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QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

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Merih;1790077; said:
He's ahead of Vince as a passer when Vince was halfway through his last season.
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I'd say they're similar, I don't know if he's necessarily ahead. Of course VY played in a much more wide-open offense that allowed him to rack up obscene numbers. I don't recall him being pulled from many games in 2005 like TP has...

VY 2005:
212-325, 65.2%, 3036 Yds, 26-10 td-int // 155-1020, 12 td

TP 2010 pace...
225-332, 67.8%, 2922 yds, 33-7 td-int // 124-767, 7 td

Damn...that's eerily similar...we'll see what TP does vs the meat of the schedule, but his numbers are on pace to be much bigger than I thought...if he keeps this pace up and tOSU is 12-0 in early December, it's gonna be hard to not give him the Heisman.
 
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NFBuck;1790078; said:
I'd say they're similar, I don't know if he's necessarily ahead. Of course VY played in a much more wide-open offense that allowed him to rack up obscene numbers. I don't recall him being pulled from many games in 2005 like TP has...
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He's ahead of Vince, not in terms of numbers or stats, but in terms of understanding how a pro-style offense is run. His reads and progressions have been really impressive this season. Also in mechanics with regard to footwork and throwing motion.

Vince had the edge in yardage, he was a king of making big plays. Terrelle has him beat in passer efficiency rating (170 to 163), projected TDs (30 to 26), INTs (6 to 10), completion percentage (68 to 65).

I know, numbers don't tell the whole story, but I was pretty surprised to see them myself. Where Terrelle doesn't have Vince is in that rare ability to take over a close game with his feet. VY in the Rose Bowl left me speechless. TP is more of a guy that uses his legs to extend plays and drives.
 
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For posterity's sake, media favorite hairlice has done this:

2214 total yards (369 ypg) and 17 TD in an offense that centers totally around him. He's also played almost all of every game (excepting BGSU). Plus, his mistakes played a major role in a loss.

TP:
1722 yards (287 ypg) and 20 TD in a much more balanced offense. He has also left 5/6 games early either due to injury (Illinois) or because of score (Marshall, Ohio, EMU and Indiana).

There's not nearly the difference you'd think...I shudder to think the numbers he would have right now if he played 4 quarters in every game and was relied upon as heavily as denard.

Breaking it down further:

Hairlice: 125 pass att / 119 rushes= 244 plays directly related to him or 40.7 per game
TP: 153 pass att / 57 rushes / 2 receptions= 212 plays directly related to him or 35.3 per game
 
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bukIpower;1790047; said:
He is improved by leaps and bounds but he's no where near ready for the NFL yet. Even after a senior year he won't step into the NFL and start for probably 1-2 years.
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Maybe you're right but I fail to see why so many people are comfortable with Locker and Mallett as top 10 picks but not TP. Malllett puts up more yards because of the system he plays in but his accuracy is still very iffy. They're almost mirror images of each other. Both can make beautiful NFL caliber throws and both can still throw hideous passes and make poor decisions. But since TP's labeled with the raw athlete tag, few have bothered to re-evaluate him and the progress he's made. Locker has been lucky to shed the raw athlete tag by getting a "pro style" coach.

If we're comparing the typical QB traits, Pryor roughly has: the size of Mallett, the arm strength of Locker, a quicker and more compact throwing motion than Mallett, and the mobility of Locker. He's also a proven winner unlike those 2.

QB's still go round 1 based on upside. They're always going to take a chance on a big athletic QB. I think TP would benefit greatly from another year but he deserves to go round 1 as a QB if he keeps up this level of play.
 
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About 15 minutes of video with TP talking after the Indiana game.

He said there was pain in his leg until he woke up Saturday morning, and that he'll be running next week (meaning, against Wiscy).

Rivals.free
 
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BB73;1790187; said:
About 15 minutes of video with TP talking after the Indiana game.

He said there was pain in his leg until he woke up Saturday morning, and that he'll be running next week (meaning, against Wiscy).

Rivals.free
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Do think he really is 100% in terms of running? I would bet he makes the above comment whether he's good to go or not.

Also anyone know where I can get a gray #2 jersey if they...wearing gray to camp randall saturday. Go Bucks!!
 
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yeah he will deserve to be round 1 no matter when he goes pro, but either go pro and sit for 2-3 years or stay in school next year and continue to work on some things. Because, IMO, the two good defenses he's faced this year he has struggled a little. Both Illinois/Miami gave him some problems and he wasn't nearly as accurate or pin point as he was in the other 4 games. However, that also can be put on the other components of the offense as well like the WR's not getting open etc.

When TP does this against a good defense, like Wisconsin/Iowa, then I'll contend that he's arrived as an elite thrower. He's markeably better than the past few but he just needs that ONE game against a good/elite defense to announce his arrival. Hopefully we get that performance this upcoming weekend in Madison.
 
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NFBuck;1790078; said:
I'd say they're similar, I don't know if he's necessarily ahead. Of course VY played in a much more wide-open offense that allowed him to rack up obscene numbers. I don't recall him being pulled from many games in 2005 like TP has...

VY 2005:
212-325, 65.2%, 3036 Yds, 26-10 td-int // 155-1020, 12 td

TP 2010 pace...
225-332, 67.8%, 2922 yds, 33-7 td-int // 124-767, 7 td

Damn...that's eerily similar...we'll see what TP does vs the meat of the schedule, but his numbers are on pace to be much bigger than I thought...if he keeps this pace up and tOSU is 12-0 in early December, it's gonna be hard to not give him the Heisman.
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One thing to keep in mind when compare the Pryor and VY's numbers is that VY was a much bigger threat to run on designed plays, which not only resulted in VY having more rushing yds but also freed up the UT's TE down the middle for over 640 receiving yds that season. Not saying Pryor isn't a threat to run, but most of his passing yds come on designed passes in the shotgun and other obvious passing situations. That makes Pryor even more impressive than Young at this stage.
 
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TP is now 6th in the nation in passing efficiency, at 170.47.

He's behind Kellen Moore (183.28), Cam Newton, Ricky Stanzi, Dan Persa, and Stephen Garcia (bless his heart).

Which also means that he's ahead of Andrew Luck and Ryan Mallett in that category. Link

He's also tied for 6th in this overlooked, but meaningful category, with 19/game:

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