhibit number one of well actually several such posts --

Care to show me anywhere in that statement where I said LSU-Auburn was bigger than OSU-UM? I'll be waiting....And actually I said that the Iron Bowl was up there with OSU-UM so I don't know where you get this idea that I don't respect that rivalry. You're trying to pull things that aren't there from what I am saying.

Four simple points for you -
First vBulletin never forgets, nowhere in what I wrote was there a single instance of bashing the SEC.
Second, the issue I presented was whether both competing teams mutually view a game between the two schools as a rivalry. For TSUN vs. tOSU that is true.
For tOSU vs. Penn State that is not true - and, I contend that from the viewpoint of Auburn fans and alumni that they do not view LSU-Auburn as a rivalry game, which status they certainly accord to the Iron Bowl, as do 'Bama fans and alumni.
Thirdly, having a must win game in the SEC West does not make that game a rivalry game. Important yes, essential to a good season, yes, rivalry - see point two in my short list. (Which essential and important status BTW also accords to tOSU vs. Wisconsin or tOSU vs. Penn State - but they are not ever rivalry games.
Fourth, duration of 'Bama's problems (slide away from top tier) is not relevant to a discussion of the importance of a rivalry. Army-Navy for instance is viewed as a huge game by both service academies. Neither team has been relevant to top tier football discussions for decades.

Finally, because you somehow took what I wrote to mean that I was "bashing the SEC" :crazy:I present the original post that got your knickers in a twist. Explain how you can reasonably take the statement I made about LSU-Auburn compared to Auburn-Alabama as any kind of knock on the SEC.

Another thing, do you know a lot of Auburn fans? Do you know the general consensus of Auburn "nation"? Unless you live in Auburn, Alabama or have actually played them recently I don't know how you would know that. I talked to a lot of Auburn tailgating at this past years game and there is definitely a mutual hate between us. Granted, they reserve the majority of their hate for Bama but like I said before Bama is irrelevant now and hasn't beaten Auburn in what ...7 years?
And about the SEC Bashing, maybe that wasn't best phrase to use but it certainly wasn't meant to be directed towards you.
If Auburn wasn't a rivalry, then I guess Coach Tubby didn't have any reason to light up cigars after the game in 1999 in our home stadium. Or to stomp on the eye of the tiger...or to start a fight with our band .

 

[shetuck]

... I talked to a lot of Auburn tailgating at this past years game and there is definitely a mutual hate between us. Granted, they reserve the majority of their hate for Bama ...

so how did things work out for you, personally? i kinda feel like you left us hangin'...

 

[Ttown]

LSU people come to a rival's board to discuss which University in Louisiana is better. Amazing.

:2004:

That is arranged thru the charitable BP foundation which allows for the love and care we always share on those less fortunate than ourselves.

 

[sandgk]

Apparently you fail to grasp the internal contradiction of what you originally wrote ....

that you wouldn't take anything away from Auburn-'Bama ... yet immediately precede that by saying that 'Bama has been irrelevant for a while now.

Care to show me anywhere in that statement where I said LSU-Auburn was bigger than OSU-UM?

You tried to place greater emphasis on the LSU-Auburn game than the Auburn-'Bama game through the double-speaking you used.

I'll be waiting....

Wait no longer - just read what you wrote, critically, you try to have you cake and eat too. Elevating LSU-Auburn as a must win versus Auburn-'Bama, a long standing and traditional rivalry.

And actually I said that the Iron Bowl was up there with OSU-UM so I don't know where you get this idea that I don't respect that rivalry.

Didn't say you did - but the fact that you claim such is delicious irony.

You're trying to pull things that aren't there from what I am saying.

Nope - just taking exactly what you wrote and interpreting the same literally.

Another thing, do you know a lot of Auburn fans? Do you know the general consensus of Auburn "nation"? Unless you live in Auburn, Alabama or have actually played them recently I don't know how you would know that. I talked to a lot of Auburn tailgating at this past years game and there is definitely a mutual hate between us. Granted, they reserve the majority of their hate for Bama but like I said before Bama is irrelevant now and hasn't beaten Auburn in what ...7 years?

[sarcasm]Of course, it is absolutely impossible for someone living in Ohio to comprehend anything about Southern football. We are completely closed off from the rest of the US, never travel, not once in our lives do we ever get to see Auburn or 'Bama alums. No friends and family live anywhere South of the Mason-Dixon line, and Auburn fans and alums are prohibited from taking jobs in cold weather states.[/sarcasm]

And about the SEC Bashing, maybe that wasn't best phrase to use but it certainly wasn't meant to be directed towards you.

What other nonsense.

 

[JohnLSU]

They presume too much by thinking we are their big rivals. Maybe to younger Gators ignorant of their heritage, but to older Gators, and especially those who came of age in the 70s and 80s, there is no question who the Dark Forces are - they lie in the mange infested land of the flea ridden butt sniffing leg humpers. And thus it shall be forever.

Here's a thread from gatorcountry.com titled "Who do you consider our Biggest Rival to be?" The Florida die-hards on there are split between whether it is Georgia or Florida State.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

They presume too much by thinking we are their big rivals. Maybe to younger Gators ignorant of their heritage, but to older Gators, and especially those who came of age in the 70s and 80s, there is no question who the Dark Forces are - they lie in the mange infested land of the flea ridden butt sniffing leg humpers. And thus it shall be forever.

