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billmac91;1192454; said:
and yet Cleveland has a (slightly) better record. The Reds have talent but a poorly constructed overall roster and they are maddeningly inconsistent(total fuckin headcases actually). Lots of work needs to be done.
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Saw a depressing stat on FSN tonight - confirming just how bad the Reds have let individual players beat them over and over again. They listed the highest all-time batting averages against the Reds - and four of the top five are active players (Lyle Overbay, Vladimir Guerrero, Albert Pujols & Jason Bay). The only non-active player on that list was Dante Bichette, who is still fairly recent.
The Reds have been around for nearly 140 years and have had to face a lot of great players over the years. And now they are letting themselves get the shit kicked out of them by individual players like Lyle Overbay (and this stat didn't even mention names like Bill Hall & Lance Berkman) in a way that nobody from the likes of Honus Wagner to Stan Musial to Roberto Clemente ever did in the some 125 years before.
Long story short - this team is going to stink until they stop letting themselves get beat over and over again by average players and scrubs.
The Reds have been around for nearly 140 years and have had to face a lot of great players over the years. And now they are letting themselves get the shit kicked out of them by individual players like Lyle Overbay (and this stat didn't even mention names like Bill Hall & Lance Berkman) in a way that nobody from the likes of Honus Wagner to Stan Musial to Roberto Clemente ever did in the some 125 years before.
Long story short - this team is going to stink until they stop letting themselves get beat over and over again by average players and scrubs.
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Still interested in contracting them into one franchise? I think the Tribe could bring Carmona, Sizemore, V Martinez, Lee, Laffey and Sabathia to the table. Maybe Andy Marte as a mascot or something.Jaxbuck;1192465; said:
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crazybuckfan40;1192736; said:
Have to agree. I'd give you greenies but I gotta "spread em around" first.
Although there are some players on this team that I will hate to see go, it is hight time to get rid of the perennial losers to take a page out of Jax' mantra.
Jr, love ya but, gone. Dunn, God what might've been, gone. Should've traded him to Texas and kept Hamilton and allow Dunn to go back home and play. Arroyo, gone. Ross or Bako, gone. 3 catchers is BS and I'm tired of seeing it. Javy has the best bat but the worst D so maybe he goes, dunno but someone has to. Weathers,Affeldt,Majewski, gone gone gone. Time for the bullpen to be able to count on guys coming in and we have that with Burton, Bray and Cordero. Lincoln is an enigma. Get Herrera back up here for good that kid has a lot of heart!
Two guys with one more chance- Harang and Encarnacion. Harang because we need a leader on the mound for the young arms and he can get it going when he's on, don't know what happened this year. Encarnacion has actually been stellar in the field this year, wait did I just type that?! Teach him to hit a breaking ball and lay off the outside pitch or go the other way and he'll be ok.
Great young nucleus in Phillips, Votto, Bruce, Keppinger. Who knew but Hairston is a pretty good leadoff guy and he's probably got a few more good years in him if management doenst mess him up. The core of young arms is as good as any in baseball and we should ride that wave for the next decade. What to do with Homer Bailey? Geesh.
The Corey Pattersons should just never be on this team again. Norris Hopper, who knows what kind of player he will be? Does he deserve a chance to prove it with the Reds or is he a career stop-gap, injury relief player? Doesnt matter as long as the Reds start moving forward and that starts by terminating the contract of Dusty fucking Baker at seasons end.
Walt has shown some fire so far, its definitely time to stoke the flames.
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crazybuckfan40
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Totally agree...
I do think that we need to bring in a vetran or two for nothing more than a power bat off the bench and maybe a CF, SS, catcher, bullpen arm that knows a little bit about winning...Don't let the young guys fall into the trap that has taken over Cincy in terms of losing...
When you look at...
Hairston CF
Kepp SS
Bruce RF
Votto 1B
Frazier LF
Phillips 2B
EE 3B
catcher
To go along with Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Thompson, and hopefully bailey, if we can be consistent on offense, not these 8 run nights then 1 or 2 run nights, but just a solid 4-5/night I think we will win a lot of games...
