QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

[Buckeneye]

I guess my idea of a leader is someone who doesnt put their TEAM at a disadvantage for some tattoo's.

While not for tattoo's. I'll assume you felt the same about Troy because of his little brush in 2004? I mean, he technically put his team at a disadvantage by his actions.


Nevermind anything he did after that... because, according to you - he wasn't a 'leader'.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

did anyone think Pryor as a true frosh was better than a QB who had just led his team to a national championship game?

Boeckman did not lead the team to the title game...Beanie Wells did. We got to the title game in spite of Boeckman's somewhat erratic play late in the '07 season.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Jim Tressel is the leader of this team, and a damn good one. He's proven he can win. He's proven he is a leader and teacher of young men. He's proven that he's a class act. He's proven that he can make young men learn from their mistakes, and the public apologies are just more proof of this. Arguing whether or not Troy or Terrelle are leaders is almost silly. Yes, they lead their teams on the field because they are the quarterbacks, but this is Tressel's team, and it's been a damn tight ship for 10 years.

These are kids, even moreso if TP's mistake really was two years ago as he said. They're learning from this by taking some really hard (ok, ridiculous) lumps from the NCAA. I know this is a message board, but let's move on. Or at least take it to the "Confirmed" thread.

 

[buckeyboy]

[quote='BusNative;184211;2]Jim Tressel is the leader of this team, and a damn good one. He's proven he can win. He's proven he is a leader and teacher of young men. He's proven that he's a class act. He's proven that he can make young men learn from their mistakes, and the public apologies are just more proof of this. Arguing whether or not Troy or Terrelle are leaders is almost silly. Yes, they lead their teams on the field because they are the quarterbacks, but this is Tressel's team, and it's been a damn tight ship for 10 years.

These are kids, even moreso if TP's mistake really was two years ago as he said. They're learning from this by taking some really hard (ok, ridiculous) lumps from the NCAA. I know this is a message board, but let's move on. Or at least take it to the "Confirmed" thread.[/quote]

I wholeheartedly agree. I am ticked about this situation as much as anybody else. The players have admitted their mistakes. Time for us all to move on.

 

[Wells4Heisman]

I forgive all of the players and it's time to watch them collectively kick some Hog ass!

 

[ysubuck]

Archie Griffin was on with Bruce Hooley today.

He stated that all 5 athletes visited him at his home yesterday to talk. He said that all 5 were remorseful and they regretted what they had done and how it had affected the former players, alums and fans.

He believed them and he also said that it's time for everyone to move on from this. They have a game to get ready for were, I believe, Archie Griffin's words.

If Archie has forgiven them and thinks that they have been sufficiently consequenced for their actions then that's all I need.

 

[HineyBuck]

Archie Griffin was on with Bruce Hooley today.

He stated that all 5 athletes visited him at his home yesterday to talk. If Archie has forgiven them and thinks that they have been sufficiently consequenced for their actions then that's all I need.

Did not know that they had met with Archie; but did notice they all apologized to "former players."

Agree; if it's good enough for Arch, it's good enough for me.
:osu:

 

[Bleed S & G]

Not a leader, huh? Are you on the sidelines and in the huddle? I mean, if you are, then I appologize.

Are you?

Do you think he's not a leader because Herbie tells you this is so? Is he not a leader because of these suspensions over something done more than a year ago?

Yeah, when I think leader... an Ohio State QB selling his gold pants and Big Ten ring to get a fucking tattoo isn't the first thing I think of.

There are many different ways to lead. The way Terrelle plays is leadership in itself.

He is the type of player that makes the OL want to hold a block for a second longer. He is the type of player that makes the WRs come back to the ball and never give up on a play.

Than our O-Line must really be horrible if Terrelle elevates their play so much.

He is the type of player that spreads the ball around to everyone, so everybody steps up and stays focused.

He is the type of player that makes the RBs want to run harder, because if the QB is running over people, running by people, and throwing stiffarms, then I better be doing it to.

1.) I don't know if I've seem TP truck many defenders.
2.) Our tailback play hasn't been great this year. Boom turned it on in the last couple of weeks, but we searched for a tailback to step up all season long. Not sure what you're talking about here.

His will to win is evident. That will to win spreads. Yes...Ohio State football is about the team, and not one player. But this particular player is the fuel for what is the offensive engine.

That is because this is how Tressel coaches.. to his teams strengths. He won't be like Dick Head up North and jam a square peg into a round hole. This is Tressel's MO and part of what makes him so damn good.

Further, just like last year - our offensive started to take off once the ground game got going. TP may be the fuel, but the ground game is the wheels.

Boeckman did not lead the team to the title game...Beanie Wells did. We got to the title game in spite of Boeckman's somewhat erratic play late in the '07 season.

Wrong. We got into the title game because Dick Rod is a shitty coach.

But, your post did prompt me to find Boeckmans stats - he wasn't all that bad..

