Rich Rodriguez (official thread of last laughs)

[brutus2002]

His best bet is to bring some of his stanford verbals with him, like his stud LBs (particularly Vaughters). Most of the midwest is already locked up.

The question is how many current commits decommit knowing the offense will chnage...maybe not completely but slowly. The spread type players will decommit if they are smart.

Then Harbaugh has to gamble going after guys he got at Stanford or go after guys Michigan has offers out too. Probably trying some of both.

Another thing to consider is will Harbaugh tell some spread type players and undersized OL that have committed...no thank you.

How many transfers will there be. I would imagine a large number of the runningbacks/slot receivers will bolt if they are smart. I could also see alot of defenders leave because they will be going back to a 4-3.

My guess would be that Harbaugh comes in and tries to get as many guys that would fit his system that they have committed and who they have on the table...maybe steal a few from Stanford. All in all it will be a wasted recruiting season...exactly what they cannot afford.

 

[BB73]

Could be a combination of the $$ in combo with the fact that there's not really a recruiting class to save. Even if it is Harbaugh, he's not going to pull some magic and bring in top flight talent this late into the recruiting process.

Option 1) Fire RichRod after the Ohio State game, pay him the full buyout, bring in Coach X and get X or someone else coach the bowl. Suckitude of the recruiting class remains for this year. Coach X starts on next recruiting cycle.

Option 2) Fire RichRod after the bowl game, pay him half, bring in Coach X for next years recruiting. Suckitude of the recruiting class remains for this year. Coach X starts on next recruiting cycle.

Either way, recruiting class still leaves a lot to be desired and the Coach wouldn't coach the bowl game anyway. Maybe Brandon is hoping the team goes out and wins one for the Richer.

or

Option 3) Rich Rod is retained and hilarity continues.

His contract specifies that RichRod must receive 30 days written notice before he's terminated. If he's fired due to breaking NCAA rules and/or other language in his contract, they don't need to pay him any buyout. His buyout in $4 million now, and $2.5 million starting in 2011.

Florida and Miami have already hired head coaches that aren't involved in bowl games with their former school, so their new head coaches are already recruiting full-time. By waiting, Brandon is making it more difficult for a coach hired in January to get a decent 2011 class.

If I were TSUN's AD, I would have given RichRod the 30 days notice on December 3rd, with the termination effective on Jan 2nd, the day after the bowl game. That would have made RichRod a lame duck who would only be due the $2.5 million, and TSUN could have already hired the new coach.

Not doing that only seems to make sense if Brandon thinks he has Harbaugh ready to jump, and they've agreed to make nothing public until after Stanford's Orange Bowl, which is January 3rd.

But that's all just me reading tea leaves, and assuming that Brandon's using most of his brain.

 

[cincibuck]

How would you keep that secret? It's too big of a story in two media centers. I honestly feel that if we were going to see a change in AA we would already know about it.

 

[Zippercat]

The question is how many current commits decommit knowing the offense will chnage...maybe not completely but slowly. The spread type players will decommit if they are smart.

Then Harbaugh has to gamble going after guys he got at Stanford or go after guys Michigan has offers out too. Probably trying some of both.

Another thing to consider is will Harbaugh tell some spread type players and undersized OL that have committed...no thank you.

How many transfers will there be. I would imagine a large number of the runningbacks/slot receivers will bolt if they are smart. I could also see alot of defenders leave because they will be going back to a 4-3.

My guess would be that Harbaugh comes in and tries to get as many guys that would fit his system that they have committed and who they have on the table...maybe steal a few from Stanford. All in all it will be a wasted recruiting season...exactly what they cannot afford.

Wouldn't decommits and transfers, in the long run, benefit a new coach? It seems to be consensus around BP that very few of the current scUM players and verbal commits are good enough to support a winning program. Losing a bunch of them would open up more scholarships for players that, presumably, have more talent and are guys the new coach wants. IF the new coach can get enough higher talent commits for 2012, plus perhaps a few JUCO transfers, they can use up those slots pretty fast.

 

[BB73]

How would you keep that secret? It's too big of a story in two media centers. I honestly feel that if we were going to see a change in AA we would already know about it.

