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QB/WR Braxton Miller (B1G POY, National Champion, OSU HOF)

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Bill Lucas;2206402; said:
Normally I'd agree with this assertion but we also saw what he could do (with his legs) last year with an offense from the stone ages against some solid defenses.
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I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make.

If you're somehow insinuating that I'm trying to say he's no good because it was Miami, that's not the case at all. Say what you want about last year, the fact remains that we were 6-7 and lost 4 down the stretch. Braxton racking up playstation numbers, to me is not the priority.
 
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tillmatic;2206411; said:
I wouldnt be surprised to see him get 1000 yards on less than 200 carries. The way he makes people miss is going to lead to some big chunk plays.
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Good point I think he definately can get there lets just hope he won't have to. Hyde, Dunn, Hall, and Smith hopefully will mature as runners to take a lot of those touches and keep Braxton from getting hit so much. But then again coach Meyer does love to call his number a lot.
 
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Buckeye86;2206323; said:
Since 2006: Tebow threw for 3286 in 2007, Bradford threw for 4720 in 2008, Newton threw for 2854 in 2010, and RGIII threw for 4293 in 2011.

I'm not sure your 4500 range is entirely accurate, particularly since it is pretty obvious that running the ball has been a huge part of every winner's game outside of Bradford and Braxton clearly has that going for him.
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These are all Heisman winners. Look at the stats of the invites those years. I think Brax can put up "invite" numbers this year.
 
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sonofbrutus5;2206420; said:
Good point I think he definately can get there lets just hope he won't have to. Hyde, Dunn, Hall, and Smith hopefully will mature as runners to take a lot of those touches and keep Braxton from getting hit so much. But then again coach Meyer does love to call his number a lot.
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Feed Hyde the ball more now, say 20 touches(17 for 82yds Saturday) and when Hall gets back he can take some carries from Brax, also! Of course the defense dictates some carries.
 
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IMO way to early to talk about heisman talk, but he (and le'veon bell in my opinion) would be the perfect candidate of the player nobody saw coming to win it. He would have to put up sick stats because the Heisman field this year is ridiculous

Matt Barkley had 39 TDs and close to 4000+ passing yards last year I believe
Montee Ball, 40 touchdowns and over 2000 yards of total offense
Geno Smith over 4000+ passing yards and is on his way to having higher numbers
DeAnthony Thomas just scored 3 TDs on 7 touches in his last game (yeah against bad competition but still) and had over 2000 all purpose yards
And there uesd to be Denard ahahhahaah! (Joke)
Finally, people haven't seen Sammy Watkins yet who ripped it up as a true freshmen.

The Heisman race this year in college football is ridiculous. Evenually most of those guys leave by next year. I think 2013 is the perfect year for Braxton's heisman chances, Geno, Matt, and Montee are all gone. Le'veon most likely leaves for the NFL, and that leaves 2 skill position players over a QB. OSU should also make a NC run.
 
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The magic number, it seems, is about 4,100 yards or more and 50 TDs. Assuming no RB goes over 2,300 yards in combined yardage...

Past winners:


  • Robert Griffin III: 4,992 total yards (4,293 yds passing + 699 yds rushing, 47 TDs)
  • Cameron Newton: 4,327 total yards (2,854 yds passing + 1,473 yds rushing, 51 TDs)
  • Mark Ingram: 2,292 total yards (1,658 yds rushing + 334 yds receiving, 20 TDs)
  • Sam Bradford: 4,767 total yards (4,720 yds passing + 47 yds rushing, 55 TDs)
  • Tim Tebow: 4,181 total yards (3,286 yds passing + 895 yds rushing, 55 TDs)
  • Troy Smith: 2,746 total yards (2,542 yds passing + 204 yds rushing, 31 TDs)
  • Matt Leinart: 3,851 total yards (3,815 yds passing + 36 yds rushing, 34 TDs)
  • Jason White: 3,149 total yards (3,205 yds passing -56 yds rushing, 35 TDs)
Doable? If he turned in a similar performance every game, he'd end up with about 2,484 yards passing and 1,771 rushing with 33 TDs... 4,255 yards in total offense. Given that only Cam hit 1,000 rushing and 2k passing, he should be a shoe-in at that point. Hope he can stay healthy.
 
