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t_BuckeyeScott
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One more fun team to eliminate. I realize that projecting the draft can be great fun if we don't actually look at the rosters of the teams involved, but for the sake of accuracy the Jets took Kellen Clemons in the 2nd round last year with whom they seem to be pleased. I remember reports out of training camp saying he might win the starting job. Forget the Jets.ScarletBlood31;686947; said:
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t_BuckeyeScott
Hall of Fame
My hunch is that we can take Philly of the list as well although it makes some sense.
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ScarletBlood31
Buckeye in Blacksburg
t_BuckeyeScott;686959; said:
Good call. I knew there was something about the Jets I was overlooking. Clemons should actually be pretty good.
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BurgBuck52
So Glad You Seen Me Today
I hope he goes late in the first round to the Bears.
Grossman blows. He's so damn inconsistent.
One game 5 TD passes, the next game 5 picks.
Its gonna bite them in the ass in the playoffs.
Plus, Tim Spencer is there as the Running Backs Coach to talk him up in Lovie Smith's ear.
Grossman blows. He's so damn inconsistent.
One game 5 TD passes, the next game 5 picks.
Its gonna bite them in the ass in the playoffs.
Plus, Tim Spencer is there as the Running Backs Coach to talk him up in Lovie Smith's ear.
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briegg
Heisman
I heard a story before the Eagles Monday night game that talked about the players that Andy Reid likes - how he is more concerned with the chemistry of his locker room than with the stop watch (I can imagine this philosophy was confirmed with the whole TO ordeal). I think Troy would be a great fit here as Donovan's backup for a few years, but some opportunity to shine early when DM gets hurt. The Eagles seem to like to move the pocket quite a bit, an advantage for a QB who is not 6'4".
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HoldenesqueAlex
Rookie
I'm a bit torn about the possibility of Troy going to the Browns. On one hand, it's a great publicity move by the Browns: the hometown and state-wide hero staying home (similar to Lebron, but even closer to home). On the other hand, I wouldn't wish being in the Browns organization on my least favorite player given the track record of their first-round picks.
It would be nice to see the Browns pick someone Ohio State fans haven't already learned to hate from their college days. It's still hard to root for Kellen Winslow or Braylon Edwards, though I do it begrudgingly.
The only knock on Smith is his height, it seems. And it's not as if he's Doug Flutie, either. Wikipedia has Troy listed as 6'1", while Brady Quinn is 6'4". I'd say both of those estimates are skewed an inch or two high, but it's still not that huge of a difference. Drew Brees is 6'0", and is arguably the best QB in the league right now. Troy's arm power, accuracy, scrambling ability, decision making, and above all leadership can be matched by no other QB in this draft, and is pretty special for any draft. If someone picks up Troy in the 2nd or 3rd round, it will be a steal.
One thing that does worry me is if Troy goes to a place with weak O-line, he may struggle. I noticed this year that Troy often had all day to throw the ball (a credit to OSU's O-line), a luxury he surely wouldn't have in the NFL. His athletic ability in being able to avoid the rush may be a big factor.
It would be nice to see the Browns pick someone Ohio State fans haven't already learned to hate from their college days. It's still hard to root for Kellen Winslow or Braylon Edwards, though I do it begrudgingly.
The only knock on Smith is his height, it seems. And it's not as if he's Doug Flutie, either. Wikipedia has Troy listed as 6'1", while Brady Quinn is 6'4". I'd say both of those estimates are skewed an inch or two high, but it's still not that huge of a difference. Drew Brees is 6'0", and is arguably the best QB in the league right now. Troy's arm power, accuracy, scrambling ability, decision making, and above all leadership can be matched by no other QB in this draft, and is pretty special for any draft. If someone picks up Troy in the 2nd or 3rd round, it will be a steal.
