Rich Rodriguez (official thread of last laughs)

[MaxBuck]

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Lukewarm on Rodriguez? Desmond Howard sad U-M didn't hire a Michigan Man
Proof reading opening line: optional :p

I simply cannot believe that the witling Desmond Howard has said two separate things that make sense. Cats sleeping with dogs, etc. etc.

 

[HailToMichigan]

Dude, get real.

"Dude, get real."??? That's the crushing unimpeachable argument that is supposed to show me the error of my ways? "Dude, get real"?

When you are concerned something hasn't happened, that means you want it to happen. When Christian Wilson is concerned that Rich Rodriguez hasn't called him, that means he wants him to call. It's that simple.

What's the premise here anyway? That Christian Wilson doesn't trust Rodriguez? That's what it sounds like. OK, assume for a minute that's true. Maybe Wilson's read all the stuff going and come to the conclusion he can't trust RR. Why, then, would he want to hear from him at all? Why would he even consider going somewhere, where he 100% doesn't trust the coach?

Continue in that vein a bit. The original original argument is that RR's sleeeeeeziness is going to hurt recruiting, and that recruits are backing away or will do so in the future. So....

Here's the full list of recruits that have decommitted since RR was hired, or may still do so in the future:

Christian Wilson

Here's the full list of recruits that trust the man enough to play for him for (hopefully) four years:

Dann O'Neill
Darryl Stonum
Brandon Moore
J.B. Fitzgerald
Marcus Witherspoon
Mike Martin
Sam McGuffie
Boubacar Cissoko
Kenny Demens
Kurt Wermers
Elliott Mealer
Mike Cox
Taylor Hill
Brandon Smith
Kevin Koger
Rocko Khoury
George Morales

Is it so hard to see why I'm not at all pessimistic about RR hurting the recruiting? Lost in all this is the fact that Michigan's had near-unprecedented success holding the recruiting class together - it's rare, when a coaching change happens, that you don't lose several recruits. Especially with such a drastic system change. Check out Nebraska - the list of ex-Husker recruits is staggering. One - only one - recruit has decommitted from Michigan (Weinke) and he did so before Rodriguez was hired. Just today, Witherspoon, one of the shakiest verbals, reaffirmed his commitment.

Seriously, HTM, I think much of this thread is overboard, but I'm not sure defending your school means reaching quite so far... the defense seems to be trying a little too hard.

The defense is outnumbered. Just replacing numbers with effort is all

One note on CleveBucks' list: I'll wait to pass judgment for a few more years; the '04 and '03 classes you list under RR were still Don Nehlen's recruits. Looking at three year's of RR's recruits and the last three year's of Nehlen's, RR has total 4, first day 2, and Nehlen has total 7, first day 3, which is still advantage Nehlen but not quite as overwhelming.

 

[OCBucksFan]

It's 6:45 PM Pacific Standard time and Michigan still sucks.

 

[brutus2002]

I was thinking about Pryor's recruitment. Then I thought about Batch being a QB for the Steelers. It just so happens that a WR that played for OSU is on the steelers...Santonio Holms. Holms may be the biggest deciding factor in this whole shooting match. I'm sure Batch and Holms have talked about Terrelle. I'm sure Holms explained why he left south florida to play in Columbus. I haven't heard anyone bring this up but I think its logical and a conversation between batch and Holms has probably occured.

Batch cannot ask any former Michigan players about RR because he has never coached a player from there in the league...something to think about.

We will see how Michigan does down the stretch...IMO there will be some defections. I mean when Michigan is getting beat out bt UC thats pretty bad.

 

[NFBuck]

Holms may be the biggest deciding factor in this whole shooting match.

I understand your sentiment and some people's needs to find any kind of advantage here, but Santonio isn't going to play that big a factor, and certainly not the "biggest deciding factor" in the situation. Either way, this isn't really the thread to be talking about it.

 

[brutus2002]

Well I see your point but when I want an opinion about someone I ask somebody they have went to school or worked with. That person can give you alot of information about things you noticed or things you didn't know already. Outside of the coaches involved themselves...Holms may be a huge factor.

 

[buckiprof]

When you are concerned something hasn't happened, that means you want it to happen. When Christian Wilson is concerned that Rich Rodriguez hasn't called him, that means he wants him to call. It's that simple.

So when Wilson says, and I quote, "It's just the fact of believing him." that means that finds RR to be unbelievable. It's that simple, right?

