Reds Tidbits (2009 season)

[DGADBTWSOM]

No wonder the Padres haven't been hitting this year. They have freaking 7 bullpen pitchers. Guess it comes in handy when you have a 16 inning game, but come on.

BTW....Owings is running on fumes.

And he just ran out.

Nice job by Micah though. I can't believe this loss.

 

[Honor&Glory]

And there you have it.

I have a cousin that lives up there, who I consider the prototype Reds fan, call me up and say he doesn't care about defense he wants "pete" roseales to be the every day 3B because he hustles. When I mention that EE is a better hitter than AR but gets crucified for his defense I get the "I don't care what the stats say I know what I know/he plays the game the right way" speech. Reminded me of some here.

Overall I do think the franchise is headed in a better direction simply based on the fact we have a decent core of young pitching and the minors are producing talent. Dusty Baker and the FO's fixation on there only being one way to play the game still scares the hell out of me but we shall see. They can't be any worse than the past 10 years or so.

statistically speaking, EEE is NOT a better hitter than Roslaes and their comparative minor league numbers and current major league numbers back that up. Oh, sure if hitting more homers is your definition of a better hitter than EEE wins...but only barely because AR is virtually even in SLG%. In 5 years in the minors, for each player, AR out hit, out OB% and out OPS'd EEE...the only difference is Rosales hit 40 some odd homers while EEE hit around 90 I think...but AR had way more doubles, tripples and SB's than EEE and had a .970+ fielding percentage to EEE's .937...and Rosales was playing SS at the time.

so, I'll ask...what makes EEE a better hitter OTHER than your opinion?

in fact...here are the numbers from baseball-reference.com regarding their minor league careers.

AVG: EE .291 AR .291

OBP: EE .352 AR .365

SLG: EE .451 AR .494

OPS: EE 803 AR 859

HR: EE 70 AR 55 (EE had 805 more AB than AR)

RBI: EE 369 AR 241 (EE had 805 more AB than AR)

 

[Jaxbuck]

so, I'll ask...what makes EEE a better hitter OTHER than your opinion?

Besides the fact that EE has been producing at the MLB level the past 5 years while AR has been in the minors? I'm sure in your detailed statistical analysis you noticed the fact they are the same age because well, you are really smart.

 

[Dryden]

Damn you West Coast. Damn you!

I hate seeing the Reds play games in the state of California. This shit happens every year.

I'm disappointed in Dusty. He should have backed up his pitcher and run out there and gotten tossed. That strike zone was horrible.

 

[Honor&Glory]

Besides the fact that EE has been producing at the MLB level the past 5 years while AR has been in the minors? I'm sure in your detailed statistical analysis you noticed the fact they are the same age because well, you are really smart.

what difference does it make what age they are? you're willing to penalize AR for playing college ball and having to adjust much later to the wood bat?
Both played the same number of years in the minors. EEE has YET to have a seson with more than 77 RBI...whoopty fucking doo...light hitting slap hitters drive in 70.
my, god...just admit that you know nothing about baseball. At least that way I'll cut you slack when you bitch and moan about the Reds.

 

[Jaxbuck]

what difference does it make what age they are? you're willing to penalize AR for playing college ball and having to adjust much later to the wood bat?
Both played the same number of years in the minors. EEE has YET to have a seson with more than 77 RBI...whoopty fucking doo...light hitting slap hitters drive in 70.
my, god...just admit that you know nothing about baseball. At least that way I'll cut you slack when you bitch and moan about the Reds.

They didn't play in the minors at the same age genius.

Age at level is kind of important in actually trying to compare minor league numbers, but like I said, you are really smart so I'm sure you knew that.

As far as reaching for your standard count of at least one straw man per post and randomly throwing EE's RBI count out there, I don't really know what to say because I have no idea where you are trying to go with it. You are like the Notre Dame Chief of this thread, throw bullshit out there with enough emphasis and hope people buy it.

One last time I'll clarify myself. I am not a fan of blind adhereance to any one style of offensive baseball. I don't really care if its small ball or long ball, its all about scoring more runs than you allow.

Therefore I point out the fallacy in the argument the losing over the past decade or so was solely on the shoulders of offensive players who by any reasonable measure (other than jogging to position) did their jobs well, while the pitching was essentially the worst in the league.

Everything beyond that is due to your unhealthy hatred of Dunn and being offended that anyone should challenge the Bannana Phone Elites mantra that all Reds woe's are his and JR's doing.

The Reds are winning for now, lighten up and enjoy it. Don't try and think so much, it doesn't suit you.

 

[Mike80]

I don't see the debate here.

Rosales is Brandon Inge part deux (and probably not as flexible in terms of positioning) and EE is an incomplete player. To be perfectly honest if the Reds were a team destined for great things this year, either would be acceptable. However given that the Reds need a couple more players and a few breaks, this sticks out a bit further.

Just as a non-Reds fan observer here.

 

[Mike80]

Milwaukee's composition still bothers me. I know PECOTA had them rated pretty high because of the offense, but I still can't get past thinking the 2009 Brewers are the 2006 Cincinnati Reds. They could easily come out and be more than 10 games over .500 heading into June/July, but combine one bad start wreaking the bullpen for a week plus a hitting slump in the 3-4-5 spots and the Brewers could lose 8-of-10 games real quick, similar to the slow April start when Braun opened in a slump and the pitchers were issuing too many walks. I just can't look past that 3-8 start to open the season.