I don't think he's already given him the 30-day notice - I was just saying that's what I would've done if I were the TSUN AD. That is, if I were the TSUN AD, and not intentionally trying to keep alive the hiring traditions of Bill Martin. :tongue2:

As far as having Harbaugh lined up, that type of thing can be accomplished by only talking to his agent, thus allowing for future BS statements that they never contacted Harbaugh until after the bowl games, and that Brandon waited until after the full season to evaluate RichRod and make his decision, since that's what he said he'd do.

 

[ShakerBuck]

The question is how many current commits decommit knowing the offense will chnage.

Dee Hart

 

[brutus2002]

Wouldn't decommits and transfers, in the long run, benefit a new coach? It seems to be consensus around BP that very few of the current scUM players and verbal commits are good enough to support a winning program. Losing a bunch of them would open up more scholarships for players that, presumably, have more talent and are guys the new coach wants. IF the new coach can get enough higher talent commits for 2012, plus perhaps a few JUCO transfers, they can use up those slots pretty fast.

How have recent decommits benefitted them lately? The lack of depth at Michigan is partially due to tranfers. Starting walk-ons like Kovacs is a nice story but it highlights lack of depth.

That logic is what most Michigan fans that have no freakin clue use...Well is these 5 guys transfer then we can get these 5 recruits...doesn't work.

It also leaves a team devoid of leadership which is obvious at Michigan. When you have a team full of underclassmen every year thats not necessarily good. It also takes away roleplayers like we have at OSU. Donnie Evenge isn't the greatest DB you will ever see but he flies downfield on special teams like a demon...you need these type of roleplayers on your teazm.

Heck right now they have alot of room in this class...if they don't fill this class and have 5-10 transfers/dropouts they may only have 65 scholarship players.

 

[goblue7]

The question is how many current commits decommit knowing the offense will chnage...maybe not completely but slowly. The spread type players will decommit if they are smart.

Then Harbaugh has to gamble going after guys he got at Stanford or go after guys Michigan has offers out too. Probably trying some of both.

Another thing to consider is will Harbaugh tell some spread type players and undersized OL that have committed...no thank you.

How many transfers will there be. I would imagine a large number of the runningbacks/slot receivers will bolt if they are smart. I could also see alot of defenders leave because they will be going back to a 4-3.

My guess would be that Harbaugh comes in and tries to get as many guys that would fit his system that they have committed and who they have on the table...maybe steal a few from Stanford. All in all it will be a wasted recruiting season...exactly what they cannot afford.

If you take a look at Michigan current commit list on offense, they have guys can play in any offense.

Jack Miller, C, 6'4, 268
Jake Fisher, OT, 6'7, 275
Tony Posada, OT/OG, 6'5, 310

Not like any one of those guys have size limitations, and all were also recruited by teams that don't play the spread.

And then the RB's...

Justice Hayes, 5'11, 175
Dee Hart, 5'9, 190

That is Michigan entire offensive class right there as of 12/16/2010.

Hayes has already said that he's going to Michigan regardless of who the coach is, and there is a poster on the Scout Michigan boards that is pretty connected to Dee Hart that says that if Rodriguez is retained that Hart definitely comes to Michigan, and that if Harbaugh is hired that Dee will probably still come to Michigan.

And as far as Dee Hart is concerned, IMO he can play in any offense. I saw him live in person a couple of times this year just out of curiosity, I only live about 40 mins away, and he's a pretty solidly built kid, every bit of his listed height weight. He'll play at close to or even 200 pounds. He's not a 5'6, 169 pound Vincent Smith. Hart is bigger, quicker, stronger, and faster.

I think a Harbaugh hire would actually give us a boost in recruiting, especially in 2012, and simply because he's the hottest name in coaching right now.

 

[goblue7]

His best bet is to bring some of his stanford verbals with him, like his stud LBs (particularly Vaughters). Most of the midwest is already locked up.

I think Michigan only has about 18 verbals or so to give. Now, things could obviously change if Harbaugh is hired and defections start to pop up, but we'll see won't we.

IMO I don't think the defections will be as heavy.

