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RB Maurice Clarett (B1G Freshman of the Year, National Champion)

3yardsandacloud;

(You REALLY need a smaller name :tongue2: ) Yes, I think
that was the right word. I also am proud of the way Coach
Tressel and the rest of the coaches and staff handled this
issue. But I disagree with you about one thing.
I believe that Andy "Call Me A Liar, Will Ya" Geiger was
embarrassed, waited his chance, and took it. I believed
it was going to happen when MoC said it, Way before I read similar thoughts on BNuts, and I still believe it today.
And it may have cost OSU a second NC. I don't believe
that he meant all the things that happened to happened.
I just think that he started the ball rolling down a hill
that was a lot higher than he realized.

That's what I believe. :cheers:
 
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RAM, feel free to abbreviate my moniker to 3yards, 3yds, or some other combination of leters and numbers. :biggrin: My moniker is actually longer on Bucknuts where it also includes "ofdust".

Anyway, I'm not sure if I totally understand what you are saying about AG. I assume you mean that AG was mad about being called a liar and waited until he could get rid of Maurice ... then did so. I agree that AG was probably mad at Maurice (rightly so I think). What do you think the repercussion would be if you called your bosse's boss a liar in front of the national media ... without being able to prove anything? I doubt you'd last another entire year on the payroll (scholarship). But that is not your point (I don't think).

First let me say that you may very well be right. It could be possible that AG 'had it in" for Maurice and got rid of him at the earliest convenience. If that is the case then AG is a very shrewd and cagey customer. Nothing in the cascading series of events points to a place and time where AG furthered the effort to get rid of Maurice. All indications are that AG had to follow the course that was laid before him. The truth is that we will probably never know the full story.

RAM, I'm open minded and this is what I see. Let me know if there is something I'm missing that would sway my opinion.

1. The NYTimes and a disgruntled former university employee make claims of academic misconduct at OSU revolving around Maurice Clarret. This is well past the Fiesta Bowl incident. Being such a serious charge (with possibly catastophic consequenses) the university (including Geiger) are forced to investigate the matter AND involve and include the NCAA in the investigation.

2. Local media "bust loose" a story (already looked into by the university and dismissed) involving Maurice and a "loaner" car, including stolen clothes, cash, CDs worth $8000 (allegedly). Following a public and media firestorm about the incident, the university and Geiger are again forced to conduct and investigation and once again forced to include the NCAA in the proceedings.

3. Following this, the talk is that Maurice will most likely see a 1 to 3 game suspension. As the investigation seems to be winding up, Maurice is found to have other "questionable" events. Maurice compounds his problems by concealing the truth and lying (repeatedly) to the university AND NCAA investigators.

4. Now this part is somewhat "gray", but generally supported by some folks close to the program. It may not be the "gospel" truth, but something very similar to this was happening. Maurice (and his lawyers) are VERY unhappy with the prospect of ANY suspension for Maurice. They begin to pressure Geiger on a variety of fronts. Most notibly the media and the threat of lawsuits. Geiger's hands are tied. He must propose a punishment to the NCAA. They will either accept it or not. Maurice's camp threatens lawsuits against the university with the general premise that they are profiting off a "suspended player". Geiger counters by "pulling" Maurice merchandise off the shelves. #13 jerseys disappear from stores, The mural at the Buckeye Hall of Fame Cafe is altered and Clarret is deleted. Video and graphics featuring Maurice are change to no longer include the star tailback. You get the picture.

Maurice and his camp are still upset. They continue to threaten the university and athletic department with lawsuits and will fight the suspension in court. They want Geiger to recommend a much softer suspension than NCAA guidelines are calling for. Geiger wants Maurice and his "advisors" to agree to the recommendations he will submit to the NCAA before he sends them. He wants to avoid further threat of lawsuit AND sanctions by the NCAA. Clarret's camp will not agree. Geiger then counters by not sending in any recommendations to the NCAA. This begins the period of continually extending deadlines for the report being sent to the NCAA. Clarret can't sue on the gounds of and unjust suspension because he still hasn't been suspended ... he is now in limbo.

This (I believe) is the only time in which Geiger plays serious "hard ball" with Maurice. All of this is done behind closed doors and Geiger takes SERIOUS heat from the media and fans for the continual delay of sending the report to the NCAA.