Not that the Reds are any better, though. I'm enjoying the run and the way these guys are playing right now, but everybody in this thread knows Taveras + Hairston aren't hitting .500 combined the rest of the season and pacing this team to double digit runs scored every other game, like what they just did in Arizona.

I still feel the Central is either Chicago's or St Louis's to win, but I'm enjoying the ball being played in the NL Central right now while it doesn't suck.

And too a point I think Cincy's composition has some of the same cracks in the foundation.

I think either one is one rough stretch away from being 7-10 games down really quickly. And neither one has hit that rough stretch yet.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I don't see the debate here.

Rosales is Brandon Inge part deux (and probably not as flexible in terms of positioning) and EE is an incomplete player. To be perfectly honest if the Reds were a team destined for great things this year, either would be acceptable. However given that the Reds need a couple more players and a few breaks, this sticks out a bit further.

Just as a non-Reds fan observer here.

I made a general comment a while back that the average Cincy fan likes a player for his "scrapiness" over his talent more often than not and H&G has gone ape shit ever since.

It really has nothing to do with AR vs EE, its left over hatred for Dunn and JR. He's fixated with me because I dare to defend them from the pitchfork and torch mob.

Nothing to see here, move along.

 

[Honor&Glory]

I made a general comment a while back that the average Cincy fan likes a player for his "scrapiness" over his talent more often than not and H&G has gone ape shit ever since.

It really has nothing to do with AR vs EE, its left over hatred for Dunn and JR. He's fixated with me because I dare to defend them from the pitchfork and torch mob.

Nothing to see here, move along.

I could care less about 'scrapiness' and 'playing the game the right way'...I want players that play well on a consistent basis. Adam Dunn never did that...unless you're happy with a .215 batting average. EEE doesn't do that either. but, hey, you're happy with him.
I like how a guy who throw numbers around dismisses AR's numbers because they weren't in the minors at the exact same time...How about this: AR has better MLB 2009 numbers than EEE? can you at least acknowledge that?

But the big issue right now is not how much EEE sucks...
its: is Joey Votto going to be ok???

 

[Dryden]

Bray out until '10; Votto update | Cincinnati Enquirer | Cincinnati.Com

Bray out until '10; Votto update

Reds reliever Bill Bray had "Tommy John" elbow-ligament replacement surgery this morning and will be out until 10-12 months.

Meanwhile, there is no update yet on first baseman Joey Votto (dizziness). Votto is scheduled to be examined in Cincinnati this afternoon, Reds spokesman Rob Butcher said today.

...

Also Tuesday, reliever Nick Masset was placed on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive to May 11, with a strained left oblique muscle.

He was replaced on the roster by right-hander Ramon Ramirez, who was recalled from Louisville.

 

[Jaxbuck]

unless you're happy with a .215 batting average.

Or if you are dumb enough to use BA as the prime way to measure a hitter

I like how a guy who throw numbers around dismisses AR's numbers because they weren't in the minors at the exact same time

I would say I'm shocked you aren't able to grasp the concept that an older more mature players production at one level is weighed differently than a younger players numbers at the same level but I'm not. Marty and your tee ball coach probably never went over that one for you.

...How about this: AR has better MLB 2009 numbers than EEE? can you at least acknowledge that?

Ahh the 35 game sample size to draw a sweeping conclusion from. Three more examples of what a complete and utter moron you are in one post and you save the best for last.

Bravo.

 

[EDDIE GGGG27]

Back to 2 games over .500 ;(

Can we send Darnell back to Louisville already? It's torture watching him try to hit a baseball. And latest I heard on Votto was he's suppose to have more tests tom. Any1 here anything else? i sure hope he doesnt have vertigo.

 

[scott91575]

Back to 2 games over .500 ;(

Can we send Darnell back to Louisville already? It's torture watching him try to hit a baseball. And latest I heard on Votto was he's suppose to have more tests tom. Any1 here anything else? i sure hope he doesnt have vertigo.

Without Votto in the lineup this team really took a hit. Rosales is just not going to put up anything similar. There were 2 very winnable games with just a couple more runs produced, and I think Votto could have given that.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

Or if you are dumb enough to use BA as the prime way to measure a hitter



I would say I'm shocked you aren't able to grasp the concept that an older more mature players production at one level is weighed differently than a younger players numbers at the same level but I'm not. Marty and your tee ball coach probably never went over that one for you.



Ahh the 35 game sample size to draw a sweeping conclusion from. Three more examples of what a complete and utter moron you are in one post and you save the best for last.

Bravo.

I am with Jax here...Gotta look deeper in the stats than just BA, and age totally matters, and what level...

I just hope that Votto can get healthy...And don't look now, but Drew Stubbs is tearing up AAA right now, would love to see him play in LF if he could put up consistent numbers, with a little power...Would be great in the 2 slot for this team...Unless they could land a power bat...Not going to happen soon, but maybe in July if he can continue to hit...