Harbaugh strikes me as a guy that isn't as hard-headed as Rodriguez. Harbaugh wouldn't blow up the Denard experiment like Rod did the Mallett expirement. When you've already got a pretty good horse already on the team, you ride him.

Rodriguez was stupid in not securing Mallett and Boren. He should've kept Loeffler the QB's coach and Soup Campell the WR's coach. If he had done that and tailored his offense around Mallett and kept Campbell he would've also kept Adrian Arrington from going pro early and at least would've had a 10% shot of keeping Mario Manningham from going pro early. Mallett is going to be a Top 10 pick, and Boren will be drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round. When you've got NFL talent already there....you keep them, not drive them off.

The Michigan fans seem to give Rich a pass for 3-9 in year 1. I certainly don't. There was enough talent there even with the defections to win 6 games, and losing to Toledo is never justifiable.

 

[brutus2002]

If you take a look at Michigan current commit list on offense, they have guys can play in any offense.

Jack Miller, C, 6'4, 268
Jake Fisher, OT, 6'7, 275
Tony Posada, OT/OG, 6'5, 310

Not like any one of those guys have size limitations, and all were also recruited by teams that don't play the spread.

And then the RB's...

Justice Hayes, 5'11, 175
Dee Hart, 5'9, 190

That is Michigan entire offensive class right there as of 12/16/2010.

Hayes has already said that he's going to Michigan regardless of who the coach is, and there is a poster on the Scout Michigan boards that is pretty connected to Dee Hart that says that if Rodriguez is retained that Hart definitely comes to Michigan, and that if Harbaugh is hired that Dee will probably still come to Michigan.

And as far as Dee Hart is concerned, IMO he can play in any offense. I saw him live in person a couple of times this year just out of curiosity, I only live about 40 mins away, and he's a pretty solidly built kid, every bit of his listed height weight. He'll play at close to or even 200 pounds. He's not a 5'6, 169 pound Vincent Smith. Hart is bigger, quicker, stronger, and faster.

I think a Harbaugh hire would actually give us a boost in recruiting, especially in 2012, and simply because he's the hottest name in coaching right now.

Your missing the point my man. What impact defender have you recruited this year? What impact kicker have you recruited this year? Sunshine you need help on defense and special team tommorow.

You don't need runningbacks or offensive players...nor slot receivers turned into DB's down the road.

your recruiting class this year is pathetic!!! Pathetic to Michigan standards.

I hope you get as many WR's, QB's, Slot's, OL, RB's, and TE's as possible...keep ignoring the defensive side and special teams.

YOU GUYS NEED IMPACT PLAYERS ON DEFENSE THAT WILL CONTRIBUTE RIGHT AWAY...I see a commit list with noone on the defensive side that can do that...then again your defense sucks so bad maybe they can.

If you think RR getting fired will not cost you current commits and mass transfers you are smoking crack. Harbaugh will be 180 compared to RR...He will rub players currently at Michigan the wrong way just like any new coach would.

Look at your 2012 schedule and tell me you see more than 5 wins...you could have the best team since 2007 and still not make a bowl with that schedule...If Harbaugh is smart he waits to take the Michigan job and lket Hoke rebuild it some and be the sacrificial lamb. It will take years to rebuild and then you have to consider the B10 will be much tougher...good luck!!!

 

[brutus2002]

I hate to tell you but of the OL you listed only Posada fits the mold of BO old style Michigan football. Harbaugh is gonna rebuild the OL if he comes to Michigan. Hes gonna want power RB's and FB's...big TE's. I agree hes smarter than RR but I'm not sure some of your current commits will fit his mold.

Also under RR 2-3 players don't make it academically...what players will it be this year?

O LET DO IT!!

 

[goblue7]

Your missing the point my man. What impact defender have you recruited this year? What impact kicker have you recruited this year? Sunshine you need help on defense and special team tommorow.

You don't need runningbacks or offensive players...nor slot receivers turned into DB's down the road.

your recruiting class this year is pathetic!!! Pathetic to Michigan standards.

I hope you get as many WR's, QB's, Slot's, OL, RB's, and TE's as possible...keep ignoring the defensive side and special teams.