5. End of story. Maurice and his camp must accept the decision, so too must OSU and the athletic department. The NCAA wants the full year suspension. Maurice was doing things the HE KNEW he shouldn't be doing. He compounded the situation by continually lying about it. Were the events earth shattering ... no. Fairly minor yet still wrong. Would most of us lie to try and protect a friend ... probably. Again, understandable yet still wrong. The NCAA (and to an even greater degree OSU) are put in a bad position. The punishment must be stiff or they will be accused of playing favoritism for star athletes. This is further compounded by the fact that Maurice STILL has an ongoing academic investigation!

Even after all of this Andy Geiger and Coach Tressel give Maurice a path to return to the Buckeyes next season and retain his scholarship. Meet these criteria and serve your suspension and you can come back. Oh, and by the way, you are still on scholarship. The education is still free if you want it. That (to me) is showing a real interest in the betterment of an individual.

The rest is just unwritten history. We will see how it unfolds. But, (to me) it looks as though Andy Geiger was forced along a path that was set for him by Maurice's mistakes, the media, and lawyers (both Maurice's and OSU's). Now I could be wrong (I often am) and Geiger somehow orchestrated all these events to bring about the demise of MoC. I find that doubtful, and no one has suggested a way in which Andy Geiger COULD have done such a thing. I even admit the Geiger MIGHT (no certainty in any event) have been happy about the turn of events for Maurice on some personal level. But, I guarantee you that AG would have been THRILLED if Maurice could have helped OSU to another National Title this year. That is the man's job. Coincidentally, Andy Geiger suffered much LESS embarrassment and humiliation from Maurice's "liar" comment that he takes from the national media even today. Many accuse him of throwing Maurice "under the bus" and abandoning him because of the embarrassment MoC has caused the university.


Well, that's how I see it RAM. Are there details I'm overlooking? As I stated before, I would welcome MoC back if JT and AG thought it was appropriate. I would/will NEVER welcome back the media circus that seems to follow him everywhere.
 
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3 Yards, I would like to believe the way things happened is the way that you believe that they did. There is just a lot of things that also have to be taken into consideration other than the facts as you see them. Let's go as far back as the "lost" paperwork. Maybe they were lost. Maybe they were never turned in. Or maybe someone didn't want
MoC missing any practice leading into the NC game. You
have to admit that he was a VERY important part of our offense. That is what he believed. Everything he said about the incident implied that. Plus, he felt that he was being called a liar, when he knew that he wasn't. He asked to go back to the wake and/or funeral. He was told
no, like some little kid. The "war" has started.
If MoC had been the only play investigated concerning academic misconduct, how would have things turned out then? How did the TV/radio stations find out about the car incident 2 weeks after investigated? How did the police find out? How did the NCAA learn of MoC's lies to them? I don't know. But what I do know is why MoC became offensive. Because that is the best defense.
I"ve tried to make this a small version of the way I see things. Wasn't very succussful. You live around Columbus; I live around Cleveland. You're closer to the situation;maybe good, mabe not. Our ages and backgrounds are probably real different, and so we view
so things differently. That's OK. We both love the Buckeyes. That's what is important. I am NOT checking my spelling! :cheers:
 
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MoC prob. will not declair until the last min... keep all options open until you have to make a choice... I think he is all but gone to the NFL...

On a side note, what NFL players are saying they are going to gun for him? Why are the NFL players so ticked at him?
 
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RAM, as I stated before, you could very well be right. I'm not trying to change your opinion or say you are wrong. I'm just showing the information that is public knowledge and what I assume from there. Geiger could have "torpedoed" Maurice, but there is no evidence to support this conclusion. The only way to arrive at this possibility is to factor in our human experience and say:

1. Geiger is mad because Maurice called him (and the university) a liar
2. The end result is that Maurice is suspended for the entire year
3. Geiger must have taken his revenge.

A possibility to be sure, but one I don't believe happen because of AG's track record and the events I've listed previously.

As for the lost paperwork, I believe the form was for Federal Aid. I may be incorrect, but I believe the university stated they had not received the form BACK from the Federal Government. This is not at all surprising (how fast does the US government work?). Maurice sends the form to the US Government, then the government send the OK back to the university. Without the approval from the US government the school can't pay for the travel without violating NCAA rules. The school even suggested that Maurice pay for the tickets and return to attend the funeral, then the university would reimburse him when they received the paperwork back from the US government. To me that doesn't sound like they are preventing him from going back to a funeral.

As for the other points (how did the newspspers find out, etc.) I don't know. A police report is public record so they (media) wouldn't have a hard time getting it, but the timing of everything is suspect. The facts just don't add up the Geiger being "out to get" Clarret in my mind.

