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Reds Tidbits (2009 season)

Dickerson 9, Taveras 8, Votto 3, Phillips 4, Nix 7, Encarnacion 5, Hairston Jr. 6, Hanigan 2, Arroyo 1

This just in: Dusty hates Joey Votto. There can't be any other explanation.

Looks like I don't need to bother watching again tonight. I don't know how the Reds expect to win with their SS batting seventh instead of first or second. :roll2:
 
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Jaxbuck;1496299; said:
The reasons why they weren't interested in Atkins didn't include him being a shitty hitter. That scares me a bit.
Atkins's .226 would be an upgrade over half the offense. He'd be a shitty hitter on another team, but relative to the Reds Dusty's battin' him second!
 
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I guess the Reds have been talking to the Jays about Rolen

Cincinnati.com | Cincinnati Cincinnati Reds | Cincinnati.Com

This is a first. This blog missive comes from a moving train. I'm on my way from Philly to New York. The train is the only way to go. Walk up, buy your ticket for $64, 10 minutes later you're rolling. Lots of room. A plug for your laptop.

I saw the Scott Rolen thing from the Toronto Sun. Here's a link. I don't think the Reds have the money to pull it off. Rolen's health is an issue, although the Reds should have all the reports on him. Dr. Tim Kremchek did his surgery.

The Reds have to win two of three this weekend to even think about being buyers in my estimation. You don't add a 34-year-old making a lot of money (almost $6 million for the rest of the year), unless you think he gets you over the top. The Reds are in fifth place right now -- albeit 4 1/2 games back.

Rolen is Bob Castellini's kind of guy. He may be one of the players Castellini would bend the budget for. Rolen will make $11 million next year.

This could be nothing. The Reds have had internal discussions about a lot of players and they have scouts at a lot of games. But it's an interesting one to consider.

Red-hot Rolen on Reds' radar | Baseball | Sports | Toronto Sun
The Cincinnati Reds have talked internally about obtaining third baseman Scott Rolen from the Blue Jays.
The trade would re-unite Rolen with general manager Walt Jocketty. The two were together in St. Louis when the Cardinals won the 2006 World Series over the Detroit Tigers.
The Jays are looking to dump payroll and Rolen earns $11 million US this year and in 2010, the final two years of an eight-year $90-million contract he signed with the Philadelphia Phillies in 2002. Rolen has been the Jays' best hitter this season, batting .330 with six homers and 34 RBIs and is working on a 25-game hit streak.
The Reds had a scout in St. Petersburg to watch Rolen this week as the Jays played the Tampa Bay Rays.
Besides dumping cash, the Jays are looking for prospects in return.
The Reds, however, have dangled third baseman Edwin Encarnacion, 26, who started 143 games at third for them last season, hitting .251 with 26 homers and 68 RBIs.
This season, he has appeared in only 25 games after breaking his wrist in April, and is hitting just .150 with one homer.
He earns $2 million this season and next season will earn $4.75 million.
Meanwhile, the Los Angeles Dodgers had scouts Vance Lovelace and Lee Elia, a former Jays coach, watching Roy Halladay's start against the Rays yesterday afternoon.
Also on hand were Jay Wetherby of the Detroit Tigers and Joe Sparks of the Oakland A's. Both clubs are possible Halladay suitors. The Boston Red Sox also had a scout there.
 
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Wow...talk about a back-end of his career guy. Sure, he's hitting .330 with .390 OBP....but come on. Expensive and injury prone 3rd baseman? Lovely.

He's played more than 115 in a season 1 time since the 2005 season. And he even missed 20 games in that season.

If he was cheap? Sure, okay. If we could get him for nothing? Sure, okay. If he was younger? Maybe. Any deal that involves giving up good prospects for this guy....I don't think so.
 
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I'm liking the name Scott Rolen a fuck load more than names like Atkins, DeRosa or Willingham thats for sure. Too bad its the Jays. They are the one team in MLB that has beyond a shadow of a doubt a worse contract out in CF than we do.

Perhaps they are in need of the worlds most expensive pinch runner?
 
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Jaxbuck;1496513; said:
I'm liking the name Scott Rolen a fuck load more than names like Atkins, DeRosa or Willingham thats for sure. Too bad its the Jays. They are the one team in MLB that has beyond a shadow of a doubt a worse contract out in CF than we do.

Perhaps they are in need of the worlds most expensive pinch runner?

The Reds are "dangling" EE. So....trade a 26 year old 3B who hit .251 with 26 HR (.340 OBP) and 68 RBI last season (and is making $2M and $4.75M this season and next) for a 34 year old 3B who hit .260 (.350 OBP) with 11 HR and 50 RBI last season (who is making $11M this year and next).....

That's a $3.5M upgrade on defense this year and a $6.25M upgrade next year, assuming he stays healthy.

And then poor Marty's head will explode because Dunn, Griff, AND EE will be gone.
 
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Jaxbuck;1496513; said:
I'm liking the name Scott Rolen a fuck load more than names like Atkins, DeRosa or Willingham thats for sure. Too bad its the Jays. They are the one team in MLB that has beyond a shadow of a doubt a worse contract out in CF than we do.

I don't get this one, jax? Atkins is younger and cheaper (albeit only under contract this season). Probably not as good defensively, but less likely to get injured.

