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[JCOSU86]

The weather talk is overstated a bit

I think it is WAY overstated. Columbus has "cool" weather in late Oct through November, but it isn't like we are shoveling snow. I've lived here for 10 years now and I haven't counted very many snow storms in C-bus in Oct/Nov. When was the last time in snowed during a game? Penn State in the 90s (Butler Bynote's team)? Hell, it didn't even stick. Mostly it's in the 50's.
Sept it is just as damned hot as the south. It was 86 and sunny for YSU.

 

[redbenn]

I think it is WAY overstated. Columbus has "cool" weather in late Oct through November, but it isn't like we are shoveling snow. I've lived here for 10 years now and I haven't counted very many snow storms in C-bus in Oct/Nov. When was the last time in snowed during a game? Penn State in the 90s (Butler Bynote's team)? Hell, it didn't even stick. Mostly it's in the 50's.
Sept it is just as damned hot as the south. It was 86 and sunny for YSU.

michigan 02, campus was full of snow

 

[bkochmc]

michigan 02, campus was full of snow

That's great but there wasn't a trace of snow on the field.

Distance is the main factor in my mind. When a Big10 team plays UCLA or USC in the Rose Bowl only the rich fans/alumni or the fans that make that their vacation for the year will make that trek whereas the regular UCLA/USC fan will be more likely to attend the game as their only cost is the ticket. Play that same game in Detroit, Indianapolis, or Chicago and the tables are reversed.

I don't see why Detroit or Indianapolis can't have a BCS game (besides the 4 bowls wanting to keep the money to themselves) since 2 of the current BCS games are played in domes. Say all you want about travel destinations and vacations but if I have the means to attend a BCS game (especially the national championship) I will do so no matter where it is located.

 

[Gatorubet]

I think it is WAY overstated. Columbus has "cool" weather in late Oct through November, but it isn't like we are shoveling snow. I've lived here for 10 years now and I haven't counted very many snow storms in C-bus in Oct/Nov. When was the last time in snowed during a game? Penn State in the 90s (Butler Bynote's team)? Hell, it didn't even stick. Mostly it's in the 50's.
Sept it is just as damned hot as the south. It was 86 and sunny for YSU.

Carefull...there goes the "build a different team" to play in the cold argument. :tongue2:

 

[Gatorubet]

I know you LOVE this go-to argument, but do try to notice that the discussion here is about conferences, and quite clearly built around that. I know most don't realize there are other b10-sec games out there besides OSU's, but I'm quite sure you are. Even ones against mediocre UM balclubs.

It's not like the b10 is firing on all cylinders either in these b10-SEC matchups. Penn State is a shell of itself (but still on par with auburn), Michigan is obviously reeling, Purdue & Iowa are way down from their past play, etc. Yet every year, all of these wildly overmatched b10 clubs give the SEC teams very tough games, or *gasp* beat them... with the exception of our team.
A conveniently incomplete representation of this syndrome.

It's not conference pride. It's riding coattails.

UK, Scar, Arky, Bama, Vandy, Ole Miss, Miss St... heck even Tenn lately... don't have much to write home about themselves, so why not be obnoxiously boisterous and live vicariously through the 3-4 elite teams in the conference? No Aubbies, you aren't elite. Yep, that's the ticket. S-E-C! S-E-C.

What? We had to scrap to pull away from a horrendous NC State team? Oh, we're finally assured of victory? Cheer for our team? Nope, let's boast about the conference. That makes a ton of sense... must be why everyone else does it.

Because none of what you say is going on. The only thing is that our conference beat their conference. If they were unfeated or if they won their first game, it is a "my conference beat your conference, and we are the SEC, who is better than your conference."

Simple. Cocky? Yeah. Obnoxious? Certainly. But it is riding their own coat tails - they won. The fact that I value that win too - and so does Woof - is what you don't get. And I'd cheer "S E C" too, even if my SEC team was undefeated and this was their first win. So I fail to see your coattails argument, because if would only be true if the bad teams were taking on a the SEC mantra when the good teams win, but fans of the good teams in the SEC also are happy to revel in the defeat of an OOC opponent no matter who the team or how good they are.