Anyway, it's been a fun discussion RAM. And yes, loving the Buckeyes is the most important thing ... not agreeing about a situation which we can't change and will probably never know the full truth of. Peace.
 
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From the 2/20/04 NY Times online:

Looking to Fit In, Clarett Stands Out
By LYNN ZINSER

Published: February 20, 2004

NDIANAPOLIS, Feb. 19 — Maurice Clarett was far from the most imposing player meandering through the N.F.L. combine at the RCA Dome on Thursday. He was far from the strongest, the fastest or the most accomplished. He will not even work out in front of the N.F.L. coaches and general managers gathered here to evaluate the players eligible for the draft on April 24 and 25. Those interested will have to travel to Columbus, Ohio, for that.

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But none of that mattered. Where Clarett will eventually be picked was beside the point. He was the center of attention, the former Ohio State running back who cracked open this process for young players the league had previously barred.

Clarett greeted this treatment with a shrug that has quickly become his signature. "Right now, I'm just somebody else in the draft," he said, facing a packed room at his news conference. "I don't look at myself as a groundbreaker. I'm just hoping some ball club gives me the same opportunity as somebody else."

On the heels of his successful lawsuit — an appeal is pending — that led a judge to strike down the N.F.L.'s exclusion of any player until three years after his class's high school graduation, Clarett could not hope to be thought of as just another player.

Clarett's every move is already being dissected. Some team administrators wondered aloud why Clarett, who said he needed to lose seven pounds and was not ready to work out for them, did not stay in better shape during his suspension from Ohio State. Still, nearly every team signed up for a one-on-one interview with Clarett, whose first meeting was with the Dallas Cowboys on Thursday night.

Not that it is at all unusual for a player to refuse a workout here. Last year it seemed nearly every running back declined. Giants General Manager Ernie Accorsi joked that when one, Justin Fargas, finally did run the 40-yard dash for them, he received a standing ovation.

"The one thing about this venue is, it's the same for everybody," Accorsi said. "It's very consistent. So it's frustrating. I just don't recall that many times that anybody ran here any different than what they do anywhere else. The speeds don't vary very much."

Clarett did have medical examinations on his shoulder and knee Thursday, a day restricted to physicals and interviews. Workouts begin Friday and continue through Sunday.

Whether Clarett runs well enough to impress teams is a question that will not be answered, however, until April; he is generally projected as a third-round pick.

Should his victory be upheld on appeal — Clarett has been allowed into the draft, so the outcome will not affect him — the league may face a wave of young players following his lead. Few believe high school players will consider the draft in the same numbers they do in basketball, but the effects will still be felt.

"I think what you're going to see is a number of guys who either don't like school, don't feel that good about school, get into tough situations at school, those are going to be the guys that come out early," Colts Coach Tony Dungy said. "You can look at a Randy Moss situation, where he signs at Notre Dame and doesn't go to Notre Dame, signs with Florida State and doesn't go to Florida State and ends up going a different route, either the junior college route or I-AA. And I think you're going to see a lot of cases like that in the future where they say, `Why go through all that headache?' "

Dungy said he would discourage most players from leaping to the N.F.L. early.

"I think we're encouraging people to take the easy route when the easy route is not always the best," he said.

Clarett said his troubles at Ohio State, where he was suspended for his entire sophomore season for National Collegiate Athletic Association rules violations and was investigated and cleared of academic improprieties, made this the right choice for him. But he would not speak for anyone else.

Clarett described his challenge of entering the league at age 20 as a huge one. He said that he knew he would be a marked player his first season, that league management and a lot of players do not want him to succeed.

"My first year, I feel personally there's going to be a lot of shots taken at me to see if I'm durable and mentally there," he said. "But after the first year I will be accepted into the league."

For now, Clarett will try to find acceptance in interviews with general managers and coaches who do not yet know what to think. He is the central figure at the combine and the central mystery of the draft, no matter where he ends up fitting into it.


Clarett at the Combine
 
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Here's a good one:

"Donahoe thinks that could be difficult. He didn't mince words when asked to compare Clarett's uncertain future with that of Willis McGahee, who the Bills drafted in the first round last year despite a knee injury that kept him out of all 16 games last year.
'Let's not put Clarett in the same category as McGahee,' Donahoe said. 'That's not fair to Willis. Willis attitude-wise and character-wise, that's a big difference.'"

