Ravens at Browns(-1.5)

[ScriptOhio]

The Browns are fucking terrible; besides "keep on losing" there are four options:

1. replace the coach
2. replace all the under achieving players
3. both of the above
4. move the team to LA, hope Cleveland gets a new expansion team, and start over.

 

[OH10]

Like I said, bring in Brady. Let's see what he can do. If and when he sucks worse, then Browns fans can go back to being the miserable assholes they are back when we had no hope.

Everyone is bitching about the last four drives. The coaching staff shut down the offense. Shut it the fuck down. Why? Ask them. Then when the defense sh it the bed, they ask the offense to dust off the cobwebs and save the day. It ain't that simple.

 

[billmac91]

Little...if you really want to get deep about it, we're starting 2 CB's who would have trouble being nicklebacks on most teams. Seriously, that IS NOT an exagerration, our CB's are that inexperienced and sub-par. The fact that Terry Cousins is our starting Nickleback, says about all you need to know about the secondary.

But, even after accepting the above informagtion, this team has been in position to beat Pittsburgh and Baltimore today. Every game is going to have it's up and downs, but Braylon has cost us both of these games, IMO. Yes, he caught a difficult throw today that maybe should have been picked, but those are the types of plays we expected him to make as the #3 overall pick several years ago. He cost us a competitive outing against Dallas, he cost a W against Pittsburgh, and he cost a W today, IMO.

I thought the O-line gave Derrick plenty of time today, and I think they've done a decent job overall this year. Somehow, one of the best playcallers in the NFL last year, has turned to [censored] at times this year. I don't fault Chud for not getting the run game going today, but how does DA get as much time in the pocket as he had at times today, without anywhere to go with the ball. Something is off....

1. The routes for the WR's are often in the same area...why does that happen? Braylon caught a 20-30 yard throw in front of Steptoe down the field...why are they even within 10 yards of each other?

2. How much time does it take for our routes to develop? Are our routes that bad, or can I guys just not get open? Or does DA just do a terrible job of finding the open man? The diffiuclt thing about this for me, is that DA did an excellent job last year of hitting his back foot and getting rid of the ball. This year, he has hung in the pocket, taking sacks, thrown into coverage, etc. The pass-pro has been pretty solid, IMO....why are we having such trouble getting open receivers. Personally, I think the of Joe Jurevicious has hurt, and Donte Stallworth being hurt every week has hurt, but I think Chud is having a rough year.

 

[LitlBuck]

Little...if you really want to get deep about it, we're starting 2 CB's who would have trouble being nicklebacks on most teams. Seriously, that IS NOT an exagerration, our CB's are that inexperienced and sub-par. The fact that Terry Cousins is our starting Nickleback, says about all you need to know about the secondary.
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I agree with you and I has said that about Cousins in previous posts. Regarding our cornerbacks, I know they're bad and that's why you should not leave them on an island all by themselves. They need some safety help.

 

[billmac91]

I agree with you and I has said that about Cousins in previous posts. Regarding our cornerbacks, I know they're bad and that's why you should not leave them on an island all by themselves. They need some safety help.

I understand what your're saying. Pick your poison though....you take the safeties out of the box, and Ray Rice takes 5-6 yards a carry. Put the safeties in the box, and Derrick Mason looks like Jerry Rice out there. That is a peronsel problem...Mel Tucker is still working with a weak hand. Up until today, I think the dfense has done a pretty good job.

This team was dependent upon the offense from day 1, and I think everyone knew the O had to be explosive to win. It's frustrating when an offense with as many weapons as the Browns have, cannot exploit any weaknesses and have ZERO consistency from drive to drive. My finger is not pointed at DA, but directly at the coaching staff.

 

[NFBuck]

Like I said, bring in Brady. Let's see what he can do. If and when he sucks worse, then Browns fans can go back to being the miserable assholes they are back when we had no hope.

I love this "holier-than-thou" attitude from fans of pro teams. What are we supposed to do following a loss like that? "Hey, good 1 1/2 quarters Derek, don't worry about those three horrible throws you made in the 4th quarter!", please. These aren't college kids out there...they're multi-millionaires whose job it is to play a game. If they play like shit or make a crucial mistake, I'm gonna call 'em on it.

Everyone is bitching about the last four drives. The coaching staff shut down the offense. Shut it the fuck down. Why? Ask them. Then when the defense sh it the bed, they ask the offense to dust off the cobwebs and save the day. It ain't that simple.

Yep, and that's why I personally bitched about the coaches as well. However, when it came down to DA making a play, he made three ill-advised throws including the fucking bush league pick-six. I don't know what the big difference is from last year. Is he not going through his progressions? Is he simply that inconsistent? Like I have said, not all of the blame is his, the fucking drops from that scUM reciever haven't helped anything, but you cannot say he's getting the job done. One minute he looks all-world, then the next he looks like Craig fuckin' Whelihan. I'd rather have consistent shit showers than occasional beer showers followed almost immediately by a shit downpour.