 

[SNIPER26]

I was thinking about Pryor's recruitment. Then I thought about Batch being a QB for the Steelers. It just so happens that a WR that played for OSU is on the steelers...Santonio Holms. Holms may be the biggest deciding factor in this whole shooting match. I'm sure Batch and Holms have talked about Terrelle. I'm sure Holms explained why he left south florida to play in Columbus. I haven't heard anyone bring this up but I think its logical and a conversation between batch and Holms has probably occured.

Batch cannot ask any former Michigan players about RR because he has never coached a player from there in the league...something to think about.

We will see how Michigan does down the stretch...IMO there will be some defections. I mean when Michigan is getting beat out bt UC thats pretty bad.

Yeah it's not like Woods was a late offer from Michigan when Cincy had offered him much, much earlier or anything.

Oh and it's H-O-L-M-E-S.

 

[jwinslow]

Huge factors? Troy's success, NC contender, early PT, fellow recruits, etc. A convo with an OSU teammate trumps all of that? FYI, Woodley & Foote are there as well. I hope that 2x as much alma mater pimping doesn't ruin everything :susp:

Yeah it's not like Woods was a late offer from Michigan when Cincy had offered him much, much earlier or anything.

He was committed to RR at WVU.

 

[SNIPER26]

Huge factors? Troy's success, NC contender, early PT, fellow recruits, etc. A convo with an OSU teammate trumps all of that? FYI, Woodley & Foote are there as well. I hope that 2x as much alma mater pimping doesn't ruin everything :susp:He was committed to RR at WVU.

But I'm saying relatively speaking, wasn't his Cincy offer way before his UM offer?

 

[Bleed S & G]

"Dude, get real."??? That's the crushing unimpeachable argument that is supposed to show me the error of my ways? "Dude, get real"?

The arguments that have already shown the 'error of your ways' fill up the previous 89 pages..

In fact, I pointed out a few flaws in your logic and they went unanswered.. and the "dude, get real" is inresponse to you responding to part of a quote from Wilson while conveniently leaving out the end of the quote.

There is no point in any of us pointing out the error of your ways, because your going to keep on spewing the same shit you have and you will continue to make excuses for this newly acquired slime bag.. now scUM really does fit for UM. I'm not too happy about it as other posters have pointed out, but when I read your posts a place deep within my heart does grow warm knowing M*ch*gans coach is Rich Rodriguez.

So yeah dude, get real.

 

[Steve19]

The defense is outnumbered. Just replacing numbers with effort is all

But, HTM, the song is wearing thin, the band is out of tune, you can't hum along with this crap, and we sure as hell ain't gonna dance to it...so, why not just let it go? You made your point and we understand why you might want to see the world that way. We think you are dead wrong. Time will tell.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

But I'm saying relatively speaking, wasn't his Cincy offer way before his UM offer?

And what Jwins is saying is that he committed to your coach when he was at WVU..

 

[muffler dragon]

Well I see your point but when I want an opinion about someone I ask somebody they have went to school or worked with. That person can give you alot of information about things you noticed or things you didn't know already. Outside of the coaches involved themselves...Holms may be a huge factor.

I would consider the point you're attempting to raise as moot considering that Charlie Batch went to Eastern Michigan. It's on the opposite side of 23 from Ann Arbor. If we were to use your consideration; then there's no reason for Charlie not to give TP advice on where is a good apartment to stay while attending UM.

 

[jwinslow]

Stadium & Main

I've been conversing (via EXBox) with a WVU fan. Here's his take on Rodriguez. I think this is pretty insightful and by no means intended to sling mud. Here it is:

"Don't get me wrong, Rod is a very good coach and will work morning till night. He will recruit speed and mobile linemen but boy is he hard to be around. We had a gentleman in Don Nehlen. Rod on the other hand will utilize every four letter word during football practice. Think of Bobby Knight times two. No doubt the WV administration and Rod were at odds with each other. I know how it looks to those outside of WV but from all that I am hearing from locals and former players, Rod and his agent really stretched the limits of their roles. If they would have gotten their way, Rod would have been controlling every aspect of the athletic department which isn't a good thing to give a football coach. Bottom line, Rod was getting too close to the boosters and his agent Mike Brown was making too many demands. WV had to make a hard decision, and they did. Thus the divorce.

Barwis is great hire for you guys. Can't say enough good about him. Keep Rod focused on football and his agent at bay and Michigan will dominate the Big Ten and eventually win another NC. But, if the Michigan Athletic Department doesn't lay the law down early and keep the outside distractions at bay, all bets are off."