Nice to know the Bills have cannonized McGahee. The precious little saint. :lol:
 
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Clarett Update

From the Canton Repository:

Many question what Clarett is trying to do
Sunday, February 22, 2004
By TODD PORTER Repository sports writer

AP / Michael Conroy

NFL-BOUND. Maurice Clarett ponders a question during a press conference at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis last week. Clarett, who starred as a freshman at Ohio State, has been allowed to enter the NFL Draft early following a favorable court ruling in his suit against the league.


Whether it be arrogance, confidence or a matter of law, the NFL is convinced it is fighting on a winning side. However, after two court dates, a 20-year-old running back with nine games of college football under his belt is winning.

And maybe changing the landscape of football.

Maurice Clarett arrived at the NFL scouting combine at the RCA Dome in Indianapolis last week ready to impress. Yes, he led Ohio State to a national championship in 2002. Yes, he set the school’s single-season freshman rushing record with 1,237 yards.

This is another level.

At the Pro Bowl, some of the game’s pre-eminent players were against the ruling that made Clarett eligible for April’s NFL Draft. In that setting — a Hawaiian vacation on the NFL’s nickel for the best of the best — would a player speak against the league?

“It’s a slap in our face to have a high school kid come out and think he could step up to a league where 100 percent of the combatants are men,” Miami linebacker Zach Thomas said. “This is a whole different story on this level. I’m really against this.”

“It gives people a false impression that they can be bigger than the league, bigger than the game,” Washington linebacker Lavar Arrington said. “This is some serious stuff. There are some serious killers in this game. ... They have grown-men bodies and speed you’ve never seen before. You have to learn what’s going on physically and emotionally. The NFL is not for kids.”

Clarett cannot be considered a kid, at least not on the outside. His handlers say he is in the best shape of his life. The scale, however, says otherwise.

He is working with a trainer in order to wow NFL scouts with a 40-yard time that pushes 4.5. At a press conference in New York, Clarett appeared pudgy, but former teammates say he has been working out. He weighed 237 pounds, about 10 pounds heavier than he was listed with Ohio State. A session with reporters did not exactly impress NFL writers, and some NFL executives ridiculed the fact Clarett did not work out.

Mentally, is Clarett mature enough to play in the NFL?

“Can they trust me? I think so,” he said. “When I sit down with these GMs and head coaches, I think they’ll have a good understanding of me, where I’m coming from, the certain way I act about certain things, the certain way I feel about a lot of things. There’s so many tests here, they can pretty much find out anything they want. They don’t have the chance to pick up a paper. They finally get to meet me now.”

Clarett does not have to convince 32 teams he is prepared for the NFL. He just needs one team to believe him. Will physical ability cast a tall shadow on mental maturity for a team needing a running back?

It didn’t take long for Clarett to capitalize on his professional status. A Columbus-based memorabilia shop paid him to sign autographs last weekend. A source close to the running back said he earned as much as $25,000 from more than one dealer.

If that is the case, yes, he has turned pro. Two agents said Clarett is leaning toward veteran NFL agent Jimmy Sexton. Clarett said he is between a couple and still interviewing agents. If Clarett signs with Sexton, it could prove to be the best move he has made since becoming embroiled in the NCAA investigation. The NFL Players Association said Clarett has not submitted the necessary paperwork linking him with an agent yet.

It is a dicey move. Even after Judge Shira A. Scheindlin ruled in Clarett’s favor, he refused to declare for the draft. Only after Scheindlin denied the league’s motion for a stay did Clarett’s attorney, Alan C. Milstein, say he would enter the draft.

It could be a mistake if NFL executives are to be believed. The league is confident of victory in appeals court. Legal experts believe the NFL’s chances of prevailing are slim.

Browns President and CEO Carmen Policy believes the ruling was flawed. A key question is whether or not the league’s rule, requiring three years to have passed since a player’s graduation from high school, is a part of the collective bargaining agreement, thereby exempt from antitrust laws.

The NFL and its players association says it is. Milstein and Scheindlin say otherwise. The rule is found in the league’s bylaws, not directly in the bargaining agreement. However, the NFLPA votes on the NFL constitution and bylaws when the latest labor agreement was put in place in 1993.

“I don’t think it’s going to impact teams in the National Football League because that decision is so preliminary and short-lived,” said Policy, a former lawyer. “It may only impact the league in terms of one player, and that’s Maurice Clarett. I do believe, from a legal standpoint, the decision will be reversed in the court of appeals.

“For that reason, you could almost understand why the judge didn’t grant the stay for the league. Part of the reason is the league had to show irreparable harm, and we had a hard time showing that.”

