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QB/WR Braxton Miller (B1G POY, National Champion, OSU HOF)

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Braxton is a very gifted athlete that Bauserman just Cannot match. Thats what I meant by more talented. Can Braxton throw a 50 yard pass like Bauserman? Yes. Can Bauserman get outside find no one and tuck and run for 20 yards? I doubt it, atleast not consistently. I added "maybe" a better thrower because we simply don't know if braxton is or isn't. I also added "as a freshman" because if a senior and freshman are near on equal footing bodes well for the freshman now and especially in the years to come.

Experience is not a talent. There's no other way to put it other than Braxton is just gifted with talent that not many others have. Quick release, fast, shifty, ability to improvise and keep plays alive. Only thing Braxton lacks at this point is Knowledge of the offense, and Experience. Experience being one thing he has no control over.
 
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I'll just say this. I'm not sure Braxton's composure in the pocket under pressure could be much worse than Joe's, from what I've seen of film, the spring game, and the Akron game.

I do, however, think he forces the opponent to rethink how they pressure the O to respect his running threat. As a freshman, he is much farther in his passing skill set than I think Pryor was as a Freshman, and possibly farther along than Pryor was after last season. His release is nice and crisp when he makes a decision, and at worst, his decision making is as slow as Joe's. Based upon the limited play we saw from Joe previous years, it looks like he is still just as flighty and flaky under pressure. He obviously doesn't have a handle on the deep passes.

The only negative I see with Braxton is possibility that he makes the wrong pass and throws more INTs than Joe would. Outside of that, I really don't see a net loss. Sure, he is not a "veteran" player, but I don't see a flighty, indecisive freshman who is lost. I see a solid QB that has a skill set to change the dynamic of a game and forces the defense to do something different.
 
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Oh this is a fact? How do you know? You are judging Joe B with one very great game (Akron) as well as a so-so game (Toledo) against Braxton who played in only 2 quarters of a game. It makes no sense for you to say that one is better then the other at this point. There is absolutely no arguable defense to say Braxton is better.

Spring games are for the fans morlae and you cant judge players off of them. And if you are basing your OPINION off of some high school rankings then you are way off base as well.
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It takes about 5 minutes of watching the two to realize Braxton is a lot more talented. Besides the obvious differences in athleticism, Braxton has a stronger arm, better poise & feel in the pocket & playmaking ability.

That doesn't mean he's as good of a passer right now. Some guys never realize their talent. Jamarcus Russell is a lot more talented than Charlie Batch, but his play was never on par with Charlie Batch, let alone the full time starters in the league.
 
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Brax needs to play some if only to give Joe B. a rest. Joe admitted getting tired and needs a break in such a tough game. Brax is a way better athlete than Joe but Joe is the better option for now. Playing Brax a series or two will help Joe to perform at his best.
 
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If it takes a loss for BM to finish out the season then I hope it happens soon. JB does nothing better than BM other than knowing the playbook better....but what does that really matter if you cant accurately deliver the ball or tuck it and get 1st downs. We do NOT have the 2002 defense on this team to hope JB has a magical....which will never be duplicated again....year, it makes no sense to not develop the future.

BM throws a better ball, runs much better, is much calmer in the pocket and makes the defense account for him. I will take a mistake a game to develop him this year. JB didnt show me anything against a solid opponent. LF is making a huge mistake and one that could cost him at the end of the year. I have been a huge JB fan but when you overthrow an open guy at the 1 yard line and the ball lands out of the endzone you have no business starting for a top ten national football team. JB is not good under pressure which is the 1st thing you look for in a QB. He is a McMullen type and should be used the same way. Go Bucks
 
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jwinslow;1988599; said:
It takes about 5 minutes of watching the two to realize Braxton is a lot more talented. Besides the obvious differences in athleticism, Braxton has a stronger arm, better poise & feel in the pocket & playmaking ability.

