QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

[RugbyBuck]

What in the Holy Fcuk is wrong with Bill Livingston? How can you even write such garbage even from a homer-devil's-advocate-Popperian-falsification perspective?

Germaine won a Rose Bowl, barely. Pryor won a Rose Bowl, definitively.

As much as I love Troy Smith - and I'm fighting myself even as I type this, but I can't not type it - I'd rather have TP at this point.

He/We lost at Wisconsin this year (largely because the Badger offense made our D look like middle schoolers; not sure how that's Pryor's fault), but he/we, won there two years ago only because of Pryor's last drive.

Is Uncle Bill just trying to light Pryor up for Iowa? WTF? This kid has done everything that's been asked of him, has played hurt, and has led this team as well as anyone has (Troy included). By all accounts, he takes it seriously, is a film nut, and is harder on himself than anyone else. He obviously has Tressel's trust, so, again, can anyone give me any cogent explanation of what the fcuk is wrong with Bill Livingston?

 

[Saw31]

What in the Holy Fcuk is wrong with Bill Livingston? How can you even write such garbage even from a homer-devil's-advocate-Popperian-falsification perspective?

Germaine won a Rose Bowl, barely. Pryor won a Rose Bowl, definitively.

As much as I love Troy Smith - and I'm fighting myself even as I type this, but I can't not type it - I'd rather have TP at this point.

He/We lost at Wisconsin this year (largely because the Badger offense made our D look like middle schoolers; not sure how that's Pryor's fault), but he/we, won there two years ago only because of Pryor's last drive.

Is Uncle Bill just trying to light Pryor up for Iowa? WTF? This kid has done everything that's been asked of him, has played hurt, and has led this team as well as anyone has (Troy included). By all accounts, he takes it seriously, is a film nut, and is harder on himself than anyone else. He obviously has Tressel's trust, so, again, can anyone give me any cogent explanation of what the fcuk is wrong with Bill Livingston?

Yeah, not real sure what the fuck he is talking about here...

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

What in the Holy Fcuk is wrong with Bill Livingston? How can you even write such garbage even from a homer-devil's-advocate-Popperian-falsification perspective?

Germaine won a Rose Bowl, barely. Pryor won a Rose Bowl, definitively.

As much as I love Troy Smith - and I'm fighting myself even as I type this, but I can't not type it - I'd rather have TP at this point.

He/We lost at Wisconsin this year (largely because the Badger offense made our D look like middle schoolers; not sure how that's Pryor's fault), but he/we, won there two years ago only because of Pryor's last drive.

Is Uncle Bill just trying to light Pryor up for Iowa? WTF? This kid has done everything that's been asked of him, has played hurt, and has led this team as well as anyone has (Troy included). By all accounts, he takes it seriously, is a film nut, and is harder on himself than anyone else. He obviously has Tressel's trust, so, again, can anyone give me any cogent explanation of what the fcuk is wrong with Bill Livingston?

If someone had written that exact column here as a post in TP's thread, I may very well have given it an infraction for bashing. Not because it's off-base, but because he says absolutely nothing to back up his negative assessment (apart from the usual can-say-it-about-anyone tripe like "his best games are against patsies").

To be honest, Pryor has disappointed me. I would have wanted him to be able to make quicker decisions more consistently. I would have wanted him to be handling pressure better by now. Livingston does not raise these points because to do so requires one to think about what, precisely, you want to see improved.

I will go further and say that Pryor has made obvious improvement in the areas that I mentioned, albeit insufficient to my Scarlet tinted retinas. Perhaps those tinted retinas have me reading too much between the lines, but it appears to me that Livingston is implying (or insinuating?) that Pryor has not improved. One has to wonder if he really believes that.

Is his play a disappointment to this point? To me, yes. I had hoped he'd be ranked higher than #5 in the country in passing efficiency. Saying that is not bashing. Saying it the way Livingston did is either a blatant attempt to say something you don't believe to drive page-views (mission accomplished on both counts) or is a very poor excuse for sports journalism. Going by Livingston's history, I can't put either past him.

 

[RugbyBuck]

He says that TP hasn't achieved his potential and I guess that may be right to a degree, but it needs to be looked at in context. I don't think you can fulfill your athletic potential if you're TP anywhere but in Oregon's offense. Wins count here and I think he's achieving his leadership potential (alluded to earlier by Steve19) here in a way that he likely wouldn't anywhere else. JT's given him as much rein as he has anyone, but what is necessary to win varies from game to game. We aren't Oregon and won't be.

We lost to Texas in a BCS bowl b/c the defense let them score with almost no time left. Did TP detroy Texas so that they couldn't win it at the end? No, but the loss shouldn't be held against him as our QB either.

Define potential for me, Bill. If it's being Vince Young, as you more than imply in your article, no, TP hasn't reached that and I'm more than ok with it. I highly doubt that VY would do as well with Tressel and this program as Pryor.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

but I think this kid has the potential to really be something in life.

I think that is Coach Tressel's goal with all of his players.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Germaine won a Rose Bowl, barely. Pryor won a Rose Bowl, definitively.

With the help of a game saving catch from Ballard.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

YouTube - Erin Andrews Interviews Terrell Pryor, Dan Herron after Ohio State victory

How many times did they both say "Got after them"...Tressel uses that phrase all the time. Coincidence? I think not...

 

[AKAK]

What in the Holy Fcuk is wrong with Bill Livingston? How can you even write such garbage even from a homer-devil's-advocate-Popperian-falsification perspective?