 

[OH10]

NFBuck - 99% of your bitching is about Derek Anderson. When you actually do blame the coaches, its because they don't replace Derek Anderson.

Anyone that watched the game turn from 27-13 to 30-27 (against a team led by Joe Flacco and Ray Rice no less) knows that most of the blame goes to the coaches and the defense. In two consecutive possessions during that stretch, the playing calling went: 1st down - Run; 2nd down and 9 or 10 - run; 3rd down and 8 or 9. And one of these third downs should have been a touchdown because of a terrific pass by Derek Anderson - which has been completely overlooked here in my opinion.

Replace Derek Anderson with Brady Quinn in that game and you're not going to make the running game better. It would actually get worse because Brady can't stretch the field like DA. Putting Brady in would not have made the defense play any better. And it certainly would not have made Romeo's clock management or the offensive playcalling better.

So save some of your angst for team issues unrelated to DA. Otherwise, you might miss a complete team disaster going on.

 

[BuckeyeBooks]

Great posts here by BestBuckeye, billmac, and NF. Braylon Edwards was the reason they lost thaat game today, as I see it. You p.i.s.s. away a 14 point lead in about 90 seconds. Then, your QB responds with a perfectly thrown 45 yard toss that hits his "All'Pro" receiver right in stride. That play should have stopped all of the momentum that Balt. had gained.

That kid (#17) is a joke. He represents as nothing but a punk-A$$ muther-f.u.c.k.e.r. His chest-pumping self high-fives are embarassing. This is one jerkoff who should just toss the ball to the ref on the rare occasion that he does something good, because the next 3 times his name gets called it may likely be for, well, what we saw today.

 

[NightmaresDad]

I understand what your're saying. Pick your poison though....you take the safeties out of the box, and Ray Rice takes 5-6 yards a carry. Put the safeties in the box, and Derrick Mason looks like Jerry Rice out there. That is a peronsel problem...Mel Tucker is still working with a weak hand. Up until today, I think the dfense has done a pretty good job.

This team was dependent upon the offense from day 1, and I think everyone knew the O had to be explosive to win. It's frustrating when an offense with as many weapons as the Browns have, cannot exploit any weaknesses and have ZERO consistency from drive to drive. My finger is not pointed at DA, but directly at the coaching staff.

Rice averaged over 7 yards per carry anyway.

I think the safeties are much the weaker link when it comes to pass defense.

Our LBs are the worst Lb corps in the league, and have been forever. I can't believe their standards are so low as to be high on D'Qwell Jackson.

Oh yeah, and BRAYLON EDWARDS MUST GO!!!!!!!

 

[iambrutus]

4. move the team to LA, hope Cleveland gets a new expansion team, and start over.

dont try to take 2 wins from the steelers that easily!

 

[LitlBuck]

NFBuck - 99% of your bitching is about Derek Anderson. When you actually do blame the coaches, its because they don't replace Derek Anderson.

Anyone that watched the game turn from 27-13 to 30-27 (against a team led by Joe Flacco and Ray Rice no less) knows that most of the blame goes to the coaches and the defense. In two consecutive possessions during that stretch, the playing calling went: 1st down - Run; 2nd down and 9 or 10 - run; 3rd down and 8 or 9. And one of these third downs should have been a touchdown because of a terrific pass by Derek Anderson - which has been completely overlooked here in my opinion.

Replace Derek Anderson with Brady Quinn in that game and you're not going to make the running game better. It would actually get worse because Brady can't stretch the field like DA. Putting Brady in would not have made the defense play any better. And it certainly would not have made Romeo's clock management or the offensive playcalling better.

So save some of your angst for team issues unrelated to DA. Otherwise, you might miss a complete team disaster going on.

I guess you never thought about the possibility that the reason the coaching staff might have called run, run, pass was that because they might not have a whole lot of confidence in DA's passing abilities or how he sees the entire field. Just throwing that out there for you to chew on.

You also make quite a bit few assumptions about Quinn not being able to do certain things. I don't know how you can do that when you have never seen him play in the NFL. I hope you are not making those assumptions based on his play at Notre Dame because that was two years ago and you really have no idea what his arm strength might be now or how he does make decisions. Please don't let your hatred for Notre Dame enter in to your decision about whether or not he should get some playing time. If my decision was based on that, I would have never one of the Browns to draft him. In addition, I don't think you want to compare DA's career at Oregon State:( with that of Quinn's at Notre Dame.