Can a brother get an "Amen"?

 

[rocketman]

Any updates on Barksdale?

Hey, we can legitimately ask that question now!

So... uh... LSU fans... What's Joe been up to these days?

 

[LSUTyga73]

Apparently you fail to grasp the internal contradiction of what you originally wrote ....

that you wouldn't take anything away from Auburn-'Bama ... yet immediately precede that by saying that 'Bama has been irrelevant for a while now.

Ok...Just because Bama is irrelevant doesn't mean the Iron Bowl still isn't one of the best rivalries out there. If Michigan went 6-6 the past few years, wouldn't you agree that it would still be a big rivalry? And I didn't mention OSU-UM at all in my statement so I don't know why you keep keep bringing it up...

You tried to place greater emphasis on the LSU-Auburn game than the Auburn-'Bama game through the double-speaking you used.

No double-speak here buddy. LSU-Auburn is more relevant now, as I stated earlier.

Wait no longer - just read what you wrote, critically, you try to have you cake and eat too. Elevating LSU-Auburn as a must win versus Auburn-'Bama, a long standing and traditional rivalry.

LSU-Auburn is a must win if you wanna have the opportunity to win the SEC. If Auburn wants to live in mediocrity, by all means they can. But unless Bama becomes relevant, LSU-Auburn is the most exciting and most meaningful rivalry for them. Ask a true Auburn fan if they would rather beat a top 5 LSU team and win the west, or a 6-5 Bama team year in year out.

Nope - just taking exactly what you wrote and interpreting the same literally.

Well, I didn't mention OSU-UM, and I didn't say LSU-Auburn was a bigger rivalry than the Iron Bowl.

[sarcasm]Of course, it is absolutely impossible for someone living in Ohio to comprehend anything about Southern football. We are completely closed off from the rest of the US, never travel, not once in our lives do we ever get to see Auburn or 'Bama alums. No friends and family live anywhere South of the Mason-Dixon line, and Auburn fans and alums are prohibited from taking jobs in cold weather states.[/sarcasm]

Funny stuff :).

What other nonsense.

Ok well if you don't believe then that's fine. I just happened to put a couple thoughts directed to different posts into one post that just happened to quote yours. Nothing personal, really.
I really don't blame you if you don't understand the SEC rivalries because truthfully, ESPN doesn't generally pump them because most of the SEC games are on CBS with a maybe couple on ESPN and ESPN2.

 

[LSUTyga73]

so how did things work out for you, personally? i kinda feel like you left us hangin'...

Let's just say I am very happy that we won the game

 

[martinss01]

Do you really think Illinois had less talent? Juice looked like he ran your defense all over the field. I am not sure you can say that Illinois had significant drop off in talent. Honest, why did Wells get only 20 touches in that game?

starting tb beanie wells got hurt
backup tb mo wells got hurt
starting cb donald washington got hurt
already down 2 dlinemen if im remembering correctly
same officiating crew who are currently being investigated for links to gambling officiated the game
the week before the scum game

there are a lot of factors from that game that one might consider when judging the final score.

I'm with those who believe that rivalries are a regional thing. Around here, I hate Auburn. That is a big rivalry for us, especially in the last ten years. Huge, but ESPN has decided it is just another game, so y'all really don't hear about it, but that is the team i want to beat most every year. Alabama is gaining rather quickly howver; we're getting ready to play in the ncg and they are still trashtalking. lol

To me, people asking you about OSU-Michigan is college football fans knowing you are a fan and wanting to talk about their sport, just as if i were kin to a usc fan(lord forbid) and I asked him about ucla, or he asked me about florida or Auburn. It is all in fun, we would know each other are fans, so of course we would talk about our favorite teams.

this is why we laugh when lsu fans claim they have rivalrie(s) as big as tOSU vrs. scum. you don't even know who your rival is. or, your rival is largely determined by who beat you last year or who will be your biggest challenge this year. you pick two good teams who are going to play each other and dub them "rivals". it doesn't work that way.

penn state fans keep trying to name tOSU as their rivals. sure, they have played some very tough physical games against us that went a long way to determining who won the big 10 and the record from our meetings is pretty even. one might even try to argue that wisky dancing on block O and being the only big 10 team with a winning record vrs. tressel could be a "rival". but the reality is neither of these teams are even in the same universe as scum when it comes to our rivals. not even slightly close and never ever will be.

calling rivalries regional is too easy. its not really about a region, though that does certainly play into it. its about identity. its about culture. its about who you are whether your a football fan or not.

ask yourself this. if i were to ask you "what is a successful season for LSU". what would be your answer? now, what do you think the answer would be if i asked 10 other LSU fans? is it winning a nc? how about winning the sec crown?

i guarantee you that if you asked ANYONE football fan or no in the state of ohio what a successful season would be for the buckeyes you would get one answer. "beat michigan". period. thats the season. there is no bigger game and there never will be. not our upcoming game with you. not our game last year against florida. not our game against miami in 02/03. not usc next year. "the game" goes so far beyond history or tradition or winning % or who goes to what bowl game. 1 saturday every year matters. the rest are icing on the cake.