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Reds Tidbits (2008 season)

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The Official Site of The Cincinnati Reds: News: Goodyear continues to woo Reds
MLB.com said:
Goodyear continues to woo Reds

CINCINNATI -- Continuing efforts to lure the Reds to the Cactus League for Spring Training, the Goodyear, Ariz., city council is considering raising a hotel tax.

According to a report in the Arizona Republic on Thursday, the city staff recommended increasing the hotel tax by 1 percent to help pay for the estimated $33 million cost to build a clubhouse, practice facility and offices for the Reds to move west in 2010.

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The Official Site of The Cincinnati Reds: News: Fogg makes Reds debut vs. Phillies
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Fogg makes Reds debut vs. Phillies

Josh Fogg will have a tough act to follow.

One night after Johnny Cueto blew away the Diamondbacks in his Major League debut, Fogg will make his Reds debut on Friday in the opener of a four-game series with the Phillies.

Philadelphia will start right-hander Kyle Kendrick.
Cincinnati took the last two games of its series from Arizona. In Thursday's win, Cueto allowed one hit and struck out 10 for his first big league victory. He retired 21 of his 22 batters overall.

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Bucky Katt;1130941; said:
Wow! Your feed must be faster than mine. I just heard it and you'd already posted. Congrats to Cueto on a tremendous debut!
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I could not believe what I was hearing on my radio. I think we are going to hear "And This One Belongs To The Reds" talot his year, if the pitching staff holds up and the regulars stay healthy.
 
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Cueto is going to be a good one fellas...

We haven't even seen our other good young pitcher...

We have got good innings from the pen...

The only bad sign so far has been the offense, but they will turn things around...

For all the talk about Dusty ruining arms and throwing the young guys out there...He pulled Cueto after only 90 pitches or so and he could of put him out there in the 8th he was still dealing...
 
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crazybuckfan40;1131935; said:
Cueto is going to be a good one fellas...

We haven't even seen our other good young pitcher...

We have got good innings from the pen...

The only bad sign so far has been the offense, but they will turn things around...

For all the talk about Dusty ruining arms and throwing the young guys out there...He pulled Cueto after only 90 pitches or so and he could of put him out there in the 8th he was still dealing...
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...And Zambrano turned out fine. (Well, except for the whole being-a-basketcase-thing, but that's not Dusty's fault.) I've said some harsh things myself about Dusty's treatment of young players, but from this point forward I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with regard to Cueto and Volquez until he actually starts demonstrating abusive tendencies.

When it comes to the Cubs situation, we're talking about a fanbase that thinks a goat is the reason their team has sucked for a hundred years. Given that, I think it's certainly possible that they also misplace their blame on Dusty Baker when it comes to the truncated careers of what may be turn out to be two fragile phenoms. Those two may have fallen apart even if they had been treated with kid gloves.
 
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jlb1705;1132009; said:
...And Zambrano turned out fine. (Well, except for the whole being-a-basketcase-thing, but that's not Dusty's fault.) I've said some harsh things myself about Dusty's treatment of young players, but from this point forward I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with regard to Cueto and Volquez until he actually starts demonstrating abusive tendencies.

When it comes to the Cubs situation, we're talking about a fanbase that thinks a goat is the reason their team has sucked for a hundred years. Given that, I think it's certainly possible that they also misplace their blame on Dusty Baker when it comes to the truncated careers of what may be turn out to be two fragile phenoms. Those two may have fallen apart even if they had been treated with kid gloves.
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Maybe I'm paranoid but since the farm system has given us some good young pitchers for the first time since Tom Browning, I don't want to see them go down the tubes.
 
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I don't believe the criticism of Dusty is completely unwarranted given the wake of broken down shoulders he's left behind: Wood, Prior, and even Jason Schmidt. But I also concede that Dusty inherited an already 'damaged' Kerry Wood, and Jason Schmidt is pushing 35, so he'd probably be winding down his career regardless who his skipper was when he hit his prime 5-7 years ago.

The funny thing is that if the same thing happens in Cincinnati, Dusty might actually be blameless here due to two things: The star pitchers were overworked before he even showed up -- Harang & Arroyo both have been north of 210IP/year for awhile, and even hit 240 a piece in '06, more than Dusty ever pressed Wood, Prior, Zambrano, or Schmidt, -- and Dusty is inheriting a less talented team in an organization that has less money to spend than either of his former employers.

In those respects, Dusty Baker is ultimately in a lose-lose position. Where the real fault will lay will be in Dusty's blame for teaching/managing from his 'gut' and eschewing sabermetrics. Cincy is a small market club and needs to adapt to Jamesian theory like the Twins and As have done, because they don't have the money to brute force their way past St. Louis and Chicago.

Ah ... whatever. I guess, in the end, it doesn't matter who the manager is. It's just a different moron every year driving the short bus in Cincinnati.
 
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Most of the pitchers that have played for him say that their problem was not with Dusty's tendency to work them deep (which they had really no issue with)... Most have said that they felt his usage of them in spring training and the throwing programs he had them do (on the side, rehabbing injuries, etc.) were what was harmful and inappropriate for arm development...
 
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jlb1705;1132009; said:
...And Zambrano turned out fine. (Well, except for the whole being-a-basketcase-thing, but that's not Dusty's fault.) I've said some harsh things myself about Dusty's treatment of young players, but from this point forward I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with regard to Cueto and Volquez until he actually starts demonstrating abusive tendencies.

When it comes to the Cubs situation, we're talking about a fanbase that thinks a goat is the reason their team has sucked for a hundred years. Given that, I think it's certainly possible that they also misplace their blame on Dusty Baker when it comes to the truncated careers of what may be turn out to be two fragile phenoms. Those two may have fallen apart even if they had been treated with kid gloves.
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Actually, Zambrano's did have issues under Dusty, but they were back and elbow related... Once he lost weight, he was better...

Pretty accurate stereotype of Cubs fans there jlb... :roll2:
And most of the fans place the blame on Dusty because that's where the players themselves place the blame... Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Jason Schmidt, Robb Nenn, Rod Beck (and others)... All broke down and had lots of arm troubles on Dusty's watch...
 
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Young pitchers with good stuff always do well their first couple fo outings, once they get a "book" on them the hitters catch up and remind everyone why rookies are inconsistent. I'm sure both our young pitchers will be fine but they will have some very rough spots this year.

Overall I still say there is no way to hide the defense or the pen, outside of Cordero, for very long. I'm not even touching on what will very likely be inconsistent starting pitching and a much less effective offense than we have seen recently.

I think this team has the best chance to be a .500 team that we have had in a decade or so but I still think thats the ceiling.
 
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Jaxbuck;1132246; said:
Young pitchers with good stuff always do well their first couple fo outings, once they get a "book" on them the hitters catch up and remind everyone why rookies are inconsistent. I'm sure both our young pitchers will be fine but they will have some very rough spots this year.

Overall I still say there is no way to hide the defense or the pen, outside of Cordero, for very long. I'm not even touching on what will very likely be inconsistent starting pitching and a much less effective offense than we have seen recently.

I think this team has the best chance to be a .500 team that we have had in a decade or so but I still think thats the ceiling.
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The harsh Fogg of reality is about to descend on us Reds fans tonight.
 
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