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RB Ezekiel Elliott (All B1G, All-American, National Champion, Pro Bowl, All Pro, Dallas Cowboys)

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Jagdaddy said:
If you're talking about 2009, the Gators were 13-1 and 10th nationally in scoring at 36.5 PPG. They threw for 236 YPG and ran for 221 YPG. Tebow completed 68% of his passes for 9.2 YPA and a 21-5 TD to INT ratio against the #8 SOS in the country. If you're talking about 2007, the Gators were 3d nationally in scoring at 42.5 PPG. They threw for 257 YPG and rushed for 200 YPG. Tebow completed 67% of his passes for 9.4 YPA and a 32-6 TD-INT ratio against the #4 SOS in the country (the Gator D was lousy that year and they lost 4 games because of it). The Gators rebounded to win the NC in 2008 as the defense improved dramatically and gave up only 12.9 PPG (#4 nationally) while the offense scored 43.6 PPG (4th nationally) against the #5 SOS.

So, what we have is evidence that: (1) Urban can lose good assistants and still run a successful offense; (2) Urban can come back from a rough and disappointing post-NC year, win another NC, and then win a "disappointing" 13 games the next year.

I don't know if OSU will come out with a vicious edge next week, if they will mail it in, or if they will fight hard but fail in the booth and on the field in executing the offense. Regardless, I fully expect the Buckeyes to lose at least three games next year, and maybe as many as five, in a 2004-like season of rebuilding on both sides of the ball as the nation rejoices in the "end" of Urban and posts heart attack memes everywhere (with a Beck canning and good replacement hire, maybe the O rebounds and they do better than I think even with what will almost certainly be a worse defense). But 2016 will end with an "upset" over scUM and a win in a bowl that nobody pays much attention to before a hungry, disrespected, Buckeye TEAM begins the next great run in 2017.
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What 3-5 teams do you see OSU losing to? The Big 10 is losing a good chunk of talent between Hackenburg, Cook, Burbridge, Butt, Howard, etc, so I don't see how OSU still wouldn't have more talent than most of the Big 10 east teams.
 
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pnuts34 said:
The Big 10 is losing a good chunk of talent between Hackenburg, Cook, Burbridge, Butt, Howard, etc, so I don't see how OSU still wouldn't have more talent than most of the Big 10 east teams.
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We are also going to be losing a big chunk of talent. The O-line comes to mind. With Decker, Farris, Boren and possibly Elfein (if he comes out early). And then there is Elliott, Jones, Bosa, Washington, Hale, Perry, Vannett and Miller. Do Thomas and Bell stay?
 
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pnuts34 said:
What 3-5 teams do you see OSU losing to? The Big 10 is losing a good chunk of talent between Hackenburg, Cook, Burbridge, Butt, Howard, etc, so I don't see how OSU still wouldn't have more talent than most of the Big 10 east teams.
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At OU, at least one of the back to back games at PSU and at Wiscy, and at least one of at MSU (or, God forbid, at home against scUM). Now, if someone comes in and gets JT back to being 2014 JT then I'm probably too pessimistic, but the offense loses, at a minimum Zeke, Decker, Farris, Boren, Vannett, Miller, Corey Smith, and Jones, will presumably also lose Thomas, and might well lose Elflein as well. The defense loses Perry, Washington, Schutt, Hale, Bosa (assumed), probably Bell and Lee, and maybe even Apple. Sure, there's unproven talent behind them, but I can't imagaine it not taking a while to get things going, especially if only one starting OL returns.
 
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No problem with what Zeke said. He was right on all accounts. Play calling was terrible. I was with the mind of many saying zeke didn't need more carries, because he wasn't getting anywhere. But then zeke mentioned they ran a different blocking scheme on the TD drive, where we were getting some 5-6 yard runs, and after that drive they stopped calling those blocking schemes. I don't know much about this but it seems to me that last year when we struggled to run, all of a sudden the line would change the scheme to adjust and start gashing the defense. He is frustrated. We are all frustrated. I think he also made a good point when he calls out 'whoever is calling the plays'. He doesn't know, we don't know. That's a problem. Is Warriner calling the plays, is Beck calling the plays? Meyer says some of the play calling was on him, but he never seems involved in the play calling unless it's a 'go for it on 4th' type of play call. This co-coordinator shit always pisses me off. It's just another way of being indecisive.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
No problem with what Zeke said. He was right on all accounts. Play calling was terrible. I was with the mind of many saying zeke didn't need more carries, because he wasn't getting anywhere. But then zeke mentioned they ran a different blocking scheme on the TD drive, where we were getting some 5-6 yard runs, and after that drive they stopped calling those blocking schemes. I don't know much about this but it seems to me that last year when we struggled to run, all of a sudden the line would change the scheme to adjust and start gashing the defense. He is frustrated. We are all frustrated. I think he also made a good point when he calls out 'whoever is calling the plays'. He doesn't know, we don't know. That's a problem. Is Warriner calling the plays, is Beck calling the plays? Meyer says some of the play calling was on him, but he never seems involved in the play calling unless it's a 'go for it on 4th' type of play call. This co-coordinator [Mark May] always pisses me off. It's just another way of being indecisive.
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Indecisive has been the theme for they whole year, with the QB's, with Braxton, playcalling, play callers, etc.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
No problem with what Zeke said. He was right on all accounts. Play calling was terrible. I was with the mind of many saying zeke didn't need more carries, because he wasn't getting anywhere. But then zeke mentioned they ran a different blocking scheme on the TD drive, where we were getting some 5-6 yard runs, and after that drive they stopped calling those blocking schemes. I don't know much about this but it seems to me that last year when we struggled to run, all of a sudden the line would change the scheme to adjust and start gashing the defense. He is frustrated. We are all frustrated. I think he also made a good point when he calls out 'whoever is calling the plays'. He doesn't know, we don't know. That's a problem. Is Warriner calling the plays, is Beck calling the plays? Meyer says some of the play calling was on him, but he never seems involved in the play calling unless it's a 'go for it on 4th' type of play call. This co-coordinator [Mark May] always pisses me off. It's just another way of being indecisive.
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Meyer doesn't call the plays he was just taking the blame like a strong leader does. I fail to think Meyer with his aggressive nature would allow for 130 yards of offense.