YOU GUYS NEED IMPACT PLAYERS ON DEFENSE THAT WILL CONTRIBUTE RIGHT AWAY...I see a commit list with noone on the defensive side that can do that...then again your defense sucks so bad maybe they can.

If you think RR getting fired will not cost you current commits and mass transfers you are smoking crack. Harbaugh will be 180 compared to RR...He will rub players currently at Michigan the wrong way just like any new coach would.

Look at your 2012 schedule and tell me you see more than 5 wins...you could have the best team since 2007 and still not make a bowl with that schedule...If Harbaugh is smart he waits to take the Michigan job and lket Hoke rebuild it some and be the sacrificial lamb. It will take years to rebuild and then you have to consider the B10 will be much tougher...good luck!!!

Nice to see you flip-flop.

First it was "all of Michigan's offensive commits will de-commit", and when proven wrong, you now resort to telling me that I smoke crack and that we don't have any defensive recruits.

We only have 7 recruits on defense, and of the 7, I'd say 5 are actually legit Michigan level kids, Brennen Beyer, Chris Rock, Kellen Jones, Delonte Hollowell, and Dallas Crawford. Desmond Morgan and Greg Brown seem a little bit like reaches to me.

We only had about 18 schollies to give, and quite frankly we aren't going to land big-namers like Anthony Zettell, Kris Frost, Lamar Dawson, Avery Walls, Wayne Lyons, etc., etc., when none of them know who the hell will be coaching Michigan 2011.

And for the record, we have no WR's, TE's, and QB's, or slots committed.


And Harbaugh isn't married to one system or as dependent upon one player as Rodriguez. When he was at San Diego he had an athletic QB and ran some spread with Josh Johnson, and quite frankly Stanford runs more read option with Andrew Luck than we do with Denard Robinson. We don't run the read option very much, Denard isn't very good at it, we're more of a QB iso team than read option.

 

[goblue7]

I hate to tell you but of the OL you listed only Posada fits the mold of BO old style Michigan football. Harbaugh is gonna rebuild the OL if he comes to Michigan. Hes gonna want power RB's and FB's...big TE's. I agree hes smarter than RR but I'm not sure some of your current commits will fit his mold.

Also under RR 2-3 players don't make it academically...what players will it be this year?

O LET DO IT!!

Jake Fisher and Jack Miller fit a pro-style offense. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Jon Jansen came into Michigan at a similar size as Jake Fisher. Steve Hutchinson graduated here playing at 296 pounds.

Look at Stanford's recruiting class pal. They have an OL commit that is 6'5, 263, another one that is 6'4, 280, and another one that is 6'3, 275.

There are a pair of pro-style Rb's already on the roster in Stephen Hopkins and Michael Cox, and then guys like Fitzgerald Touissaint and Dee Hart can really play in any offense, although they may be more suited towards spread offenses.

There are already a pair of Pro-style TE's on the team for the 2011 season in Brandon Moore and Kevin Koger.

 

[exhawg]

If scum hired Harbaugh I wouldn't be surprised to see Tater Tot be the QB with Robinson spending most of his time at Wildcat/RB/WR. Tater would be a better bridge from DickRod to the offense that Harbaugh probably wants to run.

 

[exhawg]

Jake Fisher and Jack Miller fit a pro-style offense. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Jon Jansen came into Michigan at a similar size as Jake Fisher. Steve Hutchinson graduated here playing at 296 pounds.

Look at Stanford's recruiting class pal. They have an OL commit that is 6'5, 263, another one that is 6'4, 280, and another one that is 6'3, 275.

There are a pair of pro-style Rb's already on the roster in Stephen Hopkins and Michael Cox, and then guys like Fitzgerald Touissaint and Dee Hart can really play in any offense, although they may be more suited towards spread offenses.

There are already a pair of Pro-style TE's on the team for the 2011 season in Brandon Moore and Kevin Koger.

I was unfortunate enough to go to the scum football camp in 94 and one of their claims was that they never had a lineman over 300 lbs. I think the current ideal size for an OL is 300 to 310, but I agree that they don't need 300++++ lb guys to run the pre-DickRod scum system.