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QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

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TP absolutely loves Posey. If Posey is on the field and we throw, seems like it goes Posey's direction every time. Not sure if that means Posey is always open or TP isn't going through his progressions.

He is most certainly not a run-first QB. I think this is good for the future of the team. Definitely not for the current team, but his athletic ability will be there when his awareness and QB smarts come. He's going to be special. The kid is a freshman, and he's only made a couple mistakes. One meaningful turnover. Impressive.
 
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3074326;1289083; said:
TP absolutely loves Posey. If Posey is on the field and we throw, seems like it goes Posey's direction every time. Not sure if that means Posey is always open or TP isn't going through his progressions.

He is most certainly not a run-first QB. I think this is good for the future of the team. Definitely not for the current team, but his athletic ability will be there when his awareness and QB smarts come. He's going to be special. The kid is a freshman, and he's only made a couple mistakes. One meaningful turnover. Impressive.
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Exactly. The impressive thing is that he's comparable to Vince Young, but he doesn't turn the ball over nearly as much. He doesn't run nearly as much and his YPC is low because he takes so many sacks, but he's doing his best not to turn it over.

When he starts to learn to pass quickly and make quick decisions, he will be much better and he can choose whether to run or pass right away.

Also, I find it strange that he seems to jog more than anything else when he runs. I think he is much faster than some realize (as fast or faster than Young), but again he seems very hesitant when he runs. If he'd go at full speed all the time he'd have 2-3 more TDs rushing.
 
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1926Buckeyes;1288824; said:
I was just thinking, and I have an analogy that some might get with TP.

When I watch him play, it reminds me of trying to write a paper and wanting to get an A, but every time you type something, you erase it because you don't think it's good enough and instead of just typing something and revising it later, you sit there and stare at your computer.

Eventually though you just say 'fuck it' and write the damn thing and it actaully seems pretty good. THat's where TP is and needs to just play.

THat make any sense?
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Yes, He's a perfectionist. He needs to trust his instincts and and let it go. Some of his hesitation comes from his inexperience. He's trying to write a flawless novel when a rough draft term paper will do. One game at a time sounds trivial, but the pressure to win every one is immence, especially as a freshman. May Terrelle is trying too hard to please.

Here's a couple of quotes from The Winners Manual that seemed to fit.

"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible"
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St Francis of Assisi

and

"It isn't hard to be good from time to time in sports. What's tough is being good every day."
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Willie Mays
 
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Vince Young was never a true pocket passer and will never be one, but he is successful as heck. I don't understand why we are neutralizing Pryor's strengths and accentuating his weakness at this point. Doesn't make a lot of sense. If we just focus on the running game with Pryor and Wells, and mix in with playaction, I can guarantee that would be a million times better than our current offense.
 
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Tresselbeliever;1289234; said:
Vince Young was never a true pocket passer and will never be one, but he is successful as heck. I don't understand why we are neutralizing Pryor's strengths and accentuating his weakness at this point. Doesn't make a lot of sense. If we just focus on the running game with Pryor and Wells, and mix in with playaction, I can guarantee that would be a million times better than our current offense.
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Because Jim Tressel is about more than just winning games. He wants not to accentuate players weaknesses, but to force them to become more complete, well rounded players. Just my two cents, but I believe it's the same reason he has M.Wells run up the middle so much when he's in there. The kid breaks a few of those, and his confidence skyrockets. He tries to force the players to develop their overall games to (hopefully) the point that what was a weakness is eventually another part of thier overall game.

What good is it if Pryor wins every game doing what he already can, once we need his weakness to win a game.

I'm sure this theory isn't perfect, but I do truly believe it.
 
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I don't understand why we are neutralizing Pryor's strengths and accentuating his weakness at this point.
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well personally the way i see it, (every game is basically training for pryor, thats why hes in 100% of the time) when we have a comfortable lead on a team we are dominating on defense, as a coach you should take advantage and help pryor become a complete QB and build on his "weaker" passing game.

Its the same reasons we throw our 2nd string in when we have a heck of a lead. So they can have "training games" before the reins are handed over to them.

--- Buckyle beat me to the reply, needless to say, i agree
 
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BUCKYLE;1289336; said:
Because Jim Tressel is about more than just winning games. He wants not to accentuate players weaknesses, but to force them to become more complete, well rounded players. Just my two cents, but I believe it's the same reason he has M.Wells run up the middle so much when he's in there. The kid breaks a few of those, and his confidence skyrockets. He tries to force the players to develop their overall games to (hopefully) the point that what was a weakness is eventually another part of thier overall game.

What good is it if Pryor wins every game doing what he already can, once we need his weakness to win a game.

I'm sure this theory isn't perfect, but I do truly believe it.
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I'd like to nominate this for a GPA. I know that doesn't mean much, but it's one of the most insightful posts I've read on BP (which says a ton), and the fact that it's from BUCKYLE just makes it that much more amazing. :p

James Patrick Tressel is an educator, first and foremost, football coach second. And he's The Best Damn Football Coach In The Land!

EDIT:
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BUCKYLE again.
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I have no problem with the staff trying to mold Pryor in to a pocket passer.... or at least a pass first QB. But I do have a problem when he has 5 to 6 seconds in the pocket and he still hasn't made a decision with the ball.

I understand that he is young and that these things will come to him.... but one of two things must happen at this point: (1) He needs to go through is first two reads and if he hasn't let go of the ball, roll out of the pocket with a run/pass option. (2) The coaches need to design quicker plays..... ie more slants, outs, curls, etc..... so that Pryor gets rid of the ball quickly.

Now I can't say that my analysis is 100% correct because my power went out (really weird?!?) and I only got to watch half of the first quarter and the fourth quarter.... but that's what I saw.
 
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Pryor does make a lot of mistakes with holding the ball too long. That was a combination of thinking too much and trying too hard not to make a mistake. He is trying his best to make the best possible choice for every play. Yes, he rarely turns the ball over, but it seems like his inability to make quick decisions is more of a burden than making mistakes, due to taking shots at some plays.

Give him the opportunity to make at least 2 reads and take off for the yards he can get. That'll work out better than just trying to make a completion to whoever may get open after 6-8 seconds, which only ends up to be a play for loss. An incompletion is better than a play for loss.

We all do not know exactly what is going on behind the scene with the coaching staff and Pryor, but I hope they are progressing with him well. I want Pryor to know that he should not put himself down too hard and needs to shake it off and get that smile of swagger back on his face. It will only make the whole team more upbeat than sitting on the bench blaming himself.

One more thing to say...break that damn leash and run down the field with no regard to human life! (aka Chris "Beanie" Wells)

:)
 
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At this point in his careeer, I think it is great that he wants to be 100% sure about what he is doing before he does it. It will be much much easier for the coaches to coach him to improve on that rather then the other way of where he wants to run the ball if he is not sure.
 
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Hey, this is what I'm loving... Everyone claiming Pryor is over rated, he doesn't have it, he hasn't proved anything... Keep saying all that... Because he will break out, and for whatever that team may be.. It's going to be ugly! I REALLY hope it's Penn State.
 
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3074326;1290600; said:
Haha, people calling him overrated need to realize that he's a freshman.

That being said, has someone here called him overrated?
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NO! Sorry.. LOL I've been hearing the over rated comments from other sites, shows, etc. Ha. The Buckeye nation calling TP over rated! :osu:
 
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