ATKINS
Year......AVG..HR...RBI...OBP...SLG...OPS
2009.... .227...6....27.. .303. .339.. .642
2008.... .286...21..99.. .328.. .452.. .780
2007.... .301...25..111. .367. .486.. .853
2006.... .329...29..120. .409. .556.. .965

ROLEN
Year......AVG..HR...RBI...OBP...SLG...OPS
2009.... .330...6....34.. .390. .486.. .876
2008.... .262..11...50.. .349. .431.. .780
2007.... .265...8...58.. .331. .398... .729
2006.... .296..22...95.. .369. .518... .887

I mean, I know Atkins hits in a hitter-friendly park and his production has dropped every year since his his break-out season in 2006, but Rolen hasn't been doing a whole lot lately either....a better season this year....comparable OBPS last year....and inferior numbers the 2 previous seasons...

I don't really get making a move for either of these guys....but, other than name recognition, I don't see why you'd be okay with moving for Rolen, but not Atkins.

EDIT - I would be okay with having a guy like Derosa on the team, but not if it means giving up something worthwhile. Josh Willingham? As of 6/20 (123 AB), he had 9 HR and 12 RBI for the season. A really, really, REALLY poor man's Adam Dunn. :lol:
 
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Bucky Katt;1496521; said:
I don't get this one, jax? Atkins is younger and cheaper (albeit only under contract this season). Probably not as good defensively, but less likely to get injured.

ATKINS
Year......AVG..HR...RBI...OBP...SLG...OPS
2009.... .227...6....27.. .303. .339.. .642
2008.... .286...21..99.. .328.. .452.. .780
2007.... .301...25..111. .367. .486.. .853
2006.... .329...29..120. .409. .556.. .965

ROLEN
Year......AVG..HR...RBI...OBP...SLG...OPS
2009.... .330...6....34.. .390. .486.. .876
2008.... .262..11...50.. .349. .431.. .780
2007.... .265...8...58.. .331. .398... .729
2006.... .296..22...95.. .369. .518... .887

I mean, I know Atkins hits in a hitter-friendly park and his production has dropped every year since his his break-out season in 2006, but Rolen hasn't been doing a whole lot lately either....a better season this year....comparable OBPS last year....and inferior numbers the 2 previous seasons...

I don't really get making a move for either of these guys....but, other than name recognition, I don't see why you'd be okay with moving for Rolen, but not Atkins.


Atkins EQA = .223
Rolen EQA = .313
Career numbers will show the same type of disparity. Atkins is in a downward spiral still hitting in Coors. Thats scary.

Rolen is the better defender, Rolen has a career track record of production. Atkins has a short career that's been pretty much a straight downhill slope.

Depending on the price, I am open to Rolen at 3B. It isn't my most fervent wish by any stretch of the imagination buts its better than a lot of the dreck we've been hearing.

I said over at RZ I'd like to see us take a shot at getting E Dukes away from washington. An OF of Dukes, Stubbs, Bruce really gives you a chance to have something special for a long period of time.
 
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Jaxbuck;1496533; said:
Atkins EQA = .223
Rolen EQA = .313
Career numbers will show the same type of disparity. Atkins is in a downward spiral still hitting in Coors. Thats scary.

Rolen is the better defender, Rolen has a career track record of production. Atkins has a short career that's been pretty much a straight downhill slope.

Depending on the price, I am open to Rolen at 3B. It isn't my most fervent wish by any stretch of the imagination buts its better than a lot of the dreck we've been hearing.

I said over at RZ I'd like to see us take a shot at getting E Dukes away from washington. An OF of Dukes, Stubbs, Bruce really gives you a chance to have something special for a long period of time.

It always scares me when someone says that. I have flashbacks of people saying "An OF of (Eddie) Milner, (Tracy) Jones, (Kal) Daniels really gives you a chance to have something special for a long period of time."
 
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scott91575;1496535; said:
It always scares me when someone says that. I have flashbacks of people saying "An OF of (Eddie) Milner, (Tracy) Jones, (Kal) Daniels really gives you a chance to have something special for a long period of time."


:biggrin:

Hey there was a chance. Think of it this way...surely to god we wouldn't miss twice. Would we?
 
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Just saw the M's unloaded Yuniesky Betancourt on the Royals for 2 legit prospects. That is about as close to a bad player/bad contract combo as WT that you will ever see. There might be hope after all.

Thats two things that about the Reds that don't depress the shit out of me or piss me off in the same day (of course they haven't played yet).
 
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Holy Shit! The run on sub .300 OBP hitters is in full swing now. The Braves and Mets just swapped Church and Franceour. Why? God only knows but who cares. What does this mean for the Reds?

Redemption is at hand Walt! Madness has gripped the market, hitters who can't fucking hit are in demand and you are sitting on one of the all time greats!! Move him now before he goes 4 for 4 tonight and fucks up his trade value!!!
 
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Jaxbuck;1496554; said:
Just saw the M's unloaded Yuniesky Betancourt on the Royals for 2 legit prospects. That is about as close to a bad player/bad contract combo as WT that you will ever see. There might be hope after all.

I think they could use a fine pitcher like Bronson Arroyo too :) They dont have to give the Reds anything in return either.
 
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