You don't get it. That's fine.

 

[jwinslow]

Because none of what you say is going on. The only thing is that our conference beat their conference. If they were unfeated or if they won their first game, it is a "my conference beat your conference, and we are the SEC, who is better than your conference."

So Conference > Team?

Is that really a reasonable response to ateam winning the game? To chant about the conference's glory, of which your team (SCar) has close to no part, outside of your coach's name?

Simple. Cocky? Yeah. Obnoxious? Certainly. But it is riding their own coat tails - they won.

There is nothing chant-worthy about that victory, nor worthy of any SEC respect. What UF, LSU are doing, so a smaller extent Georgia and Auburn... that's what sets up the incessent SEC chest thumping. How hard would SEC fans laugh if they heard Minnesota fans chanting "Big... Ten" after beating NC State? The mocking would circle back to how the rest of the league is performing. The boasting is leapfrogging off the elite teams to try and share in the greatness, when they've done nothing to earn it themselves, but pretend as though they have.

After each NC loss, we had 20 times more trolls of mediocre SEC programs on this board than those of the winning programs.

 

[Muck]

You don't get it. That's fine.

Just don't ever pretend that the rivalries down in cowpatch are in the same league.

If UGA wins a bowl game and UF fans are cheering on their conference brothers...that's not a fierce rivalry.

Most Ohio State fans are hoping Iran nukes Ann Arbor whenever TSUN plays.

 

[Gatorubet]

Just don't ever pretend that the rivalries down in cowpatch are in the same league.

If UGA wins a bowl game and UF fans are cheering on their conference brothers...that's not a fierce rivalry.

Most Ohio State fans are hoping Iran nukes Ann Arbor whenever TSUN plays.

You don't get it, and that's fine.

 

[jwinslow]

You don't get it, and that's fine.

If we keep repeating this line to you, would you do anything other than chuckle? Would you find it the least bit compelling, convincing or even useful?

I have a hard time believing Auburn fans cheer openly for Bama in bowl games, if the hatred is all it's billed to be.

 

[Nutriaitch]

Most Ohio State fans are hoping Iran nukes Ann Arbor whenever TSUN plays.

This is my exact feelings towards the entire state of Alabama, and not just when those teams are playing. Hell, it could happen in March and I'd be happy.

 

[Gatorubet]

If we keep repeating this line to you, would you do anything other than chuckle? Would you find it the least bit compelling, convincing or even useful?

I have a hard time believing Auburn fans cheer openly for Bama in bowl games, if the hatred is all it's billed to be.

I guess more accurately, in the final analysis I do not care what y'all think about it. Unlike pure facts, this is a "cultural" issue. It is not so much right or wrong, but an it is what it is thing.

It's not like we are arguing whether Sweden is in Europe or Asia. We are talking about the high degree of conference loyalty and pride that we have in the SEC beating other OOC teams. I hate Georgia. I want Georgia to win every OOC game it plays. I want the Gators to put a butt whipping on them, not the gnats from Georgia Tech. I want them to lose to other SEC teams only if I need them to have losses for us to make the Atlanta game.

And there are people like Nutria who want Auburn to lose every game, I guess. Cool. But the majority of SEC fans want the OOC games to be won by the SEC - every time, every game. You do not get it. I do not care that you don't any more than you care to see me repeat it.

If it annoys the Big-10, then you and the rest of the BCS Conferences can beat us in BCS games until we have a shitty record like the ACC. When we do, that chant will have no basis in scoreboard and so look totally irrational. Until then, our boast is backed up by scoreboard.

Feel free to catch us if you can. Until then, keep laughing at it. We'll hopefully keep winning BCS games and keep getting laughed at. Seems like a fair trade to me.

 

[BigWoof31]

"Every time I think I'm out - they pull me back in!"

Just don't ever pretend that the rivalries down in cowpatch are in the same league..

There is no more overrated claim in the sports world than "WE HAVE THE BEST RIVALRY."
Yes, it makes or breaks coaching careers.
Yes, its a gut wrenching loss.
But I promise you - it's nothing a national title can't fix.
Which leads me to....

