BuckeyeMike80;863200; said:
With Arroyo pitching like he is, Escobar is going to get a longer leash.
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With Arroyo pitching like he is, Escobar is going to get a longer leash.
jlb1705;863201; said:
The inconsistency is maddening sometimes.
He pitches Guerrero to the point that he doesn't know what's coming next and then throws a hanger to Matthews....
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BuckeyeMike80;863199; said:
You don't like Dunn, just leave it at that. Your starting to make yourself look silly now.
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BuckeyeMike80;863207; said:
You're right. He got two more strikeouts (now up to 12), but his pitch count is now over 100. He's really run his pitch count up over the last couple of innings.
How did the Reds not score in that inning? They had runners on second and third with nobody out, and Griffey-Dunn-Encarnacion batting. At that point, you should at least get one run by accident.
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jlb1705;863218; said:
All you'd need is a flyball....
A good pitcher gets out of that inning and Escobar did, so I guess that makes him a good pitcher :p
But unless Scoscia wants Escobar to get to 150 pitches, he won't get past the 6th or 7th inning...
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Jaxbuck;863215; said:
Actually you're wrong. I don't hate him or anything like that at all. But I see his shortcomings and I don't understand the blindness to his shortcomings on this thread.
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BuckeyeMike80;863227; said:
If I may step in... Jaxbuck is not blind to his shortcomings - he seems to fully acknowledge them. As a fan though, he seems willing to accept those shortcomings because of the things he does well. On the other hand, most people that trash Dunn seem to do so unequivocally, and that's where I have a problem.
Escobar has got to 14 strikeouts. He could probably get to the magic number of 20 tonight, but his arm will fall off doing it.
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I would like to take this moment to thank Good Ol' Leatherpants for trading away Dustin Moseley (he of the 2.10 ERA out of the bullpen) for Ramon F. Ortiz. Thanks alot, ass.
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jlb1705;863233; said:
he won't get there......maybe if he had only given up a run or two, but the Reds were clearly getting closer to hitting everything off of him.
I'm trying to not be argumentative at all. What I'm saying is that for $10 Million per year (and 13 million next year), given the financial restraints that Cincy has, you need someone who isn't striking out north of 150 times a year and short of that, invest that money into some pitching (another chronic shortfall of this team)....
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BuckeyeMike80;863227; said:
You regurgitate sound bites about what you think are his shortcomings and refuse to acknowledge facts to the contrary when they are presented to you. You prefer to make snide remarks and change the topic.
The things you learned in little league don't always apply to the MLB level. Slapping the ball at the asthmatic kid playing 2B is a good idea in teeball once you get 2 strikes. In MLB where the bad infielders have .950 fielding percentages its just doesn't make that much sense. Better to do what you do and let a power hitter be a power hitter.
I'd love for every out our hitters makes to be a productive one, but not nearly as much as I'd love our hitters to do a better job of not making outs. Not making outs is the most important job of a hitter. Collecting as many total bases as possible when you do not make an out is second most important.
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Jaxbuck;863252; said:
I regurgiate the sound bites I don't even hear in the first place? Damn I've got more skill at this than I thought.
So striking out is ok? Really? Not putting the ball into play at all is acceptable? Since when? There's a chance, when a guy like Dunn makes contact, that the ball will find a hole. Instead, you'd apparently rather have him swing and miss, because the "bad infielders have .950 fielding percentages its just doesn't make that much sense".
Notice I've not said ONE THING about making him into a slappy. That isn't his game and I acknowledge it. But saying that striking out 200 times is acceptable is just plain defeatism. OH well he might get a .800 OPS, but so long as he doesn't put the ball into play in over 30% of his at-bats, it's acceptable.
Again if striking out 200 times is acceptable for 10 Mill a year, be my guest. I'm NOT the Reds fan here nor do I care if they lose 100 games a year. I do, however, as a baseball fan, reserve the right to call a spade a spade. They WILL continue to struggle if their big hitter is striking out 200 times a year while playing subpar defense.
Other small market teams have found out how to do this. When the Reds discover it, they'll get better. Since they haven't, they have Adam Dunn.
Some stats, since that's all that matters here.
Dunn has, as of tonight, batted 224 times. He's struck out 85 times in those 224 at-bats. That means he has struck out 37.9% of the time. You can't tell me that if that percentage was closer to even 30% he wouldn't be more effective, and by extension, the Reds a better team. BTW he is on pace for something like 215 strikeouts at this time.
There is no measurable stat to measure just how much his defense costs the Reds, but only the Reds are playing him in the OF. He'll either be a 1st baseman or a DH (in the AL) once he's traded.
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