Red River Recruiting

[osugrad21]

You asking for the NYT stories on MoC?

If so, sorry, but those won't be posted here anymore.

I'll PM you a link to the NYT archives but given a choice to urinate on the burning head of either William Rhoden or Mike Freeman, I'd rather feel the pain of my bladder bursting.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I didn't see much of a spin job. What would you consider spin??

If this article were comparing tOSU to UM, PSU, and ND and all they did was trash TOSU, ND, and PSU, and the worst they could say about UM was there was a party with controlled drinking, and those students showed better morals, I think we'd be [censored]ed as a fanbase.

I thought it was a pretty good rebuttal. IMO JaMarkus and his mother made an awful decesion by allowing his recruitment to be followed. Willie Williams already proved its a terrible idea.

She wants what is best for her son, so she makes him a public figure by trashing schools that are recruitng him???

Unintelligent, and now he's the one with a bullseye on his back every time he steps on the field.

his major argument was that the claims made Texas look awful, while they didn't damage oklahoma, LSU, or USC much at all.....and that she should provide names or else it's automatically false. just because those other schools aren't being slammed doesn't mean anything, and her providing the names doesn't make it any more or less true. it would make it easier to prove, but I think if she wanted a full on investigation she would have already named the names.

one of his "supporting arguments" (used VERY loosely) was that the kid's mom must be lying because "mack brown wouldn't say that". well shit.....if you have that kind of factual evidence to back everything up...

 

[osu_edu]

maybe i am one of the few in here who seem to share a different sentiment from the majority about this situation and the allegation from the mcfarland.
it's not a slam on the kid, i believe this allegation is a by-product of a very controlling and manipulative parent. i actually feel sorry for jamarcus. quite frankly, i do not understand why some of us here would disagree with the follow-up article by orangeblood.com writer?? he has every right to question the integrity and authenticity of the numerous claims that were offered by the mom and the Time writer who obviously appear to be bias, IMO. Let's just think about it. IF someone write a similar article about TOSU, do we not want specific details? won't we demand a more succinct narrative on the situation rather than a vague one? the OB writer is right. the only references the NY Time article offers are that of the mother and jamarcus' school paper.
please note that i'm not naive to think that these violations don't take place in or around big time football programs. in the same manner, i am not naive to believe everything i hear from the media. how hypocritical i would be if i suggest that OB is doing a spin job, especially after MoC's debacle? when tom friend of ESPN published that infamous article in espn mag., do we not question the exact same things OB raised in the responding article? didn't we question why Friend only used quotes from ex-buckeyes who obvious have character issues? weren't all of us up in arms demanding Friend and espn to provide facts rather than fictions? let's not encourage hypocrisy!
2 things i want to offer for us to think about before i step down from my soap box.

1) why would the mom even want to do a piece with NY Time in the first place? for her son's publicity? for fame? WHAT is the motive??
2) not suggesting that mack brown is an angel. however, reputation does suggest that he is a very upstanding person, share somewhat similar values and characteristics as our very own Coach Tressel. why can't OB use mack's credibility in this refuting argument when we would do the same with Coach Tressel's?

Honestly, IMHO, if you ask me who do i believe more, mack brown or a single mother who wants a national media to follow his son's recruitment from the get-go, I TEND TO FAVOR MACK BROWN. just my opinion.

:osu2:

osu.edu ROCKS!!!

 

[billmac91]

his major argument was that the claims made Texas look awful, while they didn't damage oklahoma, LSU, or USC much at all.....and that she should provide names or else it's automatically false. just because those other schools aren't being slammed doesn't mean anything, and her providing the names doesn't make it any more or less true. it would make it easier to prove, but I think if she wanted a full on investigation she would have already named the names.

one of his "supporting arguments" (used VERY loosely) was that the kid's mom must be lying because "mack brown wouldn't say that". well [censored].....if you have that kind of factual evidence to back everything up...

I guess my argumnet is, I just as easily believe the Texas writer vs. McFarland and his mother. McFarland's mother does seem a bit controlling and loopy to put it nicely.

The writer for Texas is asking for evidence of her claims, as they are damaging to the schools reputation. And he's willing to give the NYT writer, Mama McFarland, or JaMarkus the opportunity.

