Rich Rodriguez (official thread of last laughs)

[methomps]

Recruiting sanctions are absolutely the worst blow for a program to have. They deal with the future, not the past. Do you think anyone at FSU other than Bowden gives a damn about vacating some games from a mediocre season? But I can guarantee you that they ALL care about losing scholarships over the next few years. Especially the guy who will be taking over the program in the next two seasons.

I disagree. First, by "recruiting sanction" I meant limitations on how many phone calls, visits, etc. But even with recruiting limits and scholarship restrictions, you have players you can bring in. I think any coach at the D1 level would rather go with 'B' in this scenario:

A. The better recruit who you can't polish (because of practice limits)

B.The lesser recruit (because of recruiting limits) who you can polish.

 

[jthorp24]

This is something I was thinking about when reading some of the scUM comments.

First off, there has already been allegations that the General Studies program is nothing more than a manufactured class/field of study for the athletic programs which really has no direction or true course work. Basically show up and get an A.

Second, we may have another FSU cheating scandal if the investigation gets heated up on the scUM program.

I think someone posted the "majors" of some of the scUM football players and I believe I saw mostly Kinsieology and Gen Studies. I remember years ago that the scUM team actually had real majors, like Business, Journalism, even Engineering.

RR has really lowered the bar.

Really did you just say this? Oh, I forgot RR picks majors for every player.

Last year our football team had the highest combined GPA in 40 years, yet the bar has been lowered???

I disagree. First, by "recruiting sanction" I meant limitations on how many phone calls, visits, etc. But even with recruiting limits and scholarship restrictions, you have players you can bring in. I think any coach at the D1 level would rather go with 'B' in this scenario:

A. The better recruit who you can't polish (because of practice limits)

B.The lesser recruit (because of recruiting limits) who you can polish.

I HIGHLY doubt any sanction will be handed down, there just isn't enough legit information, at least yet anyways.

 

[LightningRod]

*** there just isn't enough legit information, at least yet anyways.

Terrance Taylor is already on the record talking about 10 hour mandatory Sunday conditioning, meetings, and practices during football season. Are you claiming he is lying?

 

[Dryden]

Last year our football team had the highest combined GPA in 40 years, yet the bar has been lowered???

If your team last year didn't pull a 4.0, then they're a bunch of fucking morons.

Pssst, Harbaugh was right.

Scout.com: UMs 2008 Class Majors

Ricky Barnum - Kinesiology
Boubacar Cissoko - Kinesiology
Mike Cox - Kinesiology
Kenny Demens - Kinesiology
J.B. Fitzgerald - Kinesiology
J.T. Floyd - Kinesiology
Rocko Khoury - General Studies
Kevin Koger - Kinesiology
Mike Martin - General Studies
Elliott Mealer - Undeclared
Brandon Moore - Undeclared
Martavious Odoms - Kinesiology
Patrick Omameh - Engineering
Terrence Robinson - Kinesiology
Roy Roundtree - Kinesiology
Michael Shaw - Kinesiology
Brandon Smith - Kinesiology
Darryl Stonum - Kinesiology

Justin Feagin - Kicked off team
Taylor Hill - Transfer
Sam McGuffie - Transfer
Dann O'Neill - Transfer
Kurt Wermers - Transfer
Marcus Witherspoon - Transfer

 

[jthorp24]

Terrance Taylor is already on the record talking about 10 hour mandatory Sunday conditioning, meetings, and practices during football season. Are you claiming he is lying?

I didn't hear/see this claim. I just don't think there would be enough mandatory things on a Sunday to take up 10 hours. I think somebody (regardless of who it was) would have noticed this during the season last year. I don't think the team practices the day after game day anyways??? That's usually rest day.

Even if RR were to break the rules, 10 hours seems like such an obscure amount of time to spend on a Sunday after an exhausting Saturday game day.

It will be interesting to see what comes out of this whole situation.

 

[LightningRod]

I didn't hear/see this claim. I just don't think there would be enough mandatory things on a Sunday to take up 10 hours. I think somebody (regardless of who it was) would have noticed this during the season last year. I don't think the team practices the day after game day anyways??? That's usually rest day.

Even if RR were to break the rules, 10 hours seems like such an obscure amount of time to spend on a Sunday after an exhausting Saturday game day.

It will be interesting to see what comes out of this whole situation.

From the Free Press:

?Sundays were miserable?

The 2008 Wolverines were shocked by how much Rodriguez required on fall Sundays.

Rodriguez required his players to arrive at Schembechler Hall by noon the day after games. They would then go through a full weight-lifting session, followed by individual position meetings and a full-team meeting. Then, at night, they would hold a full practice. Often, they would not leave the practice facility until after 10 p.m.

In September 2008, three weeks into Rodriguez?s first season, senior defensive tackle Terrance Taylor talked about his previous Sunday.

?It was, like, 10 hours,? Taylor said. ?Everybody was like, ?Where were you at?? ?I was at practice all day.? My parents were still here. They were like, ?Where were you at?? I was like, ?I was at the building all day.? ?

The NCAA limit is 4 hours a day for required activities.

Is Taylor lying?

 

[Poe McKnoe]

I didn't hear/see this claim. I just don't think there would be enough mandatory things on a Sunday to take up 10 hours. I think somebody (regardless of who it was) would have noticed this during the season last year. I don't think the team practices the day after game day anyways??? That's usually rest day.

