Rich Rodriguez (official thread of last laughs)

[cincibuck]

If I were Dick Wad I'd avoid putting a lot of money into a house at Ann Arbor. With a team this divided you can't expect much success on the field, with a school so proud of its academics, with a fan base as angry as theirs has become after the last two years and with the Motor City Bowl looking to be their best hope, the Wad and Barwis will be looking for FEMA housing come December.

 

[Oh8ch]

RR's UM to do list:

1. Consecutive winning season streak.

Check

2. Consecutive bowl game streak.

Check

3. Unblemished major sanction record.

Check


Focusing on the high GPAs will also backfire for UM as it will put the spotlight squarely on a rock they want nobody to look under.

I say again, this is not about RR and his staff. It is all about the administration all the way to the president of the school. Are they willing to sell out. And sell out not for a championship - but hopes of a miracle.

 

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What kind of probation we talking about? Oh no, would we have to vacate our 3 wins from last year.
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[Oh8ch]

Just over at the UM board and I can't believe that there are folks who actually believe the signed player documents work in their favor.

If you are asking the kid whether he received money from boosters and he says no even though he did, you can plausibly deny that you were aware the kid was lying.

But if kid signs that the duration of his workout was within the rules and you actually administered the workout the signed document itself becomes an additional violation. YOU are a partner to the fraud.

And if the coaches are involved at that level and the administration backs them up ....

This can get really nasty.

And let's not forget that the rules were put in place to protect the players and that one or two of the players might have parents and that now we have the potential for legal repercussions outside of the NCAA. Unless, of course, UM has been injury free the past two seasons.

 

[buxfan4life]

Focusing on the high GPAs will also backfire for UM as it will put the spotlight squarely on a rock they want nobody to look under.

This is something I was thinking about when reading some of the scUM comments.

First off, there has already been allegations that the General Studies program is nothing more than a manufactured class/field of study for the athletic programs which really has no direction or true course work. Basically show up and get an A.

Second, we may have another FSU cheating scandal if the investigation gets heated up on the scUM program.

I think someone posted the "majors" of some of the scUM football players and I believe I saw mostly Kinsieology and Gen Studies. I remember years ago that the scUM team actually had real majors, like Business, Journalism, even Engineering.

RR has really lowered the bar.

 

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Do the service academies Army,Navy and Air Force have to follow these NCAA guidelines as well? Aren't they supposed to run a certain number of miles and exercise each day outside of what they have to do for the athletic programs?

Oh! It's suddenly so clear why Notre Dame lost to Navy! Those pesky service academy institutions have an exception to the work-out rules! Maybe if we get an "exception," we can beat Notre Dame, too!

 

[coastalbuck]

I, frankly, am amazed Espin is covering this! They must think Tressel told him to do it.

 

[ant80]

Sorry to bring this up and rain on the parade. A few months ago, maybe several months ago, I read an article in SI or in ESPiN or some other publication (I think, it was on SI) claiming that, in an interview of several players from several universities, a very high percentage of the players said that they worked above and beyond what they were allowed to by the NCAA. I tried to find the article but came up empty. If someone is able to find that and post it, I think that would be informative.

It seems that, from all the posts that I've read so far in this thread since the news broke, RR's staff went above and beyond what that interview covered.

 

[LightningRod]

Does this mean the "All In" campaign isn't going well?

 

[Jaxbuck]

Sorry to bring this up and rain on the parade. A few months ago, maybe several months ago, I read an article in SI or in ESPiN or some other publication (I think, it was on SI) claiming that, in an interview of several players from several universities, a very high percentage of the players said that they worked above and beyond what they were allowed to by the NCAA. I tried to find the article but came up empty. If someone is able to find that and post it, I think that would be informative.

It seems that, from all the posts that I've read so far in this thread since the news broke, RR's staff went above and beyond what that interview covered.

Lots of drivers exceed the speed limit. Tickets are issued to those who do so in a manner that draws the attention of law enforcement.

I think most coaching staffs understand the principles involved in the police saying "under 9 you are fine, over 9 you are mine" and keep their institutional practice speeding, so to speak, to a respectful 79mph or less in a 70 zone. Imagine if you will here a bespectacled, sweater vested older gentleman driving a Buick 76mph on the highway. No way a cop is taking the time to pull him over.

