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RB Michael Weber (New Jersey Generals)

I find it to be in poor taste for a bunch of adults like us to criticize this kid for basing his decision, in part, on the position coach he thought he would be working with. Maybe it is insignificant in our opinion, but we aren't the ones who made his decision. I don't doubt that he is genuinely miffed about it. Making it sound like he is a whiny baby because he is miffed isn't going to make him change how he feels.
 
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I've said all I'm going to say about this topic. If you want to continue the discussion, I certainly encourage you to do so but let's take it over here and keep this thread for news about Mike Weber for those that are looking for updates...and leave discussion about the ethical side of this situation for it's own thread:

Coaches leaving after signing day discussion
 
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Yeah, whatever your whatever. Drayton didn't deceive anyone...period. He owes nothing to anyone except to himself and his family...period. And actually it's really not that different, and if you can't see that...when you can fill in the rest.
So it's not that different, ok. You're probably right. In one case you've got players who have been in the system, coached by someone for 2 or 3 years and then their coach left just like dozens of coaches leave every year. The other case you have a commit who was not made aware of a potential move by a coach that literally could have been a deciding factor in his decision making process, which would lead him to being at a different school for the next 4 years, keeping in mind that in all likelyhood the process of the interview was in process before he committed. Oh, and he was seriously conflicted with his decision.

Not even Drayton making an absurd promise to the current players that he was going to stay all 4 years for them would make it a parallel situation.
 
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So it's not that different, ok. You're probably right. In one case you've got players who have been in the system, coached by someone for 2 or 3 years and then their coach left just like dozens of coaches leave every year. The other case you have a commit who was not made aware of a potential move by a coach that literally could have been a deciding factor in his decision making process, which would lead him to being at a different school for the next 4 years, keeping in mind that in all likelyhood the process of the interview was in process before he committed. Oh, and he was seriously conflicted with his decision.

Not even Drayton making an absurd promise to the current players that he was going to stay all 4 years for them would make it a parallel situation.
If kids think that their college position coach will be there forever are either naïve or myopic. And fans thinking a coach needs to keep all potential recruits posted on their every move are flat out stupid. If you think what Drayton did was so heinous, explain to everyone exactly how you think he should have handled it.
 
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If kids think that their college position coach will be there forever are either naïve or myopic. And fans thinking a coach needs to keep all potential recruits posted on their every move are flat out stupid. If you think what Drayton did was so heinous, explain to everyone exactly how you think he should have handled it.
I'm not disagreeing with that first sentence, just stating that if he was completely torn on his decision (which he clearly was), then something like this could have completely changed his decision. Reasonably or not, it could have changed it. All I'm saying is that he deserved to know about the possibility of the change by Drayton. Heck, you don't HAVE to sign on NSD. Drayton says "hey, I have an interview tomorrow and may not be your coach" and Weber may postpone his decision.

Edit: and your comment on having to keep all recruits posted on their every move, are you serious? We recruit 1-2 RBs per year. so "all the recruits" are really 1-2 kids (this year only Weber), that's really tough. And what does "every move" mean? "Hey, I'm eating a bagel" is different than "hey you're making a life altering decision that becomes official the second you sign that piece of paper, oh and by the way I just found out I may be gone in 24 hours."
 
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If kids think that their college position coach will be there forever are either naïve or myopic. And fans thinking a coach needs to keep all potential recruits posted on their every move are flat out stupid. If you think what Drayton did was so heinous, explain to everyone exactly how you think he should have handled it.

Boom, drop the mic Mili, you've said it all there sir
 
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I'm not disagreeing with that first sentence, just stating that if he was completely torn on his decision (which he clearly was), then something like this could have completely changed his decision. Reasonably or not, it could have changed it. All I'm saying is that he deserved to know about the possibility of the change by Drayton. Heck, you don't HAVE to sign on NSD. Drayton says "hey, I have an interview tomorrow and may not be your coach" and Weber may postpone his decision.
Hey Boss, look... I have an interview tomorrow. Let's wait on you assigning me that case.

"Hit the road, buddy"
 
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Nick Baumgardner @nickbaumgardner · 28m28 minutes ago
Cass Tech coach Thomas Wilcher asked on @DSports1051 if he's upset at Urban Meyer, he says "that's where it starts."