One thing that does worry me is if Troy goes to a place with weak O-line, he may struggle. I noticed this year that Troy often had all day to throw the ball (a credit to OSU's O-line), a luxury he surely wouldn't have in the NFL. His athletic ability in being able to avoid the rush may be a big factor.
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NOTREDAMECHIEF
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HoldenesqueAlex;687144; said:
FYI - From what I have had heard Brady Quinn is 6'4".
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NOTREDAMECHIEF;687170; said:
I would agree that Quinn's height appears to be legit. At the Heisman ceremony he did indeed appear to be 3" taller than Troy at the very least.
I'd still pick Troy first. Except for the fact that you could trade down and still get Troy and end up with extra picks besides.
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BuckeyeInTheBoro
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I'll predict the Panthers trade up to get him.
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Okinawa's#1Buck
Heisman
[/quote]And for those who have issues with Smith's height, here is some trivia for you: Name the next quarterback selected after Vick in the 2001 draft. Give up? Answer: Drew Brees, who is barely 6 feet tall. [/quote]
hard to believe the entire first round went without a real QB taken (I discount any QB who is currently getting snaps at RB). That was a bad year for QB's, the next was Quincy Carter and after that was Marques Tuiasosopo, zero in the third and Chris Winkie, Sage Rosenfels and Jesse Palmer in the 4th.
It was the last great day in the life of Ken-Yon Rambo however
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hard to believe the entire first round went without a real QB taken (I discount any QB who is currently getting snaps at RB). That was a bad year for QB's, the next was Quincy Carter and after that was Marques Tuiasosopo, zero in the third and Chris Winkie, Sage Rosenfels and Jesse Palmer in the 4th.
It was the last great day in the life of Ken-Yon Rambo however
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Putting my personal feelings aside, and looking at what's best for Troy, these are what I feel would be the best situations for him in the NFL...
1. Baltimore- Who better to learn under than Steve McNair? Provided McNair stays healthy enough Troy would have a couple of years to learn under a great QB. As much as I hate the Ratbirds, they are a very solid NFL organization.
2. Eagles- McNabb's shelf life is decreasing each season. He would also be a very good QB to apprentice under for a couple of seasons to get acclimated to the pro game. One con would be the risk of being thrust into a starting role early with another McNabb injury, but I think that is something Troy could handle. Philly also has the resources to put a good team around Troy.
3. Kansas City- Another solid aging QB to learn under. Another solid organization. Helps to have a RB like LJ behind you.
4. Chicago- Is Grossman really the future there? These next few weeks will tell. Lovie Smith is a great coach, and they seem to have turned the corner as an organization.
Worst...
1. Browns- Do I really need to get into it? Would be a great PR move, but I'm a realist. The Browns are an NFL career graveyard.
2. Raiders- Same as above.
3. Lions- ""
At this point, it's really hard to say where he goes. How much will his height scare off some? I know Drew Brees is successful, but it's still a negative in the draft. The thing is, if he has another magnificent big game in the BCS Chapionship game, how can he be denied? My gut tells me he's gonna be a top-10 pick. I'd like to see one of the 4 organizations I mentioned in the top trade up for him. We'll see come April I guess.
1. Baltimore- Who better to learn under than Steve McNair? Provided McNair stays healthy enough Troy would have a couple of years to learn under a great QB. As much as I hate the Ratbirds, they are a very solid NFL organization.
2. Eagles- McNabb's shelf life is decreasing each season. He would also be a very good QB to apprentice under for a couple of seasons to get acclimated to the pro game. One con would be the risk of being thrust into a starting role early with another McNabb injury, but I think that is something Troy could handle. Philly also has the resources to put a good team around Troy.
3. Kansas City- Another solid aging QB to learn under. Another solid organization. Helps to have a RB like LJ behind you.
4. Chicago- Is Grossman really the future there? These next few weeks will tell. Lovie Smith is a great coach, and they seem to have turned the corner as an organization.
Worst...