I have no doubts some of the listed things happened...It's just laughable that the Oklahoma party people did it with more morals vs. Texas fans. And you're going to base your school choice on fans of the program, while no other players or coaches are there? Just seems odd. But it is good to know that Oklahoma students don't romance the same sex, and when they drink they show more morals.

It's also a bit silly that Mother McFarland says Texas slacked and Oklahoma picked it up, when JaMarkus is quoted in an article as saying he respects the Texas coaching staff for backing off and giving him some space. He really appreciated it.

Again, awful idea to have your recruitment followed. Especially bad idea if you are going to use the process to bash the schools that spent time and money on you.

 

[jwinslow]

He threw a fit about journalistic integrity and then responded with his own juvenile, reckless rant.

 

[billmac91]

He threw a fit about journalistic integrity and then responded with his own juvenile, reckless rant.

I guess I'm not seeing the juvenile side of it. He's sticking up for his university by asking for facts and additional information.

From watching Mack Brown on TV I have a hard time believing he asked McFarlands mother who had the nicest house between he and the other coaches recruiting her son, and in a way to suggest it somehow made him better than the other coaches.

It's just absurd.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

I guess I'm not seeing the juvenile side of it. He's sticking up for his university by asking for facts and additional information.

From watching Mack Brown on TV I have a hard time believing he asked McFarlands mother who had the nicest house between he and the other coaches recruiting her son, and in a way to suggest it somehow made him better than the other coaches.

It's just absurd.

He's attacking a 17-18 year kid and his mom.. and he's a grown man. That's juvenile right there.

 

[BB73]

From watching Mack Brown on TV I have a hard time believing he asked McFarlands mother who had the nicest house between he and the other coaches recruiting her son, and in a way to suggest it somehow made him better than the other coaches.

I also had a hard time believing that allegation.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I guess I'm not seeing the juvenile side of it. He's sticking up for his university by asking for facts and additional information.

From watching Mack Brown on TV I have a hard time believing he asked McFarlands mother who had the nicest house between he and the other coaches recruiting her son, and in a way to suggest it somehow made him better than the other coaches.

It's just absurd.

he sounded like your average douche bag fan on a message board.....because that's exactly what he is. no offense to anybody here, but I would be flat out embarassed if anybody outside of like 4 guys on this board published an article on behalf of the Ohio State fan base. it sounded to me like the Texas version of AlexBooneFan.

 

[billmac91]

He's attacking a 17-18 year kid and his mom.. and he's a grown man. That's juvenile right there.

I don't really see attacking.....I see him taking the released article, and breaking it down section by section and addressing the negative parts that are directed at Texas.

He asks legit questions, and asks for support/evidence for the charges levied against UT.

And you say he's a grown man.....well she's a grown woman. A grown woman who allowed a NYT reporter to follow her sons recruitment, and then give them quotes and information that rip the coaches and universities that spent time and money chasing her son around. Maybe it's me, but typically, recruits are complimentary of the schools that have pursued them, saying things such as:

"Ohio State was great and Jim Tressel made the decesion really hard because he's a great guy, but my heart is at Notre Dame."

or

"I grew up a Texas fan, and I love the university, but Oklahoma is a great opportunity and I want to play for Bob Stoops."

Not: paraphrased

"When Texas was sleeping, Oklahoma came awake."(even though JaMarkus is on record as saying he respected the space Texas coaches gave him and he thought it helped them because it showed they cared.)

"I didn't like LSU b/c hostesses were sitting in the laps of recruits."

"If JaMarkus chose UT, my friend would have gotten an interest-free loan."

"Mack Brown acted smug and asked me who had the nicest house between he and the rival coaches."

"Oklahoma parties show more morals than a party in Dallas that had UT fans there."

Anyways, if a recruit were to go public with accusations about one of our boosters offering a family friend an interest-free loan, I would sure as hell want that recruit/parent to come forward with the information. You can't sling mud like that, and then act as if you said nothing. I'd also want to know who took him to th eparty with drugs and girls romancing each-other. Why was he taken to that party when no coaches or players were there?? UT traveled back to Austin immediately after the game. For that visit, JaMarkus' mom was supposedly his chaperone....what happened???