The problem with DA is his inconsistency. He can play very well one game and then.... I will admit that Edwards dropping that pass probably cost the Browns the game but you really never know what the Browns anymore.

The Browns are going to have to play Quinn sooner or later this season or they will be stuck with a #1 draft choice sitting on the bench again next season unless the Browns showcase him for a few games this season. They better start doing that before it is too late and other teams will not have a very good read on him or get too good of a read on Anderson.

Please do not look back at last season's stats for Anderson because they were all put up against opponents with very poor pass defenses. Quinn could have probably even put up very good numbers against those teams.

I guess my question to you is what do you want to do with Quinn. Just let him sit until his contract expires or what. You really don't know what he came do in an NFL game until he plays in one. Anderson has shown what he can do and since we aren't going anyplace this year why not give Quincy a chance. This is a short week so you will probably see DA playing against Denver and he might put up good numbers and then the carousel will start again.

 

[OH10]

I don't know how many times I have to say it: I agree they should try out Quinn. The season is over. Give the kid a chance to prove me wrong.

Ideally, Derek Anderson would have played with more consistency this season because he has shown the ability to be a true gunslinger. That would have given the Browns an opportunity to trade Quinn high before he had a chance to prove that he wasn't worth the price. Now they can't.

Anderson has sh it the bed at times. Although I don't blame him for many of the struggles with this team, you do have to play Quinn and see who he is. But this season and this team's future would have been much better if we didn't need to find out.

All that said, I've never been convinced that Brady Quinn could handle a pass rush or throw a deep bomb. Maybe his energy drink and all that weight-lifting will prove to be the difference. But at the end of the day, I believe right now that Derek Anderson, with all of his flaws, is still the best quarterback on the team. And that's a sad state for the Browns.

 

[LitlBuck]

I don't know how many times I have to say it: I agree they should try out Quinn. The season is over. Give the kid a chance to prove me wrong.

The season wasn't really "over" until yesterday.

Ideally, Derek Anderson would have played with more consistency this season because he has shown the ability to be a true gunslinger. That would have given the Browns an opportunity to trade Quinn high before he had a chance to prove that he wasn't worth the price. Now they can't.

I think we must be looking at different statistics. The only time Anderson was a "gunslinger" was when he played against teams with losing records or bad defenses last year. Okay, I will admit that he put up a win against the Giants this year but I do not think New York played very well that game. Anyhow, kudos to DA for a beating the Giants.


You were going to trade Quinn before you would even see when he would do in an NFL game. That doesn't make a whole lot sense to me when even you admit that Anderson has been inconsistent.

Anderson has sh it the bed at times. Although I don't blame him for many of the struggles with this team, you do have to play Quinn and see who he is. But this season and this team's future would have been much better if we didn't need to find out.

All that said, I've never been convinced that Brady Quinn could handle a pass rush or throw a deep bomb. Maybe his energy drink and all that weight-lifting will prove to be the difference. But at the end of the day, I believe right now that Derek Anderson, with all of his flaws, is still the best quarterback on the team. And that's a sad state for the Browns.

I am still confused about how you can judge Quinn without ever seeing him play an NFL regular-season game was a first-team offensive line. DA has a few inches on most NFL QB's and I have never seen so many passes batted down at the line of scrimmage by one QB.

I really wish he would tell us what you want to do with Quinn.

 

[OH10]

The season wasn't really "over" until yesterday.

And your point is??

I think we must be looking at different statistics. The only time Anderson was a "gunslinger" was when he played against teams with losing records or bad defenses last year. Okay, I will admit that he put up a win against the Giants this year but I do not think New York played very well that game. Anyhow, kudos to DA for a beating the Giants.

So the only way he could have beaten a good team was if they played bad. And I suppose that pass Braylon dropped yesterday was DA's fault as well.

You were going to trade Quinn before you would even see when he would do in an NFL game. That doesn't make a whole lot sense to me when even you admit that Anderson has been inconsistent.

Re-read the post. I was hoping DA would prove this year that he could be consistent. And then, yes, I would absolutely have traded Quinn without playing him. The odds of Quinn being a success are low. If you don't have to worry about him being exposed, and you can get value in return, you do it. Because DA has been inconsistent, the Browns no longer have that luxury.

I am still confused about how you can judge Quinn without ever seeing him play an NFL regular-season game was a first-team offensive line. DA has a few inches on most NFL QB's and I have never seen so many passes batted down at the line of scrimmage by one QB.

When Phil Savage got desperate last year and inked DA to that 3 year/24 million deal, I knew he wasn't sold on Quinn. That, coupled with Quinn's inability to get rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds against good defenses in college, has me justifiably concerned.

I really wish he would tell us what you want to do with Quinn.

Play him. Just don't expect him to be a world beater right away - or possibly, ever.