If UGA wins a bowl game and UF fans are cheering on their conference brothers...that's not a fierce rivalry.

I would argue that a great Rivalry deals more with prestige rather than the vitriol of the fanbases. Georgia and Florida have the chance to play this year as (for the first time ever) as two top 5 teams.
That does more for a rivalry than the number of times I scream "go [censored] yourself" at GatoruBet.

And from a historical standpoint - I think the Cocktail party game is just that. An absolute blackout fest (the Kentucky Derby x100) where a football great between two good programs breaks out.

Most Ohio State fans are hoping Iran nukes Ann Arbor whenever TSUN plays.

I'm sorry - I just don't feel that way about any SEC opponents.

 

[jwinslow]

And there are people like Nutria who want Auburn to lose every game, I guess. Cool. But the majority of SEC fans want the OOC games to be won by the SEC - every time, every game.

Was it like this 15 years ago? And again, do Auburn fans typically root for Alabama?

. I hate Georgia. I want Georgia to win every OOC game it plays. I want the Gators to put a butt whipping on them, not the gnats from Georgia Tech.

How often has Georgia spoiled a NC run for Florida? Let's look at florida's best years (top-12 or better), starting with spurrier:
2007 L (4 losses). 2006 W (NC). 2005 W. 2001 W. 2000 W. 1999 W. 1998 W. 1997 L (#4, 2 losses). 1996 W. 1995 W. 1994 W. 1993 W. 1992 W. 1991 W. 1990 W.

1 heartbreaking loss in 20 years to Georgia, and it came immediately after a NC. Saying 'you don't get it' doesn't quite do it justice when trying to explain why Michigan is hated so much and not afforded the same respect given the rest of the b10 OOC. It's a lot easier to root on your hated rival when they virtually never spoil things.

If it annoys the Big-10, then you and the rest of the BCS Conferences can beat us in BCS games until we have a shitty record like the ACC. When we do, that chant will have no basis in scoreboard and so look totally irrational. Until then, our boast is backed up by scoreboard.

Precisely my point. The 2-4 elite teams in the SEC have serious bragging rights.

South Carolina and the large contingent of mediocre clubs have no stake in that, any more than Northwestern & Minnesota have any business boasting when their mediocre wins coincide with recent NC/BCS wins by OSU/UM/etc. It makes no sense.

 

[jwinslow]

But I promise you - it's nothing a national title can't fix.

Except national titles are virtually impossible for OSU-UM losers.

 

[Gatorubet]

Was it like this 15 years ago? And again, do Auburn fans typically root for Alabama?How often has Georgia spoiled a NC run for Florida? Let's look at florida's best years (top-12 or better), starting with spurrier:
2007 L (4 losses). 2006 W (NC). 2005 W. 2001 W. 2000 W. 1999 W. 1998 W. 1997 L (#4, 2 losses). 1996 W. 1995 W. 1994 W. 1993 W. 1992 W. 1991 W. 1990 W.

1 heartbreaking loss in 20 years to Georgia, and it came immediately after a NC. Saying 'you don't get it' doesn't quite do it justice when trying to explain why Michigan is hated so much, and they are not afforded the b10 support typically given to others in the b10.
Precisely my point. The 2-4 elite teams in the SEC have serious bragging rights.

South Carolina and the large contingent of mediocre clubs have no stake in that, any more than Northwestern & Minnesota have any business boasting when their mediocre wins coincide with recent NC/BCS wins by OSU/UM/etc. It makes no sense.

The majority of SEC fans want the entire SEC to win all of the OOC games. That's a fact Jack. Not all, of course, we are talking about millions of fans.

Please do not try to statistically tell me that the UF-UGA rivalry is not important or heated. We can't even agree on the historical record of wins and losses.

Saying it is not a rivalry because it is not for the championship every year is so specious that I'll let the folks who wait every year for the Army Navy game explain it.

Anyway, if it's for all the marbles between two teams that often, you have a sucky conference. :p