As for next year we will be more than fine. Only threats I see is MSU in conference and of course Oklahoma out of conference. I think the Oklahoma game could be ugly because they have some important pieces coming back. However PSU, MSU, Wisconsin and scum all will be replacing their QBs. We have a lot of young but unproven talent ready to take over and as far as the skill positions go we will be fine IMO. where the development is key is up front on both sides.

To be honest it will be nice to have more true WRS in the fold next year with Brown, hopefully Gibson, Mack and corey. Then we also return the trio of jalin, Dontre and Samuel

I suppose tho if Beck still has control it may not really matter. Reason Joe Burrow didn't like Beck in the recruiting world...
 
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WoodyWorshiper said:
I don't give a rat's ass what Zeke said after the game and who is either offended by it or impressed with it. Truth be told, this kid has given one hell of alot more to this University than any of us could have ever expected. Without him, we lose 35-6 last year to Alabama and never play Oregon for the title. MSU is the biggest thorn in my ass that exists. They did it to my favorite team of all-time (1974) and maybe the best team we ever had here (1998). Add to that 2013 and today and THERE YOU GO! Time to regroup and go kick the fuck out of scUM. And knowing what I know about Zeke, I'd expect about 175 rushing and a couple TD's.

Thank you young man, for all that you've done for us Buckeye fans. Now go kick the [Mark May] out of tsun and we'll see how the chips fall.

Peace
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My man
 
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Jagdaddy said:
If you're talking about 2009, the Gators were 13-1 and 10th nationally in scoring at 36.5 PPG. They threw for 236 YPG and ran for 221 YPG. Tebow completed 68% of his passes for 9.2 YPA and a 21-5 TD to INT ratio against the #8 SOS in the country. If you're talking about 2007, the Gators were 3d nationally in scoring at 42.5 PPG. They threw for 257 YPG and rushed for 200 YPG. Tebow completed 67% of his passes for 9.4 YPA and a 32-6 TD-INT ratio against the #4 SOS in the country (the Gator D was lousy that year and they lost 4 games because of it). The Gators rebounded to win the NC in 2008 as the defense improved dramatically and gave up only 12.9 PPG (#4 nationally) while the offense scored 43.6 PPG (4th nationally) against the #5 SOS.

So, what we have is evidence that: (1) Urban can lose good assistants and still run a successful offense; (2) Urban can come back from a rough and disappointing post-NC year, win another NC, and then win a "disappointing" 13 games the next year.

I don't know if OSU will come out with a vicious edge next week, if they will mail it in, or if they will fight hard but fail in the booth and on the field in executing the offense. Regardless, I fully expect the Buckeyes to lose at least three games next year, and maybe as many as five, in a 2004-like season of rebuilding on both sides of the ball as the nation rejoices in the "end" of Urban and posts heart attack memes everywhere (with a Beck canning and good replacement hire, maybe the O rebounds and they do better than I think even with what will almost certainly be a worse defense). But 2016 will end with an "upset" over scUM and a win in a bowl that nobody pays much attention to before a hungry, disrespected, Buckeye TEAM begins the next great run in 2017.
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Bravo. Perfect post
 
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IMO this was Zeke taking the bullet for the rest of the offensive players that will be back next year. I don't think anyone expected him to come back next year so if these statement help Meyer reassess the offensive staff and make a change it's worth it. I have no doubt that even if Warinner is calling most of the plays that Beck is the main problem. That might not mean that Beck isn't a good coach, he just isn't the type of QB coach/OC that this team needs. I don't mind Co-OC's, but we need an upgrade at QB coach over Beck and he needs to be able to call the game offensively. I think it's pretty well established that Herman is as good of a QB coach as there is so that's what Meyer needs to find for this staff.
 
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Anyone read Urban's book yet...Above the Line? I love Zeke and from what I've heard, he's a terrific kid! But unfortunately, Zeke's interview had an awful lot of BCD in it....certainly not part of the leadership principles Urban stands on.
 
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