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scooter1369;1627256; said:
My daughter's second grade spelling list the week after Obama's speech:

America
volunteer
government
service
country
charity
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I realize this was originally all about religion in schools but has some how turned in to politics in schools, but at the risk of keeping the politics in school angle going....

Scooter, this list of words was generated in response to Cinci's suggestion that children's books don't actually have a political agenda...

This is your evidence of politics in school? A spelling list of legitimate words to know how to spell which happen to be topical at the time of their presentation? My second grader gets a group of words like this all the time - that is chunks of 10 or so words which all have a similar theme. Sometimes those words are about some shit they're learning in science, sometimes those words are about some shit they're learning in civics or whatever the hell they call it, sometimes those words are about sports... etc.. I never thought my kid's second grade teacher was pushing a sports agenda...

I don't know... seems to me, and someone said it above, sometimes we look too hard to find what we set out looking for in the first place. I doubt if McCain was elected and this was the list of spelling words after his inauguration you'd chime in with evidence of political corruption at school.

I dont' know.. maybe you would....
 
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scooter1369;1627256; said:
My daughter's second grade spelling list the week after Obama's speech:

America
volunteer
government
service
country
charity
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My final five years as a full time teacher were spent as a reading support instructor primarily working with K - 3 kids. I saw, and read, a great many books with those kids and I swear I could not find a liberal bias unless you consider books in which the central characters were either not American or not white American to somehow be "liberal" -- a Hawaiian girl whose grandmother makes her a traditional 2 color quilt when all along the little girl has been dreaming of a multi-colored one, An African - American boy who won't let anyone hug him, A Chinese version of the Midas Touch, a rabbit who discovers primary colors and how mixing them makes other colors, an Appalachian family that rides out a big storm, a group of blind mice trying to figure out if the elephant is a rope, a column, a fan, because they cannot put all the pieces together and see the elephant as a whole. For the life of me I cannot find "a liberal bias" in those books.

I do recall a fourth or fifth grade reader with a story about a girl in a wheel chair and a sister who feels that her physically challenged sibling gets all the attention and another about a Nisei family being sent to Utah in 1941. But I ask you, how would those stories be in conflict with "a conservative agenda?"

Would there be a denial that Roosevelt did order a round up of all Japanese descendants living in America, but not of Germans and Italians? Should the parents of the girl in the wheel chair tell her to go hide so no one else can see her physical disabilities? i.e. shouldn't history show many facets of wartime behavior? Shouldn't children be given examples of compassion and how to deal with jealousy? Those seem to me to be universal values, treasured by conservatives as well as liberals.
 
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Taosman;1626762; said:
Disney is making films about Global Warming, so lets not take our kids to see any Disney films as they're all just programming! Let's take our kids to see war movies and violent movies as they are pure and good!
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At least the violent movies don't lead to, "Daddy, cough up 10 grand to take me to Disney world."

Disney is about programming, make no mistake... but, it's really just pure capitalism. Those cats would have Cinderella take Tim Tebow's virginity in straight to video cartoon if they thought it would make them a buck.
 
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scooter1369;1627298; said:
Not sure what the hell you're talking about.
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Those are all words from JFK's "Ask not..." inaugural address.

Random words used in the speech. I was making light of the concept of some kind of intent to create a political meassage - as inferred by your listing those other words.

Sometimes a list of spelling words is a list of spelling words.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1627313; said:
I realize this was originally all about religion in schools but has some how turned in to politics in schools, but at the risk of keeping the politics in school angle going....

Scooter, this list of words was generated in response to Cinci's suggestion that children's books don't actually have a political agenda...

This is your evidence of politics in school? A spelling list of legitimate words to know how to spell which happen to be topical at the time of their presentation? My second grader gets a group of words like this all the time - that is chunks of 10 or so words which all have a similar theme. Sometimes those words are about some shit they're learning in science, sometimes those words are about some shit they're learning in civics or whatever the hell they call it, sometimes those words are about sports... etc.. I never thought my kid's second grade teacher was pushing a sports agenda...

