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Rich Rodriguez (official thread of last laughs)

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Best Buckeye;1138255; said:
Let's set the record straight...It's no wonder Woody is my Hero. So now the big question is, Is RR that type of man? only time will tell in the end.
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Woody was a hero to many of us and I think you captured him pretty well, BB.

All of us who grew up in that era also recognized that Woody was not perfect, he had a temper, he sometimes treated his players paternalistically, and his comments on his TV program sometimes embarrassed them. Who the hell else, besides Elvis, was willing to hug Richard Nixon back then?

Woody's most endearing and enduring images were not built around his being perfect or infallible. It was that he wore his values on his sleeve and lived by them and when he failed, you knew it was not because he had not given 100% or that he had not tried to do the best for his players. No one ever doubted that Woody Hayes loved Ohio State. The Buckeyes were his life.

I think Woody would abhor someone like RR. Woody would never have left a team before a BCS bowl or any bowl. He would never put his team over the coals by threatening to go to another team, so that he could extract a higher salary. And, if his coaching caused his team to lose, he'd take responsibility for blowing it.

Some people say that the era of a Woody Hayes has passed and that the kind of dedication he showed Ohio State belongs in a bygone era. But that would not explain why we have a coach today who says he doesn't care if he is the highest paid coach. Or who says that coaching at Ohio State is all he ever wanted and all he will ever need.

So, my answer is that I think RR already has showed us that he is no Woody Hayes. He also is not a Jim Tressel. And, I'll take either of them over RR in a heartbeat if given the chance. My bet is that most college football fans agree.
 
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Let's set the record straight. Woody yelled at his kids, swore at them, called them names and even gave them attitude adjustments when needed.
However there wasn't anything vicious about it. he was using all of them and more as teaching tools. ,ie. the hat tearing, the wrist watch stomping, the self hitting.
Woody was a teacher and a developer. Everything he did was to bring out the best in each and every one of his players. To make each one of them learn that to excel in football and in life that you had to put out the most extreme effort that you could.
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I will argue that the line between RR and Woody ON THE PRACTICE FIELD is thinner than we might like to believe. Woody could swear. Woody could verbally abuse. And Woody would physically abuse in a manner you can't get away with today.

RR had a quote the other day that he pushes his kids to take them someplace they can't go on their own. He isn't going to hurt these kids by calling them fat f***s anymore than Woody was going to hurt them with a thump to the chest.

But we are in agreement on your salient point. Woody's purpose was to build young men and win football games in the process. The story about Chris Henry a few posts back is illustrative. For Woody discipline was an ethic. It applied to your life, not just practice. By pushing his players he made them better humans not just better players. Sure, he would get his players out of jams - but they paid in other ways. Maybe RR does the same thing. Maybe he is all about the person and a higher set of values. Maybe he studies history while we aren't looking. Maybe in time RR will earn his masters and become a full professor like Woody did. Maybe the assessment of Henry was just flat wrong. Maybe.

But try to imagine Woody Hayes with hair plugs (or a gastric bypass). Imagine him in the leering photo of RR and the two bimbos. Imagine Woody running around in that mansion or trying to renege on his contract. Imagine Woody leaving his team the way RR left WVU.

Woody was far from a saint. But every one of these items points to a different set of values. And if Woody's actions on the practice field could only be justified by wins on the field that were in turn used to promote his personal gain I couldn't draw this comparison.
 
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buckiprof;1138247; said:
While there may have been some, I did not see this savior-for-the-program status heaped upon JT when he was hired. After he went up to AA his first year and won followed by a NC his second year, did JT earn the right to be "trusted".
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I think that status was bestowed upon him when he made that "you'll be proud of us in 300 days in Ann Arbor" speech, and cemented when he pulled it off.
 
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HailToMichigan;1138544; said:
I think that status was bestowed upon him when he made that "you'll be proud of us in 300 days in Ann Arbor" speech, and cemented when he pulled it off.
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If I recall correctly, most people did not suddenly consider JT the savior of the program after that speech. Rather, most said "He gets it!" in contrast to Coop, who most believe never did. A lot of people thought the JT hire involved a big leap of faith that his YSU success would translate to big time football.
 
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How many consecutive losses before R2 is fired?

So Michigan has a new coach. Maybe JT is better than R2, maybe R2 is better than JT. Time will tell. If I can be permitted to speculate, may I ask, how many consecutive losses to JT would it take to get JT fired? I say that 4 is the magic number. Four strikes and R2 is out. I am hoping for strike number one coming from 18 returning starters, and strikes 2, 3, and 4 from magical performances by TP.
 
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DiamondBuck;1138584; said:
If I recall correctly, most people did not suddenly consider JT the savior of the program after that speech. Rather, most said "He gets it!" in contrast to Coop, who most believe never did. A lot of people thought the JT hire involved a big leap of faith that his YSU success would translate to big time football.
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Well, I'm not here to tell you how you people feel about your coach. But all the vibes I ever got was that OSU fans absolutely ate up that speech.

So Michigan has a new coach. Maybe JT is better than R2, maybe R2 is better than JT. Time will tell. If I can be permitted to speculate, may I ask, how many consecutive losses to JT would it take to get JT fired? I say that 4 is the magic number. Four strikes and R2 is out. I am hoping for strike number one coming from 18 returning starters, and strikes 2, 3, and 4 from magical performances by TP.
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Hopefully not many :tongue2:
 
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maximumblitz;1138594; said:
So Michigan has a new coach. Maybe JT is better than R2, maybe R2 is better than JT. Time will tell. If I can be permitted to speculate, may I ask, how many consecutive losses to JT would it take to get JT fired? I say that 4 is the magic number. Four strikes and R2 is out. I am hoping for strike number one coming from 18 returning starters, and strikes 2, 3, and 4 from magical performances by TP.
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HailToMichigan;1138544; said:
I think that status was bestowed upon him when he made that "you'll be proud of us in 300 days in Ann Arbor" speech, and cemented when he pulled it off.
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To me, and many other OSU fans that I know, that status wasn't bestowed upon him when he uttered those words. That is something that must be earned. Words are cheap. That kind of 'pep talk' sounds good and may give many the warm fuzzies, but the proof is in the pudding.

Actually, for many of myself and many of my OSU buddies, while that first W in AA was 'fun' in the sense that he took an underdog team up north and followed through with his 'pep talk' speech, the victory that really mattered was the second win. After the letdowns in the 90's under Coop and missed opportunities at NC's, all because Coop couldn't pull out the win against the skunkbears, the win in 2002 was much, much bigger. It exorcised some demons from the 90's.

And that was when many of us in Buckeye Nation knew that we had our new head coach.

Now don't let any of this cause you, or any of the other kool-aid drinkers, to believe that you have found your savior and that DickWad is the greatest thing since internet porn. This type of blind faith can be amusing especially when there are so many red flags flying to indicate otherwise.
 
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buckiprof;1138605; said:
To me, and many other OSU fans that I know, that status wasn't bestowed upon him when he uttered those words. That is something that must be earned. Words are cheap. That kind of 'pep talk' sounds good and may give many the warm fuzzies, but the proof is in the pudding.

Actually, for many of myself and many of my OSU buddies, while that first W in AA was 'fun' in the sense that he took an underdog team up north and followed through with his 'pep talk' speech, .
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good stuff Buckiprof.

It wasnt the speech that was great until he won that game and that is what gave validity to his speech.
 
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