Boeckman 2007:
64% passer @ 2,379 yards 25 TDs/14 INTs

Terrelle Pryor 2010:
66% passer @ 2,551 yards 25 TDs/11 INTs

 

[MaxBuck]

If Archie ... thinks that they have been sufficiently consequenced for their actions then that's all I need.

I'm efforting to understand what you're saying here. :)

 

[SmoovP]

It seems to me as if TP has a pretty big decision to make after the Sugar Bowl.

Pros of going to the NFL:

1. Not likely a first round pick. I put this as a Pro because I think it is pretty well acknowledged that he isn't quite ready to be a starter in the NFL, and the NFL has a way of eating QB's who come out early. Get picked somewhere in the 2nd-4th round of the NFL draft and sit behind a starting QB for a year or two, learn the system, improve his skills and be ready to be a starter in a few years. Sort of an Aaron Rogers scenario.
2. Will start getting paid for his abilities. Getting picked as a 2nd-4th round QB isn't going to get him rich in the short term, but it beats working for a living.
3. Getting out of the OSU microscope. Being a backup QB in the NFL is a far cry from being the starting QB at OSU. I know you guys love him, but being under the scrutiny of rabid a fanbase like the Buckeyes is a pretty intense deal. No one could blame him for perhaps wishing to get out from under that while he improves his craft as a backup somewhere.

Cons of going to the NFL:

1. Not likely a first round pick. He's not going to get 1st round money.
2. Potential NFL player lockout. Sitting out for a year and all that entails in regards to improving skills, getting paid, etc., etc.
3. No guarantees that he'll stick. The NFL is a tough gig. Finding a roster spot, and keeping it is in no way a guarantee. The NFL is littered with the corpses of talented players who wash out for one reason or another.

Pros of returning for his senior season at OSU:

1. Legitimate chance to play for a National Championship. OSU is going to be loaded next year and the schedule looks to be favorable. Winning a conference championship will put OSU in line for the BCS-NC game.
2. Improve his chances of being a first round NFL pick. Another year to improve his skills and display his talents for the NFL draft, etc.,etc.
3. Redemption in the eyes of Buckeye fans. I have no idea if this means anything to him or not, but taking his medicine, returning for his senior season and doing well (and staying out of any controversies) will go a long way in winning the respect back from those who have been disappointed.

Cons of returning for his senior season at OSU:

1. Will have to sit the first 5 games. There are no guarantees that he would get his starting job back, however unlikely that might be, which would cost him dearly in the NFL draft.
2. Will wait another year to earn any money. Everybody wants money
3. No chance at winning the Heisman Sitting out the first 5 games precludes him being in the Heisman race, barring something extraordinary.

If it was me, and I was looking at those pros and cons, I'd opt for the NFL, hoping to land with a decent team not looking for an immediate starting QB, so I could learn the pro game, improve my skills and get rich.

 

[JXC]

Are you?

Nope, but that's why I gave reasons I think he is a leader that I can see without being in the huddle. I did not try to get into what Pryor says in the huddle or does on the bench, which I think is where the banned poster was going. I could be wrong though. Maybe certain analysts are right. Maybe he is everything but a leader in the huddle and on the sidelines.

Yeah, when I think leader... an Ohio State QB selling his gold pants and Big Ten ring to get a fucking tattoo isn't the first thing I think of.

I hope that TP is a different person than he was when he did this. If not then I agree. But I'm not saying everything he does is the mark of a leader. But he is a leader on the field. What these players did was very selfish though. I hope it ends up being positive for them in the end, and not negative.

When I played sports, the way others played and approached the game helped me step up my game. I got more out of guys who just shut up and played than those who got in guys faces. To each his own, though. I'm just saying that there are different ways to lead. But the breaking the NCAA rules part is obviously not a way to lead.

Than our O-Line must really be horrible if Terrelle elevates their play so much.

I've been impressed with our O-line this year. They've done the most I've seen with the schemes they are given to run. I've always felt that we just do too much pulling with these guys. But I've been impressed, and when TP does run, you see lineman still holding blocks. Just like I saw when TS was back there. I saw far more guys "giving up" when TB was back there. And on that note...it's been awhile since we've had a QB whose first name didn't start with T. Also...our future QB doesn't have the best initals for a message board. TP, BM...to easy to make a joke there.

1.) I don't know if I've seem TP truck many defenders.
2.) Our tailback play hasn't been great this year. Boom turned it on in the last couple of weeks, but we searched for a tailback to step up all season long. Not sure what you're talking about here.

Pryor is a pretty damn physical runner for a QB. I love his stiff arm. I think our RBs have been very physical, and I think having a QB like Pryor helps with that pound the ball mentality. It doesn't mean we have the best RBs in the world, although I think we have a superstar in the wings there.

That is because this is how Tressel coaches.. to his teams strengths. He won't be like Dick Head up North and jam a square peg into a round hole. This is Tressel's MO and part of what makes him so damn good.

I agree it's all starts with Tressel. But the right players have to buy into what Tressel is selling. I feel like Pryor has done that as well as anybody since Krenzel, although that could change depending on what happens in his future at OSU. I agree that Tressel is the ultimate leader, which is why some of this blame about the players selling their things has to be put on his shoulders. He's the leader and the buck stops with him. I think he has reached TP now, but maybe he had not yet reached him at that point in Terrelle's career.