Germaine won a Rose Bowl, barely. Pryor won a Rose Bowl, definitively.

As much as I love Troy Smith - and I'm fighting myself even as I type this, but I can't not type it - I'd rather have TP at this point.

He/We lost at Wisconsin this year (largely because the Badger offense made our D look like middle schoolers; not sure how that's Pryor's fault), but he/we, won there two years ago only because of Pryor's last drive.

Is Uncle Bill just trying to light Pryor up for Iowa? WTF? This kid has done everything that's been asked of him, has played hurt, and has led this team as well as anyone has (Troy included). By all accounts, he takes it seriously, is a film nut, and is harder on himself than anyone else. He obviously has Tressel's trust, so, again, can anyone give me any cogent explanation of what the fcuk is wrong with Bill Livingston?

Well.... technically, Pryor got the last scholly in his class....

Was the MVP of the Rose bowl (as you point out) and hasn't played his senior season-- that seems to be the difference right now-- that is the benchmark of Smith and Germaine's success in Livy's article.

So, what the fuck is wrong with Bill Livingston? He wrote the article a year early (without knowing those results)

Will next year be a near miss (as was '98 and '06) for Ohio State? Time will tell.... will Pryor win the Heisman that Smith did? Dunno...

So far he hasn't been suspended for a showdown with Vince Young (how made Colt McCoy Redshirt), nor has he spent two years as the passing part of a two headed monster -both of whom were essentially Arena League guys in the end...

Kid has played 2 full years and started 2 BCS bowls (Ok, don't get technical about the one, please )

Two more bowls and a full year to go.... if he hasn't reached his potential yet... sweet... we're in for a fun 16 (?) more games with him.

 

[JBaney45]

Duh guys, Pryor was supposed to come in as a true freshmen and score a touchdown every time he touched the ball. The other 10 guys on the offense would just sit there on the sidelines and watched as Pryor effortlessly torched any and all opposition by himself on his way to 17 national championships and 38 heisman trophies

There was also something in there about him consuming the SEC with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse or something along those lines

 

[Bill Lucas]

With the help of a game saving catch from Ballard.

Well, it's a team game isn't it? They all have a task to do to win.

 

[Saw31]

With the help of a game saving catch from Ballard.

Gonzo...just sayin'

Duh guys, Pryor was supposed to come in as a true freshmen and score a touchdown every time he touched the ball. The other 10 guys on the offense would just sit there on the sidelines and watched as Pryor effortlessly torched any and all opposition by himself on his way to 17 national championships and 38 heisman trophies

There was also something in there about him consuming the SEC with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse or something along those lines

He's not as efficient with the ass lightning as I'd like to see him, but he's still got another year +3 games...

 

[Bleed S & G]

What in the Holy Fcuk is wrong with Bill Livingston? How can you even write such garbage even from a homer-devil's-advocate-Popperian-falsification perspective?

First of all, I agree 1000%

Germaine won a Rose Bowl, barely. Pryor won a Rose Bowl, definitively.

It's a team game.

As much as I love Troy Smith - and I'm fighting myself even as I type this, but I can't not type it - I'd rather have TP at this point.

Really!? I think TP is damn good - I'm not a hater and I'm really sick & tired of all these buckeye fans (not on here) telling me how much they don't know - but no way. Troy Smith was & is a better QB, IMHO.

He/We lost at Wisconsin this year (largely because the Badger offense made our D look like middle schoolers; not sure how that's Pryor's fault), but he/we, won there two years ago only because of Pryor's last drive.

It's a team game. Wisconsin this year was a fucking mess. Pryor didn't look sharp, defense couldn't keep the pressure on when we needed it, and special teams sucked. Beanie Wells had a big part in Pryor's win there his freshman year. It's a team game.

This kid has done everything that's been asked of him, has played hurt,

Agree..

and has led this team as well as anyone has (Troy included).

Ehhhhhhhh.........

By all accounts, he takes it seriously, is a film nut, and is harder on himself than anyone else.

This is very true and why he is a damn good QB

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Well, it's a team game isn't it? They all have a task to do to win.

That was part of my point. The original poster stated "Pryor won a Rose Bowl, definitively". My point was that if Ballard does not make a unbelievable catch, that ball would have been picked off giving Oregon a chance to win the game. That pass was not a good pass. Pryor managed the team (in classic Jim Tressel fashion) to a rose bowl win. He did not win the Rose Bowl. The defense did as much as he did in that win.

 

[BayBuck]

That was part of my point. The original poster stated "Pryor won a Rose Bowl, definitively". My point was that if Ballard does not make a unbelievable catch, that ball would have been picked off giving Oregon a chance to win the game. That pass was not a good pass. Pryor managed the team (in classic Jim Tressel fashion) to a rose bowl win. He did not win the Rose Bowl. The defense did as much as he did in that win.

Game-manager QBs generally don't rack up 338 yards and account for all of their team's TDs. Of course the defense did a nice job in holding Oregon to 17 points, but Terrelle deserves all the credit anyone wants to give him for that win.

 

[RugbyBuck]

Yes, of course, I agree it's a team game and true, Ballard made an outstanding catch. My point was just that BL's article made some unnecessarily/inappropriately negative comparisons seemingly forgetting about any team context.

Would I take an end of the season junior Pryor over Troy? Yes, I think so. AKAK is right, though, the big leap is the next one for Pryor. Smith and Germaine improved dramatically in their senior years. I'm guessing that Pryor will, too.