That doesn't mean he's as good of a passer right now. Some guys never realize their talent. Jamarcus Russell is a lot more talented than Charlie Batch, but his play was never on par with Charlie Batch, let alone the full time starters in the league.
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What Im getting at is that posters are forgetting Joe B's Akron game and yelling for him to be benched off of one game. These are the same posters that are crying for Braxton to come in based off of what? A spring game? 2 Quarters of scrub time against Akron? High school? Its laughable that anyone can say another player is better off of limited snaps where both QBs looked GREAT.

Im sorry, with Braxton being this "amazing" athlete so far, can someone remind me how Joe B did when forced to scramble out of the pocket against Akron?
 
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SEREbuckeye;1988687; said:
What Im getting at is that posters are forgetting Joe B's Akron game and yelling for him to be benched off of one game. These are the same posters that are crying for Braxton to come in based off of what? A spring game? 2 Quarters of scrub time against Akron? High school? Its laughable that anyone can say another player is better off of limited snaps where both QBs looked GREAT.
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I think most that are critical of the way the QB situation was handled yesterday are focused less on which of our two QBs is "better" and more on the fact that Miller didn't play at all despite: (1) already having burned his redshirt; (2) Fickel's continued insistence that both QBs will play and there is no clear #1; (3) Bauserman's medicore play yesterday; and (4) Miller not having done anything in his limited playing time thus far that would justify not giving him a look.

As far as what Bauserman or anyone else did against Akron, the team, as a whole, did look great in week one. But Akron lost to Temple 41-3 yesterday. Simply put, Akron is terrible and I don't think we should take too much from that game one way or the other.
 
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SEREbuckeye;1988687; said:
What Im getting at is that posters are forgetting Joe B's Akron game and yelling for him to be benched off of one game. These are the same posters that are crying for Braxton to come in based off of what? A spring game? 2 Quarters of scrub time against Akron? High school? Its laughable that anyone can say another player is better off of limited snaps where both QBs looked GREAT.
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then perhaps you shouldn't have taken exception with the classification of their talent, which isn't even close, let alone close.
Im sorry, with Braxton being this "amazing" athlete so far
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:lol: seriously? You're mocking that claim?
can someone remind me how Joe B did when forced to scramble out of the pocket against Akron?
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so your argument is to equate Joe's athleticism with one game against an awful defense, one that even temple shredded...

...and ignore the five years of watching his mobility in practices, scrimmages and limited action in games?


I watched him make most of the same moves from Akron... and he struggled to relocate like he usually did OSU.

I saw his sorta pump fake not fool the defense at all. Terrelle got away with the same unconvincing fakes because of the stress he put on defenses.
 
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sepia5;1988717; said:
I think most that are critical of the way the QB situation was handled yesterday are focused less on which of our two QBs is "better" and more on the fact that Miller didn't play at all despite: (1) already having burned his redshirt; (2) Fickel's continued insistence that both QBs will play and there is no clear #1; (3) Bauserman's medicore play yesterday; and (4) Miller not having done anything in his limited playing time thus far that would justify not giving him a look.
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This.^

They've committing to playing BM by burning the redshirt week one. He's the future and they have to get him ready. Plus, I think we're all aware that a few of these games this season are going to demand a mobile play-making QB if the Bucks are to win. BM needs to get as much PT as he can to get him ready for those games.

I'm very curious to see what happens against Miami next weekend with the QB situation. If Fick was afraid to play BM at home against Toledo, do we really see him playing at Miami? Make no mistake, Miami is fast...maybe not very disciplined, but definitely fast. I'm wondering if it'll turn out to be similar to the USC game during TPs fresh year when Todd had no chance as a pro style QB and the coaches finally realized their only chance for a successful season rested in the hands of a true freshman. I hope I'm way off base and paranoid here, but I can't help but wonder.
 
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I am not so sure under the current offensive system that we can beat good teams without a playmaker at QB. Our trend has shown to be good we need a great athlete playing QB. Even CK was a good rusher who moved the chains. CK, TS and TP were all very good when plays break down.....JB....hmmmm just dont see it against good teams. BM is our only hope for the future....unless the whole system is tweaked a lot. Go Bucks
 
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