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He reminds me of a shorter, more built Vince Young in terms of running style. He has supreme acceleration and his quickness trumps his speed. He is fast no doubt but he isn't going to outrun corners, instead he'll put them out of their shoes. He is always trying to find more yards and doesn't like to go out of bounds, unlike Pryor. TP would just use his speed to outrun defenders to the sideline while Braxton will use jukes and spin moves to stay inside the hashmarks. If he continues to improve his mechanics and works on the passing game (Urban has stated he looked better in practice than he did this weekend) then the sky's the limit for him.
 
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GeorgiaBuck2;2206457; said:
He reminds me of a shorter, more built Vince Young in terms of running style. He has supreme acceleration and his quickness trumps his speed. He is fast no doubt but he isn't going to outrun corners, instead he'll put them out of their shoes. He is always trying to find more yards and doesn't like to go out of bounds, unlike Pryor. TP would just use his speed to outrun defenders to the sideline while Braxton will use jukes and spin moves to stay inside the hashmarks. If he continues to improve his mechanics and works on the passing game (Urban has stated he looked better in practice than he did this weekend) then the sky's the limit for him.
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Braxton's ability to cut and not shy away from contact is what seperates him from Pryor. While Terrelle had the huge size advantage you'd like in a QB, he also had a penchant for finding the sideline on runs and protecting his legs at every opportunity in the open field...similar to Beanie. Both guys had great stiff arms if they could make contact with it, but otherwise, would limit the contact you put on them by going down fairly easy and protecting their bodies.

We'd all love a nice balance between protecting his body and gaining huge yards, but again his huge chunks come from his fearlessness of planting his foot in the ground and cutting back to the center of the field. Braxton's body type at 6'1, 215 lbs is also more RB than QB. I have no doubt Braxton could quit being a QB tomorrow and excel at RB with his jitter-bug shakes and speed.
 
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HilmerJ;2206496; said:
i think with having a great stiff arm like TP and Beanie, you get used to avoiding a lot of hits because it is so effective...if i could stiff armed people all the time why take the chance to have to lower my shoulder?
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Just a different style of running. I appreciate the fact that Braxton is willing to take some contact and lower a shoulder. Terrelle would have finished a lot more runs had he been willing to cut back or fight through the contact. But at the same time I understand a QB isn't supposed to take the contact....but there is a reason why Braxton has multiple 50+ yard TD runs and Terrelle only had 1 for his career, I think.

I think people have often confused Beanie's stiff-arm with a bruising back. Beanie would get on the edge and throw someone to the ground, but if someone was running at him straight on he rarely lowered the boom, like a Boom Herron would do.
 
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billmac91;2206506; said:
Just a different style of running. I appreciate the fact that Braxton is willing to take some contact and lower a shoulder. Terrelle would have finished a lot more runs had he been willing to cut back or fight through the contact. But at the same time I understand a QB isn't supposed to take the contact runs and Terrelle had 1 in his career I think....but there is a reason why Braxton has multiple 50+ yard TD runs and Terrelle only had 1 for his career, I think.

I think people have often confused Beanie's stiff-arm with a bruising back. Beanie would get on the edge and throw someone to the ground, but if someone was running at him straight on he rarely lowered the boom, like a Boom Herron would do.
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The biggest difference between Braxton and Pryor is their feet. Pryor was always bigger, stronger, and usually faster than his opponents. Braxton was faster and more nimble on his feet. He had to rely on shiftiness instead of power. Braxton has always been a combo type player, part QB and part RB. Enjoy the next three years because it may be awhile to see a perfect fit for UFMs' system like Braxton (if he develops like we hope).

I agree with you about the stiff-arm. Just using your quote as a gauge for mine.
 
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His running style reminds me more of Newton, but shorter. Hes super quick, good speed, excellent vision, and isnt afraid to run over someone.

After this run I noticed he got alot bigger. The depth chart listed him at 6'3 220 and hes built more like a runningback

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT-3dTquRaA"]Braxton Miller Runs for 1st Down vs. Miami-OH (9-1-12) - YouTube[/ame]

If he can finish off runs like that and stay durable he can be a 1000+ yard rusher and 2000+ yard passer like Newton.
 
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