Even if RR were to break the rules, 10 hours seems like such an obscure amount of time to spend on a Sunday after an exhausting Saturday game day.

It will be interesting to see what comes out of this whole situation.

Maybe you shouldn't blindly defend RR and BARWIS!!!11!1! then. So the players that talked to the Free Press are lying? Shocking, coming from a UM fan.

Obscure or obscene?

And I'd guess sanctions come out of it. The NCAA will be happy to get USC out of the limelight and focus on Michigan.

 

[jthorp24]

From the Free Press:


Is Taylor lying?

Depends if you consider exaggerating...lying

 

[LightningRod]

Depends if you consider exaggerating...lying

What is printed in that article that would lead a person to believe that Taylor is exaggerating?

 

[LightningRod]

While you're searching, let us know if Hawthorne and Stokes are also exaggerating.

At the school?s news media day, the Free Press asked freshman Brandin Hawthorne what winter conditioning was like. Hawthorne, a linebacker from Pahokee, Fla., enrolled in January.

?It?s crazy,? said Hawthorne, who was not complaining about his coaches and was apparently unaware of the time-limit rules. ?I work out at 8. We?ll work out from, like, 8 to 10:30. We come back later, have one-on-ones, seven-on-sevens, a little passing. Then I?ll go watch a little film.?

The Free Press also asked freshman receiver Je?Ron Stokes about Michigan?s off-season program. Stokes, from Philadelphia, arrived at the Ann Arbor campus in June.

?Hooooo!? Stokes said. ?A typical week is working from 8 a.m. in the morning to 6 or 7 at night, Monday through Saturday.?

And that was starting in June?

?Yes, sir,? Stokes said. ?We do the weight room at least three times a week, and seven-on-sevens and one-on-ones. Speed and agility on the other days. Every day we have something new to get ready for the season. The coaches have done a great job of stressing the importance of getting us ready for the big season that we?re about to have.?

Stokes was not complaining. Like Hawthorne, he apparently was unaware of the rules.

 

[methomps]

It is important to caution that merely working out beyond the NCAA limits is only a violation if it is mandatory. Voluntary or player-led drills would not violate the rules.

 

[LightningRod]

There are no specific players identified with this part of the article, but push will come to shove, and this "mandatory vs. voluntary" issue will be resolved sooner rather than later.

?It was mandatory?

In the past two off-seasons, players said, the Wolverines were expected to spend two to three times more than the eight hours allowed for required workouts each week. Players are free to exceed the limit, but it must be truly voluntary.

The players said the off-season work was clearly required. Several of them said players who failed to do all the strength and conditioning were forced to come back to finish or were punished with additional work.

?It was mandatory,? one player said. ?They?d tell you it wasn?t, but it really was. If you didn?t show up, there was punishment. I just felt for the guys that did miss a workout and had to go through the personal hell they would go through.?

 

[NFBuck]

Really did you just say this? Oh, I forgot RR picks majors for every player.

Last year our football team had the highest combined GPA in 40 years, yet the bar has been lowered???


I HIGHLY doubt any sanction will be handed down, there just isn't enough legit information, at least yet anyways.

I love this excuse.

Terrance Taylor is already on the record talking about 10 hour mandatory Sunday conditioning, meetings, and practices during football season. Are you claiming he is lying?

Of course he is.

I didn't hear/see this claim. I just don't think there would be enough mandatory things on a Sunday to take up 10 hours. I think somebody (regardless of who it was) would have noticed this during the season last year. I don't think the team practices the day after game day anyways??? That's usually rest day.

Even if RR were to break the rules, 10 hours seems like such an obscure amount of time to spend on a Sunday after an exhausting Saturday game day.

It will be interesting to see what comes out of this whole situation.

Which is what makes it so heinous.

...and there absolutely are things they could be made to do. Running, lifting, scrimmages, film, etc...

Richie doesn't see like the type to take losing lightly, I could see him using Sunday to attempt to correct/learn from mistakes the day before.

As for somebody noticing...it's Sunday. Richie has his AD's legacy tied to his back, you don't think other people may look the other way. It happened when the fab five was around, who's to say it couldn't again?

Depends if you consider exaggerating...lying

Keep the blind faith. It's endearing in a sad way.

What is printed in that article that would lead a person to believe that Taylor is exaggerating?

 

[jthorp24]

There are no specific players identified with this part of the article, but push will come to shove, and this "mandatory vs. voluntary" issue will be resolved sooner rather than later.

To begin, the practices were not mandatory. This is big time college football. If you don't go to the voluntary workouts, don't expect to play. This is the same situation in high school, the pro's, hell you could even say some middle school sports.

 

[jthorp24]

I love this excuse.


Of course he is.


Which is what makes it so heinous.

...and there absolutely are things they could be made to do. Running, lifting, scrimmages, film, etc...

Richie doesn't see like the type to take losing lightly, I could see him using Sunday to attempt to correct/learn from mistakes the day before.

As for somebody noticing...it's Sunday. Richie has his AD's legacy tied to his back, you don't think other people may look the other way. It happened when the fab five was around, who's to say it couldn't again?


Keep the blind faith. It's endearing in a sad way.

So you love the excuse that high GPA's mean negative results? explain this...

And are you really going to take one man's word (Terrance Taylor) and listen to it like it's a bible verse. For all you know, he could have been pissed off about anything during that interview and exaggerated... but no, nobody ever does that.