Further, just like last year - our offensive started to take off once the ground game got going. TP may be the fuel, but the ground game is the wheels.

Really? Our offense actually seemed to score just as much before the ground game took off. We averaged 32 ppg in our last 3 games, but averaged well over 43 ppg in the rest.

Actually our offense failed to score 35 points in only 3 games. Illinois (over 200 yards rushing (Boom had 95), only 77 passing) Wisconsin (155 rushing (Boom had 91), 156 passing) and Iowa (158 rushing, 198 passing..this was Booms worst out of the three). Doesn't seem like it was the running game that we needed, moreso the passing game.

I actually feel like our offense has been all about TP and the passing game this year. Most years the ground game IS the wheels. But in my opinion, not this year.

Good post though. I was being very black and white about everything, mostly because of what the banned poster said, and you called me on it. But it's not all BS. I still feel Pryor is a leader. I'm not saying he is the only leader, or the #1 leader on the team. But he is one of the many leaders this team has.

 

[Bleed S & G]

Nope, but that's why I gave reasons I think he is a leader that I can see without being in the huddle. I did not try to get into what Pryor says in the huddle or does on the bench, which I think is where the banned poster was going. I could be wrong though. Maybe certain analysts are right. Maybe he is everything but a leader in the huddle and on the sidelines.

I hope that TP is a different person than he was when he did this. If not then I agree. But I'm not saying everything he does is the mark of a leader. But he is a leader on the field. What these players did was very selfish though. I hope it ends up being positive for them in the end, and not negative.

When I played sports, the way others played and approached the game helped me step up my game. I got more out of guys who just shut up and played than those who got in guys faces. To each his own, though. I'm just saying that there are different ways to lead. But the breaking the NCAA rules part is obviously not a way to lead.

I've been impressed with our O-line this year. They've done the most I've seen with the schemes they are given to run. I've always felt that we just do too much pulling with these guys. But I've been impressed, and when TP does run, you see lineman still holding blocks. Just like I saw when TS was back there. I saw far more guys "giving up" when TB was back there. And on that note...it's been awhile since we've had a QB whose first name didn't start with T. Also...our future QB doesn't have the best initals for a message board. TP, BM...to easy to make a joke there.

Pryor is a pretty damn physical runner for a QB. I love his stiff arm. I think our RBs have been very physical, and I think having a QB like Pryor helps with that pound the ball mentality. It doesn't mean we have the best RBs in the world, although I think we have a superstar in the wings there.

I agree it's all starts with Tressel. But the right players have to buy into what Tressel is selling. I feel like Pryor has done that as well as anybody since Krenzel, although that could change depending on what happens in his future at OSU. I agree that Tressel is the ultimate leader, which is why some of this blame about the players selling their things has to be put on his shoulders. He's the leader and the buck stops with him. I think he has reached TP now, but maybe he had not yet reached him at that point in Terrelle's career.

Really? Our offense actually seemed to score just as much before the ground game took off. We averaged 32 ppg in our last 3 games, but averaged well over 43 ppg in the rest.

Actually our offense failed to score 35 points in only 3 games. Illinois (over 200 yards rushing (Boom had 95), only 77 passing) Wisconsin (155 rushing (Boom had 91), 156 passing) and Iowa (158 rushing, 198 passing..this was Booms worst out of the three). Doesn't seem like it was the running game that we needed, moreso the passing game.

I actually feel like our offense has been all about TP and the passing game this year. Most years the ground game IS the wheels. But in my opinion, not this year.

Good post though. I was being very black and white about everything, mostly because of what the banned poster said, and you called me on it. But it's not all BS. I still feel Pryor is a leader. I'm not saying he is the only leader, or the #1 leader on the team. But he is one of the many leaders this team has.

You know what sucks? That we are even having this conversation. It's turned Buckeye against Buckeye with the bowl game coming up.. I'm done with it. It is what it is, I feel how I feel(it's all a bunch of shit).. time to move on.

 

[JXC]

You know what sucks? That we are even having this conversation. It's turned Buckeye against Buckeye with the bowl game coming up.. I'm done with it. It is what it is, I feel how I feel(it's all a bunch of shit).. time to move on.

Agree...that's what I should have just said.

 

[dragurd]

A little bit of silver lining is this could be beneficial to him. He said he was cocky as a youngster well this gives him a major humbling. If he comes back he can use the extra time to not only improve himself and his mechanics but also improve as a leader. Helping the younger kids out with everything and doing whatever he can to help the team while he is not playing.

 

[Taosman]

After seeing how the back up QBs faired in short playing time this year I'm not convinced that there is a better option at QB even if Miller comes in early.
I have doubts any would hold the job once TP served out his suspension. And TP greatly needs the time in the college game to improve his chances as a pro QB.
That being said, we don't know if he could deal emotionally with sitting for 5 games. Even if it's probably in his best interest.