1. Browns- Do I really need to get into it? Would be a great PR move, but I'm a realist. The Browns are an NFL career graveyard.
2. Raiders- Same as above.
3. Lions- ""
At this point, it's really hard to say where he goes. How much will his height scare off some? I know Drew Brees is successful, but it's still a negative in the draft. The thing is, if he has another magnificent big game in the BCS Chapionship game, how can he be denied? My gut tells me he's gonna be a top-10 pick. I'd like to see one of the 4 organizations I mentioned in the top trade up for him. We'll see come April I guess.
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DDN
Smith overcome by Heisman homecoming
OSU quarterback cries during reception back in hometown of Cleveland.
Associated Press
Thursday, December 14, 2006
CLEVELAND ? Troy Smith had spent days keeping it all together.
Through the whirlwind trip to New York, the nerve-racking Heisman Trophy ceremony, the endless photo sessions and interviews, Ohio State's quarterback had remained poised and polished, as unflappable off the field as on it.
But standing in front of the people who helped raise him, who love him and who know him best, Smith could no longer hold back his tears.
Presented with the No. 7 jersey he wore as a senior at Glenville High School, Smith broke down and wept.
And, a proud community cried along with him.
On Wednesday, Smith came home to Glenville ? "Home of the Mighty Tarblooders," the school Smith has credited with saving his life ? for a hero's welcome. More than 1,000 people packed the school's gymnasium for the nearly two-hour ceremony.
"You have stayed focused in the classroom, the football field and in life," said Dr. Eugene Sanders, CEO of Cleveland schools. "Out of Cleveland, Ohio, came greatness."
Smith got a key to the city from Mayor Frank Jackson, who declared Dec. 13, 2006, "Troy Smith Day."
Later, Ted Ginn Sr., Glenville's coach and a father figure to Smith, unveiled Smith's Glenville jersey, as the All-American QB broke down. Ginn, too, was overcome with emotion.
Said Smith of the day's events, "This definitely ranks at the top. I'm a Tarblooder through and through."
Smith was asked about possibly playing for the Cleveland Browns.
"I have dreamed about it and talked about it countless times with my mother," he said. "All she talks about is saving the Browns. If that were to happen, that would be a dream come true because I could stay in the community and give back."
Smith overcome by Heisman homecoming
OSU quarterback cries during reception back in hometown of Cleveland.
Associated Press
Thursday, December 14, 2006
CLEVELAND ? Troy Smith had spent days keeping it all together.
Through the whirlwind trip to New York, the nerve-racking Heisman Trophy ceremony, the endless photo sessions and interviews, Ohio State's quarterback had remained poised and polished, as unflappable off the field as on it.
But standing in front of the people who helped raise him, who love him and who know him best, Smith could no longer hold back his tears.
Presented with the No. 7 jersey he wore as a senior at Glenville High School, Smith broke down and wept.
And, a proud community cried along with him.
On Wednesday, Smith came home to Glenville ? "Home of the Mighty Tarblooders," the school Smith has credited with saving his life ? for a hero's welcome. More than 1,000 people packed the school's gymnasium for the nearly two-hour ceremony.
"You have stayed focused in the classroom, the football field and in life," said Dr. Eugene Sanders, CEO of Cleveland schools. "Out of Cleveland, Ohio, came greatness."
Smith got a key to the city from Mayor Frank Jackson, who declared Dec. 13, 2006, "Troy Smith Day."
Later, Ted Ginn Sr., Glenville's coach and a father figure to Smith, unveiled Smith's Glenville jersey, as the All-American QB broke down. Ginn, too, was overcome with emotion.
Said Smith of the day's events, "This definitely ranks at the top. I'm a Tarblooder through and through."
Smith was asked about possibly playing for the Cleveland Browns.
"I have dreamed about it and talked about it countless times with my mother," he said. "All she talks about is saving the Browns. If that were to happen, that would be a dream come true because I could stay in the community and give back."