I don't know... seems to me, and someone said it above, sometimes we look too hard to find what we set out looking for in the first place. I doubt if McCain was elected and this was the list of spelling words after his inauguration you'd chime in with evidence of political corruption at school.

I dont' know.. maybe you would....
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Maybe that would be the case if I weren't the one giving the tests to her class every week, already had the words for the week ready, and they changed to accomodate Obama's address. That's not "looking too hard" for something. Especially when the reason I was given for the change was a blatant lie.

And had that been McCain's speech, it wouldn't have had any effect on the spelling words that week.
 
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scooter1369;1628216; said:
Maybe that would be the case if I weren't the one giving the tests to her class every week, already had the words for the week ready, and they changed to accomodate Obama's address. That's not "looking too hard" for something. Especially when the reason I was given for the change was a blatant lie.

And had that been McCain's speech, it wouldn't have had any effect on the spelling words that week.
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Still not seeing how her teacher giving her a list of words referencing a speech made by the President of our country is evidence of a liberal agenda.
 
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scooter1369;1628216; said:
Maybe that would be the case if I weren't the one giving the tests to her class every week, already had the words for the week ready, and they changed to accomodate Obama's address. That's not "looking too hard" for something. Especially when the reason I was given for the change was a blatant lie.

And had that been McCain's speech, it wouldn't have had any effect on the spelling words that week.
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See. This is where your understanding of what "liberals" really are is completely founded in Rush Limbaugh propaganda and not actual fact.



Definitions of liberal on the Web:
  • broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant ...
  • having political or social views favoring reform and progress
  • tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
  • (highlights added)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title&ved=0CAkQkAE
 
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Taosman;1628288; said:
See. This is where your understanding of what "liberals" really are is completely founded in Rush Limbaugh propaganda and not actual fact.



Definitions of liberal on the Web:
  • broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant ...
  • having political or social views favoring reform and progress
  • tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
  • (highlights added)
define:liberal - Google Search
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That's a pretty liberal definition.
 
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scooter1369;1628216; said:
Maybe that would be the case if I weren't the one giving the tests to her class every week, already had the words for the week ready, and they changed to accomodate Obama's address. That's not "looking too hard" for something. Especially when the reason I was given for the change was a blatant lie.
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Ok, so let me get this right... it's a liberal agenda... you're pissed about your kid's liberal indoctrination... you're in charge of administering the tests.... you believe this test is evidence of this liberal agenda and indoctrination... and you administer the test anyway.... Have I got the sequence of events right?

So, I get to conclude: A) You're not really pissed about a liberal agenda or indoctrination... B) You don't really believe there's such an agenda or indoctrination... C) You're do believe all this, but you don't really administer the tests D) You believe all this, really administer the tests, but only feel strongly enough about this "evidence" to complain on a message board rather than to the school board...

In any case, it's weak sauce.

I still think you're looking too hard. It's a list of words which kids need to learn how to spell. It was administered on a week where those words were topical. The fact that the spelling list was apparently changed to coincide with the inauguration is just as easily seen as evidence that this teacher is able to think outside of her teaching manual and use current events as a learning tool... That's not an "agenda...." unless the agenda is a comprehensive teaching plan that uses the real world as an assistant.

I don't know what "lie" you're talking about, and I don't care.

And had that been McCain's speech, it wouldn't have had any effect on the spelling words that week.
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I don't understand if you're saying if McCain was President the spelling words would have been just like the ones you outlined above with Obama being Pres or if you're saying that if McCain had been President the list of words would have been Cat, Dog, etc..

My hypo asks you to assume the former. The whole point of my remark was that If McCain was the President and also IF that was a list of spelling words, I doubt you'd have your panties in a bunch.

I have no interest in debating if the teacher in question would or would not have used the actual same list of words, in fact. I don't know.. and I don't care.
 
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