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In summary, what wdg01 is saying is that:

Eight teams ran the ball better against Michigan than we did when discounting the QB rushes.

Two teams rushed for 6+ ypc and a third rushed for 5.3 ypc against Michigan.

The average of all other teams' non-QB rushing against Michigan was 3.8 ypc, while we managed less than 2.1 ypc, and most of those yards were from behind our own 30-yard line.
 
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brutus2002 said:
All I know is we had a 99 and 97 yard drive against Michigan. I wonder when was the last time that happened.
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All I know is that our running game from the 30-yard line had all but zero to do with either drives. Read the thread. In fact, here's what our RBs did in those two drives:

99-YARD DRIVE:
Joe, Branden rush over right tackle from OSU 1 to OSU 8 (7 yards)
Joe, Branden rush over left guard from OSU 8 to OSU 18 (10 yards)
Joe, Branden rush over left end from OSU 18 to OSU 18 (no gain)
Ross, Lydell rush up middle from OSU 38 to OSU 41 (3 yards)
Joe, Branden rush over left guard from MICH 6 to MICH 2 (4 yards)

97-YARD DRIVE:
Joe, Branden rush over left guard from OSU 3 to OSU 15 (12 yards)
Hall, Maurice rush over left tackle from OSU 15 to OSU 15 (no gain)
Pittman, Antonio rush over left tackle from OSU 34 to OSU 40 (6 yards)
Pittman, Antonio rush over left tackle from OSU 40 to OSU 41 (1 yard)
Ross, Lydell rush over right guard from MICH 18 to MICH 15 (3 yards)
Ross, Lydell rush over left tackle from MICH 15 to MICH 12 (3 yards)

After Joe's first two runs in the 99-yard drive, our RBs had three carries for seven yards (2.3 ypc). After Joe's first carry in the 97-yard drive, our RBs had five carries for 13 yards (2.6 ypc).
 
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Mili & wdg01

What is most striking in that running average table (excluding QB) is this

There are 3 different styles of offense that provided these huge Per Rush gains.

NW Big Back -- but often do better with runs out of a spread than they do from anything resembling a power formation, use the QB as part of the running game,

MSU -- closer to a balance of run and pass, QB mobility depends on who was at the helm (though QB mobility played a role in the MSU vs sCUM game the RBs took a huge share of the load);

and then

Minn -- Certainly the nearest thing to a pure power running game, though always with QB mobility, tendency is for passing to be a last resort or honesty maker play.

So -- what does all this mean for tOSU --

that in 2004 the ground game was poor to non-existent? Yep.

What does it mean for tOSU in 2005 -- well we might get a glimpse of that future in 3rd full week of April.
 
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Mistake to only isolate RB's for rushing

I think it's a mistake to isolate the RB's rushing stats. Why? It's un-Tressel like. He would be the first to tell you that Craig Krenzel was the rushing leader for our team in the NC game. It bugs me when the press says Maurice Clarrett led us to a NC. Hell, he wasn't even the best rusher ON OUR TEAM that day.

Yards on the ground are yards on the ground. OL still has to block and the rusher needs to allude tacklers.

Zwick can run, pass and block. Smith is incredibly coachable and can't be paired up with the likes of Stanley Jackson and Steve Bellisari. Both of our present guys are incredibly talented. But yards on the ground are yards on the ground, even Woody would prefer a QB run to a pass.
 
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BuckBojangles said:
I think it's a mistake to isolate the RB's rushing stats. Why? It's un-Tressel like. He would be the first to tell you that Craig Krenzel was the rushing leader for our team in the NC game. It bugs me when the press says Maurice Clarrett led us to a NC. Hell, he wasn't even the best rusher ON OUR TEAM that day.