Then there is Jo Dirt in his muscle car and a "I get 20 miles to the six pack" bumper sticker doing 105 in a 70 and pulling the "I was just following traffic" excuse when he gets pulled over. Needless to say he's going to get the best the cops can throw his way, which is usually pretty bad for the Joe Dirt's of the world.

 

[JimsSweaterVest]

Lots of drivers exceed the speed limit. Tickets are issued to those who do so in a manner that draws the attention of law enforcement.

I think most coaching staffs understand the principles involved in the police saying "under 9 you are fine, over 9 you are mine" and keep their institutional practice speeding, so to speak, to a respectful 79mph or less in a 70 zone. Imagine if you will here a bespectacled, sweater vested older gentleman driving a Buick 76mph on the highway. No way a cop is taking the time to pull him over.

Then there is Jo Dirt in his muscle car and a "I get 20 miles to the six pack" bumper sticker doing 105 in a 70 and pulling the "I was just following traffic" excuse when he gets pulled over. Needless to say he's going to get the best the cops can throw his way, which is usually pretty bad for the Joe Dirt's of the world.

And if he did, I'd suffocate the sucker in a cloud of polyester dust!

 

[Oh8ch]

a very high percentage of the players said that they worked above and beyond what they were allowed to by the NCAA.

The NCAA allows you to work out 24 hours a day if you so choose. The issue is mandatory workouts. And in that sense there is a fine line.

I have noticed that whenever JT talks about 7 on 7 summer drills he is careful to say that he is going on what he has heard because neither he nor his staff are allowed to watch. That does not mean JT can't send a strong message to his players that he expects them to be there.

But what we have from AA are statements that not only did staff watch, they kept track. And that there were repercussions if players did not attend. (Difficult to prove of course, because you would have to establish that there was "punishment" and that it was not the result of something else.)

What would put RR up against the wall would be a consistent theme from multiple players. And of course those signed documents.

 

[Jaxbuck]

The NCAA allows you to work out 24 hours a day if you so choose. The issue is mandatory workouts. And in that sense there is a fine line.

I have noticed that whenever JT talks about 7 on 7 summer drills he is careful to say that he is going on what he has heard because neither he nor his staff are allowed to watch. That does not mean JT can't send a strong message to his players that he expects them to be there.

But what we have from AA are statements that not only did staff watch, they kept track. And that there were repercussions if players did not attend. (Difficult to prove of course, because you would have to establish that there was "punishment" and that it was not the result of something else.)

What would put RR up against the wall would be a consistent theme from multiple players. And of course those signed documents.

By the NCAA rules I have read a coach or staffer simply being there, taking attendance or checking up on who was there (by phone for instance) is not only a rules violation it "proves" the activities were mandatory.

I think the NCAA wanted to take the "prove it was mandatory" hair splitting out when they wrote this stuff.

 

[ant80]

Yes, and that is the only reason why I said this.

It seems that, from all the posts that I've read so far in this thread since the news broke, RR's staff went above and beyond what that interview covered.

I don't remember exactly all that the article reported, which is why I only gave a vague outline of that article. If someone can find and post that article, that might make direct comparison simpler. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find it.

On a completely different note, here's a quote from the sig of one of the scUM'mers.

The division between the Rich Rod supporters and the Rich Rod bashers/Carr supporters is amazing and has turned this place upside down.

And this is actually true. A vast majority of the posters support RR while a small minority is vehemently opposed to him. That got me curious. Was there such a division between the Bruce fans and the Cooper fans when Coop took over? I know there was the hot tub commercials, but apart from that I know nothing. All my knowledge comes from books that I read. Would be interesting to hear from those who were close to the program at that time.

edit: I'd also like to know what players under RR and Barwis at other institutions say about this incident. Hint, hint, Pat White. This article seems incomplete without that aspect.

 

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Stage one: Panic.

Stage two: Deny:

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Posted: Today 10:59 AM
Free Press article discussion thread
I locked the other one because it had grown too large and unmanageable. If you want to discuss what is an obvious smear piece by a known RichRod hater be my guest.

All I know is that we're LESS THAN A WEEK from the opening game of the season, and I'm not going to get caught up in something this ridiculous. One only has to look at the context surrounding this absurdity to realize just how much bullsh*t is being shoveled onto Michigan right now.


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