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ABJ
Emotional day for Smith
Glenville coach and city honor OSU quarterback
By Marla Ridenour
Beacon Journal sportswriter
CLEVELAND - After eight days of luncheons and dinners, handshakes and congratulations, Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith could have been emotionally numb.
But just as he has for years, Glenville football coach and father figure Ted Ginn Sr. found a way to touch him.
During Wednesday's celebration of the Buckeye quarterback at Glenville's gymnasium, Ginn presented Smith with a gift for his first house. A glossy black frame held Smith's No. 7 jersey from his only year with the Tarblooders, as a senior in 2001.
When Smith saw it, he broke down. After a few moments, he wiped his eyes and U.S. Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, D-Ohio, swooped in to offer her hankerchief.
Smith said the jersey reminded him of the hours of preparation that went into that season and how special it felt.
``For me, that was the first time I had a real sense of family,'' Smith said. ``A great deal of people played a part in my growth. That season was love. We had a lot of kids who came from situations you wouldn't want a child to grow up in, very poverty-stricken situations, and their stories aren't told. It could only happen with men who were going to shape you with love.''
Smith remembered a pivotal summer day when Ginn told him ``the route I was taking and the attitude I had was poisoning this program.''
``It was right to the point and exactly what I needed,'' Smith said.
Ginn was just as emotional when he addressed the crowd of about 1,000.
``Troy and I had a dad-son relationship I'll always cherish,'' Ginn said. He paused as he choked up, letting out a ``Whooo,'' presumably to gather himself as a man in the stands yelled, ``Take your time, coach.''
``I appreciate what I had to endure with Troy and the things that had to happen to make him the success he is today,'' Ginn said. ``Responding to good shepherding, staying patient and poised, staying the course with his studies and his football, building character, becoming a man, giving and receiving kindness, trusting himself and others. There were late-night phone calls, sleepless nights. A lot of things had to happen to make Troy understand his mission.
``Troy, I appreciate the opportunity to make a difference in your life because you made a difference in mine.''
Smith received a key to the city from Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson and a proclamation declaring Dec. 13 ``Troy Smith Day.'' The Cleveland City Council presented him with a resolution. Sen.-elect Sherrod Brown made an unscheduled appearance.
Home Team Marketing, which has put on charity games played with Glenville, donated $1,000 to the school for college scholarships. Smith's longtime friend, Basheer Jones, a graduate of Martin Luther King High School and Morehouse College, read a poem he wrote about Smith a year ago, A Rose That Grows in the Concrete.
Also in the audience at the beginning of the program was Iowa football coach Kirk Ferentz, who flew in on a private plane to spend the day recruiting at Glenville.
``Your accomplishments have lifted us all,'' said Larry Davis, chairman of the Cleveland Board of Education. ``Even if you end up in Pittsburgh, we will still be rooting for you... well, maybe.''
That comment drew boos. But Dr. Eugene Sanders, CEO of Cleveland Municipal Schools, turned them to cheers when he followed up with, ``I think he'd look real good in a Cleveland Browns uniform, but that's just my opinion.''
Smith said he hears the same thing from his mother, Tracy Smith.
``I've talked about it several times with my mother,'' Smith said. ``All she talks about is saving the Browns.''
But Smith's mind this afternoon was more on saving Glenville.
Jones recalled the two of them as seventh-graders sitting in the basement ``crying like babies'' over the community's deplorable conditions. Smith said he grew up with youngsters more talented who could throw the ball farther than he could.
``It's sad to see youngsters get involved in a situation because they want the easy way out,'' Smith said. ``Anything in life worth having is not easy.''
Smith said he also wants to make Ohio a state where people say, `` `I want to take a vacation in Ohio. I want to live in Ohio.' '' But he knows he'll need help from the same politicians who came to laud him Wednesday.
``You can hand me keys to the city and all the handshakes,'' Smith said. ``When I call, you'd better pick the phone up.''