Nick Baumgardner @nickbaumgardner · 27m27 minutes ago
Wilcher: "I can tell you right now Mike Weber's not happy, Mike Weber's family is not happy."


Nick Baumgardner @nickbaumgardner · 26m26 minutes ago
Wilcher: "I think it's a black eye on the university -- they're out there getting these young men on false pretenses, and that's just it."

Nick Baumgardner @nickbaumgardner · 26m26 minutes ago
Wilcher's upset because Weber now has to live in Michigan w/ a bunch of people saying "I told you so."

Nick Baumgardner @nickbaumgardner · 25m25 minutes ago
Wilcher: "He's got a heavy heart, and I feel bad for him. But we'll work through this and do whatever we have to do" to make sure he's happy

Nick Baumgardner @nickbaumgardner · 25m25 minutes ago
Wilcher says he, Weber and Weber's parents haven't talked about whether or not he'll be at Ohio State.

Nick Baumgardner @nickbaumgardner · 24m24 minutes ago
Wilcher says it's his understanding that if Ohio State releases Weber, he won't have to sit out. He's not commenting on any of that further

Nick Baumgardner @nickbaumgardner · 21m21 minutes ago
Wilcher: "My efforts now are not going to be with coach Meyer (and Ohio State), they'll be with Mike Weber, trying to get his spirits up"

Ari Wasserman ‏@AriWasserman 10m10 minutes ago
Cass Tech coach Thomas Wilcher on whether Ohio State mislead Mike Weber: "Yes. 100 percent." More coming.

So basically Wilcher is still trying to recruit Weber to scUM. I'm pretty sure they have room, and he knows it.
I have a feeling he's more upset than Weber and his family.
 
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I'm not disagreeing with that first sentence, just stating that if he was completely torn on his decision (which he clearly was), then something like this could have completely changed his decision. Reasonably or not, it could have changed it.
Don't disagree with this at all.

All I'm saying is that he deserved to know about the possibility of the change by Drayton.
This I disagree with.

Heck, you don't HAVE to sign on NSD. Drayton says "hey, I have an interview tomorrow and may not be your coach" and Weber may postpone his decision.
Or Weber might say, "I'm not going to wait on what happens with coach Drayton, so I'm deciding to go elsewhere." And then if Drayton doesn't get the job, not only do we lose out on Weber but Weber also loses out on going where he most wanted to go. And as Weber has himself said, his relationship with Zeke, and not Meyer or Drayton or anyone else, was the deciding factor so Drayton's departure should not be that big a deal.

The person whining the most about this and making the most hyperbolic comments/accusations is Weber's HS coach.
 
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Don't disagree with this at all.


This I disagree with.


Or Weber might say, "I'm not going to wait on what happens with coach Drayton, so I'm deciding to go elsewhere." And then if Drayton doesn't get the job, not only do we lose out on Weber but Weber also loses out on going where he most wanted to go. And as Weber has himself said, his relationship with Zeke, and not Meyer or Drayton or anyone else, was the deciding factor so Drayton's departure should not be that big a deal.

The person whining the most about this and making the most hyperbolic comments/accusations is Weber's HS coach.
I understand the potential of the news having Weber sign elsewhere and Drayton staying, but the kid deserves that knowledge IMO. Which I know you disagree with, but to each his own. I just put myself/son if I had one in those shoes and I'd want to know that.
 
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Hey Boss, look... I have an interview tomorrow. Let's wait on you assigning me that case.

"Hit the road, buddy"
If your boss is a 17 year old kid, making the biggest decision of his life, and one that will effect everything in his life going forward, I'd give the boss the opportunity to fire me. Maybe I'm just too fair?
 
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If your boss is a 17 year old kid, making the biggest decision of his life, and one that will effect everything in his life going forward, I'd give the boss the opportunity to fire me. Maybe I'm just too fair?
The point is you'd lose your job in a heartbeat and probably wouldn't get the next one, especially if all employers talked like college coaches do.

You have tunnel vision for what is right for the kid with little interest in what's right for the occupation. Stan Drayton never gets the OSU gig or any other major job if he's out there warning kids about his hopes to bolt on them.
 
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