Bottom line to me is, don't launch an assault on a university like JaMarkus and his mother have done, and then expect noone to get upset. People are passionate about their universities and take great pride in them. If you're going to sling mud, be prepared to back it up. Hopefully they do, but until then they brought this on themselves.

Just like Willie Williams and his private flights and lobster dinners....

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

Personally, I don't find any of the accounts involving coaches in the story to be unbelievable. What Mack Brown alleged asked doesn't appear that desperate at all compared to the story of the coach who called up a recruit late in the night and cried over the phone to seek personal comfort. Not only is recruiting a high pressure business, in a lot of cases it also involves frustrating efforts to reach out to immature kids and immature parents who do not deal in a rational or consistent manner. That part of the story does not bother me.

What really bothers me is that none of these hypocritical coaches ever try to do anything to address the pandemic of under-aged drinking on recruiting trips. A lot of universities actually have rules that say if you get caught or admit to drinking on your college visit, your scholarship or admission letter would be rescinded. And here we are with all these stories pointing to the obvious reality, and none of these institutions or coaches are willing to take any steps to monitor the process. Mack Brown shouldn't be slammed for asking an innocuous question about his house, he should be accused of abetting in breaking the law by allowing his players to take recruits to these parties. Same for Stoops and Petey.

 

[billmac91]

he sounded like your average douche bag fan on a message board.....because that's exactly what he is. no offense to anybody here, but I would be flat out embarassed if anybody outside of like 4 guys on this board published an article on behalf of the Ohio State fan base. it sounded to me like the Texas version of AlexBooneFan.

but he isn't that....he's the owner of that board. Not saying his writing style is on par with some tOSU insiders, but the guy has inside information on the Texas program.

It isn't as if he's the equivalent to poster Billmac91 and now the Texas sites are running around with the post as a rebuttal. It'd be similar to Bill Greene, Wadc, Dave Biddle, etc. writing that piece...

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

but he isn't that....he's the owner of that board. Not saying his writing style is on par with some tOSU insiders, but the guy has inside information on the Texas program.

It isn't as if he's the equivalent to poster Billmac91 and now the Texas sites are running around with the post as a rebuttal. It'd be similar to Bill Greene, Wadc, Dave Biddle, etc. writing that piece...

what makes him any different. pretty much everybody of "notoriety" on this board started at as just another schlub on a message board. a ton of money and shady connections doesn't make him any less of a douche than those whack jobs on MGB. fuck......Tom Beaver is another perfect example.

If he were any better, he wouldn't have written an article that sounds like a 10 year old defending his dad's favorite team just because it's his dad's favorite team.

 

[billmac91]

Personally, I don't find any of the accounts involving coaches in the story to be unbelievable. What Mack Brown alleged asked doesn't appear that desperate at all compared to the story of the coach who called up a recruit late in the night and cried over the phone to seek personal comfort. Not only is recruiting a high pressure business, in a lot of cases it also involves frustrating efforts to reach out to immature kids and immature parents who do not deal in a rational or consistent manner. That part of the story does not bother me.

What really bothers me is that none of these hypocritical coaches ever try to do anything to address the pandemic of under-aged drinking on recruiting trips. A lot of universities actually have rules that say if you get caught or admit to drinking on your college visit, your scholarship or admission letter would be rescinded. And here we are with all these stories pointing to the obvious reality, and none of these institutions or coaches are willing to take any steps to monitor the process. Mack Brown shouldn't be slammed for asking an innocuous question about his house, he should be accused of abetting in breaking the law by allowing his players to take recruits to these parties. Same for Stoops and Petey.

on his trip to Dallas, his mom was his chaperone and he attended the party without any coaches or players there, as the team was on its way back to Austin immediately following the game.

I'd like to know why his mom didn't drive him home after the game? Who'd he go to the party with? Was it planned for JaMarkus to attend this party with other recruits?

All legit questions....and it could be it was planned for the recruits to go to the game with a chaperone/parent, and after try and get them to a wild-ass party to impress them. I have no idea, but if they're going to make Texas look bad for having fans that offer drugs and alcohol to a 17 year old, they should answer why he was there in the first place when his mother was in Dallas with him.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

are they legit questions? do they have anything to do with what happened? or are they just posed to turn the heat back on the accuser?