Emotional day for Smith
Glenville coach and city honor OSU quarterback
By Marla Ridenour
Beacon Journal sportswriter
CLEVELAND - After eight days of luncheons and dinners, handshakes and congratulations, Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith could have been emotionally numb.
But just as he has for years, Glenville football coach and father figure Ted Ginn Sr. found a way to touch him.
During Wednesday's celebration of the Buckeye quarterback at Glenville's gymnasium, Ginn presented Smith with a gift for his first house. A glossy black frame held Smith's No. 7 jersey from his only year with the Tarblooders, as a senior in 2001.
When Smith saw it, he broke down. After a few moments, he wiped his eyes and U.S. Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, D-Ohio, swooped in to offer her hankerchief.
Smith said the jersey reminded him of the hours of preparation that went into that season and how special it felt.
``For me, that was the first time I had a real sense of family,'' Smith said. ``A great deal of people played a part in my growth. That season was love. We had a lot of kids who came from situations you wouldn't want a child to grow up in, very poverty-stricken situations, and their stories aren't told. It could only happen with men who were going to shape you with love.''
Smith remembered a pivotal summer day when Ginn told him ``the route I was taking and the attitude I had was poisoning this program.''
``It was right to the point and exactly what I needed,'' Smith said.
Ginn was just as emotional when he addressed the crowd of about 1,000.
``Troy and I had a dad-son relationship I'll always cherish,'' Ginn said. He paused as he choked up, letting out a ``Whooo,'' presumably to gather himself as a man in the stands yelled, ``Take your time, coach.''
``I appreciate what I had to endure with Troy and the things that had to happen to make him the success he is today,'' Ginn said. ``Responding to good shepherding, staying patient and poised, staying the course with his studies and his football, building character, becoming a man, giving and receiving kindness, trusting himself and others. There were late-night phone calls, sleepless nights. A lot of things had to happen to make Troy understand his mission.
``Troy, I appreciate the opportunity to make a difference in your life because you made a difference in mine.''
Smith received a key to the city from Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson and a proclamation declaring Dec. 13 ``Troy Smith Day.'' The Cleveland City Council presented him with a resolution. Sen.-elect Sherrod Brown made an unscheduled appearance.
Home Team Marketing, which has put on charity games played with Glenville, donated $1,000 to the school for college scholarships. Smith's longtime friend, Basheer Jones, a graduate of Martin Luther King High School and Morehouse College, read a poem he wrote about Smith a year ago, A Rose That Grows in the Concrete.
Also in the audience at the beginning of the program was Iowa football coach Kirk Ferentz, who flew in on a private plane to spend the day recruiting at Glenville.
``Your accomplishments have lifted us all,'' said Larry Davis, chairman of the Cleveland Board of Education. ``Even if you end up in Pittsburgh, we will still be rooting for you... well, maybe.''
That comment drew boos. But Dr. Eugene Sanders, CEO of Cleveland Municipal Schools, turned them to cheers when he followed up with, ``I think he'd look real good in a Cleveland Browns uniform, but that's just my opinion.''
Smith said he hears the same thing from his mother, Tracy Smith.
``I've talked about it several times with my mother,'' Smith said. ``All she talks about is saving the Browns.''
But Smith's mind this afternoon was more on saving Glenville.
Jones recalled the two of them as seventh-graders sitting in the basement ``crying like babies'' over the community's deplorable conditions. Smith said he grew up with youngsters more talented who could throw the ball farther than he could.
``It's sad to see youngsters get involved in a situation because they want the easy way out,'' Smith said. ``Anything in life worth having is not easy.''
Smith said he also wants to make Ohio a state where people say, `` `I want to take a vacation in Ohio. I want to live in Ohio.' '' But he knows he'll need help from the same politicians who came to laud him Wednesday.
``You can hand me keys to the city and all the handshakes,'' Smith said. ``When I call, you'd better pick the phone up.''
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