There are three key parts of Scheindlin ruling. The NFL would have to show each one was flawed in order to convince the appeals court. In addition to the question about whether the rule is part of the bargaining agreement, Scheindlin said the NFLPA cannot bargain away rights of a non-member, in this case, Clarett. Also, in order to be exempt from antitrust laws, the rules, Scheindlin wrote, the agreement has to be restricted to wages, hours and conditions of employment.

“A (bargaining agreement) can take parties beyond the normal restrictions created by antitrust law, and they supersede or trump antitrust law,” Policy said. “It’s just like our ability to say you’re not a free agent until after four accredited seasons. ... It’s all part and parcel to a collective bargaining agreement and therefore should not be controlled by a trial judge.”

Of the three major sports, the NFL is the only one that prevents 18-year-olds from turning pro.

NBA Commissioner David Stern, formerly the NBA’s lawyer, believes the NFL will prevail on appeal. His league accepts teenagers. Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary star LeBron James made the jump and is playing remarkably well.

“The Clarett decision was wrongly decided as a matter of law and will likely be reversed on appeal,” Stern said recently. “The sort of uniform history on cases like this in the Second Circuit court, where the case was decided, and the United States Supreme Court, we think the judge’s decision will be reversed.”

The NBA is a different sport. The NFL is a bruising, often short-lived career on Sunday afternoons.

“This isn’t basketball, where your goal is to come out and throw a ball through a hole,” said Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis. “Every other sport is different, because our sport revolves around such physical activity.

“The body has to go through years of maturing against injury. You might catch a phenomenon coming out, but it’ll hurt more than it helps. Maurice is a friend, but ... the longevity of what they are trying to execute is impossible.”

It is too early to say if the Clarett ruling will open the floodgates to teenagers. It has only given two players — Clarett and Pittsburgh receiver Larry Fitzgerald — the opportunity to be drafted this year. The NFL cleared Fitzgerald’s request to enter the draft within 24 hours of the Clarett decision. However, he served a year at a prep school and technically has been out of high school for three years.

The chance to earn millions as a pro athlete may be too big of a dream to pass up. But agents will try to convince players to leave college for the NFL.

Stern bristles at the thought.

“It would be a good thing to somehow use ourselves to focus attention on the fact that a youngster who thinks he’s coming to the NBA is, as Arthur Ashe pointed out, much more likely to become a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon than an NBA player,” Stern said. “I don’t mean to cast aspersions on either the maturity or the basketball capacity of 19-year-olds. I just think it would be a good idea as a league if we were not associated with the prospect of pulling kids who are now 10, bouncing the ball and telling their parents they are going to be the next LeBron James. Everybody ... knows they are not, then they will be left with virtually nothing.”

You can reach Repository sports writer Todd Porter at (330) 580-8340 or e-mail:

[email protected]

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He's certainly not helping himself...

As much as I hate to start a MoC thread, this was too much.

I just read an article in Sports Illustrated about the NFL combine. In it, they mentioned what Clarett was up to:

-When asked what kind of player any team that drafted him would be getting, he said- "I don't know, cool."

-In Feb. he scheduled workouts with Cris Carter in FL and blew them off.

-Stated that he's not working out for scouts for another 6 weeks.

Who does he think he is?

The last sentence of the article- "Scouts and coaches didn't see enough of him (Clarett) in Indianapolis and weren't much impressed with what they did see."
 
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1st rounder no doubt

Dude's a headcase. As much as I want former Buckeyes to succeed, I don't give a rat's rectum about this guy.


DEBuckeye said:
As much as I hate to start a MoC thread, this was too much.

I just read an article in Sports Illustrated about the NFL combine. In it, they mentioned what Clarett was up to:

-When asked what kind of player any team that drafted him would be getting, he said- "I don't know, cool."

-In Feb. he scheduled workouts with Cris Carter in FL and blew them off.

-Stated that he's not working out for scouts for another 6 weeks.

Who does he think he is?

The last sentence of the article- "Scouts and coaches didn't see enough of him (Clarett) in Indianapolis and weren't much impressed with what they did see."
 
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If my memory serves me corectly he ad an appointment for a meeting last summer with one of the guys inducted into the Hall of Fame, and he blew him off as well... it is safe to say that it is well documented that he has yet to grow up...

I hope he matures fast... lord knows his advisors aren't doing a good job handling him either...
 
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gberbuck: IIRC, that meeting was "set up" by the HOF player on his own without even clearing it through Clarett first. Maurice acts stupid a lot, but I have to cut him some slack in that case.
 
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