Yards on the ground are yards on the ground. OL still has to block and the rusher needs to allude tacklers...
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"Un-Tressel like"? Tressel will run the ball with his RBs when he can, i.e. when they are effective. In 2001 at YSU he had two 1,000-yard rushers, which led them to their first of four national titles. And just because Krenzel was our leading rusher in the Fiesta Bowl doesn't negate the fact the Miami's top priority was shutting down Clarett. In fact, the only reason why Krenzel ran for some much yardage is that Miami shut down Clarett and put so much pressure on Krenzel he was forced to run...in no way was it be any design for Krenzel to be our leading rusher.

As for "yards on the ground are yards on the ground", that's true only to an extent. A team should gain most of its rushing yardage via their running backs. Why do you think they're called "running" backs? :roll1:

A team that relies mainly on its QB for rushing yardage is flirting with disaster.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
"Un-Tressel like"? Tressel will run the ball with his RBs when he can, i.e. when they are effective. In 2001 at YSU he had two 1,000-yard rushers, which led them to their first of four national *** les. And just because Krenzel was our leading rusher in the Fiesta Bowl doesn't negate the fact the Miami's top priority was shutting down Clarett. In fact, the only reason why Krenzel ran for some much yardage is that Miami shut down Clarett and put so much pressure on Krenzel he was forced to run...in no way was it be any design for Krenzel to be our leading rusher.

As for "yards on the ground are yards on the ground", that's true only to an extent. A team should gain most of its rushing yardage via their running backs. Why do you think they're called "running" backs? :roll1:

A team that relies mainly on its QB for rushing yardage is flirting with disaster.
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Well, Tressel wasn't at YSU in 2001, but I know thats a typo. Second, I agree with you that Miami's main prioity was to stop clarett and force Krenzel to throw. Thats why Krenzel ran out of the shotgun formation so many times. The play according to tressel was called the shotgun46. When Krenzel was in shotgun, miami had no choice but to at least give the pass a 50% chance of happening and the guards were able to get a jump on the linebackers.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
And just because Krenzel was our leading rusher in the Fiesta Bowl doesn't negate the fact the Miami's top priority was shutting down Clarett. In fact, the only reason why Krenzel ran for some much yardage is that Miami shut down Clarett and put so much pressure on Krenzel he was forced to run...in no way was it be any design for Krenzel to be our leading rusher.

As for "yards on the ground are yards on the ground", that's true only to an extent. A team should gain most of its rushing yardage via their running backs. Why do you think they're called "running" backs? :roll1:

A team that relies mainly on its QB for rushing yardage is flirting with disaster.
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Actually, an integral part of the game plan for OSU in that game was to have Krenzel run out of the shot gun. It was something the JT saw in the film study that he felt they could use to exploit a weakness in Miami's defense. Specifically, JT had realized that running QB's had success against Miami since Miami used mostly man defenses and also tend to overpursue. So JT formulated in the game plan to spread the defense, put CK in shotgun, and run him off tackle. The play was called 46Q and it was an integral part of the overall game plan.

While MoC may have been "neutralized" in the game running the ball, some of that had to do with the overall game plan by JT while some of it had to do with a very good Miami defense determined to stop him as well.
 
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CK did not run much when Clarett was healthy and running over people. It's part of JT's strategy yes, but we don't recruit Vince Young's to play at tOSU. We recruit CK's. Smart, big, fairly agile, makes smart decisions.

JT prefers to run with a RB any day of the week. We have NOT had a healthy, effective RB since JWells. We did for a little while in 02, and when we did we saw Clarett carrying the team.
 
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BuckeyeFROMscUM said:
CK did not run much when Clarett was healthy and running over people. It's part of JT's strategy yes, but we don't recruit Vince Young's to play at tOSU. We recruit CK's. Smart, big, fairly agile, makes smart decisions.

JT prefers to run with a RB any day of the week. We have NOT had a healthy, effective RB since JWells. We did for a little while in 02, and when we did we saw Clarett carrying the team.
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This has nothing to do with the game plan for the NC game against Miami. JT saw a weakness and game planned for it which had nothing to do with the health of MoC and nothing to do with the type of QB we had. Yes JT wants to run a RB, who doesn't. But that is why it is called a game plan and exploiting the other team's weakness.
 
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