Bullpen of Coco, Burton, Bray, Roenicke, Herrara, and a couple others...
Then think about some of the young talent we have in the minors that will be ready to help midseason next year and on into 2010 we should have a very good team...
When looking at the lineup I have you also don't see alot of guys that tend to go in long slumps other than maybe EE...We have guys with solid OPS, that will work the count, and some power, and some speed...
I do think that we need to bring in a vetran or two for nothing more than a power bat off the bench and maybe a CF, SS, catcher, bullpen arm that knows a little bit about winning...Don't let the young guys fall into the trap that has taken over Cincy in terms of losing...
When you look at...
Hairston CF
Kepp SS
Bruce RF
Votto 1B
Frazier LF
Phillips 2B
EE 3B
catcher
To go along with Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Thompson, and hopefully bailey, if we can be consistent on offense, not these 8 run nights then 1 or 2 run nights, but just a solid 4-5/night I think we will win a lot of games...
Bullpen of Coco, Burton, Bray, Roenicke, Herrara, and a couple others...
Then think about some of the young talent we have in the minors that will be ready to help midseason next year and on into 2010 we should have a very good team...
When looking at the lineup I have you also don't see alot of guys that tend to go in long slumps other than maybe EE...We have guys with solid OPS, that will work the count, and some power, and some speed...
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crazybuckfan40;1194540; said:
You aren't going to be a legit WS caliber team with those two guys in CF and SS. As much as I like them both offensivly their range at two premium defensive positions is terrible. Also, Frazier probably won't be ready to help by '09.
We need players who are both an offensive and defensive asset at 4 of our 8 regular fielders positions right now assuming Dunn's gone. Thats a big task that doesn't take into account any pitching or bench needs whatsoever.
The more I think about it as this season goes on the bigger the task I see facing WJ. We are probably still a couple of years away unless he works some magic.
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I like that lineup but not with our current philosophy. Not a lot of power there but everyone of them can steal a base and turn a single into a double on a given hit. If they can figure out how to play like the DBacks, we have the same type team, we can be in it for a long time. Then some of the guys we're drafting have power. If they make it up here and can produce that just blends in. With our pitching we should only have to score 3-5 runs per night to get a W. The swinging for the fences-all or nothing attitude has to go along with the big salaries.
Once those salaries are cut maybe we can go out and grab that stellar CF that we need to set the table offensively. I actually think we can make due with Kepp at SS because EE has good range and he's finally showing how hard he's worke on his defense. Offensively you couldnt ask for anything more than Keppinger has brought this season, except for the knee thing.
I sure as hell would rather have Hairston and Keppinger guys coming off the bench than the puss nutted jackasses that we have now!
Once those salaries are cut maybe we can go out and grab that stellar CF that we need to set the table offensively. I actually think we can make due with Kepp at SS because EE has good range and he's finally showing how hard he's worke on his defense. Offensively you couldnt ask for anything more than Keppinger has brought this season, except for the knee thing.
I sure as hell would rather have Hairston and Keppinger guys coming off the bench than the puss nutted jackasses that we have now!
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schwab
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Bestbuck36;1194517; said:
This part stuck out to me, because I've heard the same from fellow Reds fans that I talk to.
It's my understanding that Texas contacted the Reds about Josh Hamilton, strictly interested in how they could get him to the Rangers. I agree with you 100% on how nice it would be if we had JH plus Volquez, but no GM worth their salt is gonna take Adam Dunn for any pitcher with even a remote shot at any sort of future. Hence, to get Volquez, you have to give up Hamilton, although I'm sure Dunn's name was brought up, and then the conversation was suddenly over due to Texas GM splitting his gut in a deep belly laugh.
Plus, you have to know that JH wouldn't be putting up these RBI numbers in Cinci. He just wouldn't.
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