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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

IronBuckI;686779; said:
I think that he should go to Indianapolis. That way Manning can start. Play all of the gimme games. Rack up a bunch of yards and continue his Dan Marino-like career. Troy can play in all of the big regular season games, and the playoffs, and get Mike Doss his championship at every level thing. :biggrin:

Seriously. He should go to any of these places:
Green Bay - Gives him a year or two on the bench to learn the system.

Minnesota - A year on the bench, or maybe not. Either way. Strong running game, improving defense, solid line. Ideal situation for a rookie QB

Carolina - People are tired of yet another Jake at QB in the NFL. Troy may start before the end of his rookie season.

Baltimore :sick1: - Hate to see a Cleveland kid go here, but it's also an ideal situation for him. McNair has, at most, three years left. Could be a good learning situation to go to a team where the head coach likes to run the ball, and your defense isn't making you play from behind all of the time.

Kansas City - Huard is a career backup. Green's going to need a replacement eventually. Not sure Herm is the best coach for QBs though.

Chicago - Rex is bad...Troy is good.

Raiders and Lions are the two teams most needing a QB but expect Quinn to go to one of those teams and Troy only going to the other if they trade down.
 
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I really have no idea, but I feel like the Eagles may be a good fit with the way McNabb has been getting injured lately, it doesn't seem like his career is going to last too much longer and they should be looking for a solid young QB who will eventually replace him fairly soon, and in the mean time will get plenty of play time when McNabb gets a year ending injuring every other year.
 
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grnvllbuck;686760; said:
I guess we'll agree to disagree then. Even though Romo has shown some promise this year, I don't think he is the long term answer in Dallas. There must be a good reason he went undrafted in 2003. If Drew Bledsoe is not in Dallas next year, they will have to draft a QB IMO.


Sure, Dallas will probably draft a QB.........but they won't use a first round/high second round pick on one. Just because Romo was undrafted doesn't mean that he's not going to be a long term starter. Kurt Warner was undrafted......he did pretty well for a few years didn't he? Tom Brady wasn't picked up early in the draft. Troy may end up in Dallas, but chances are if he does it's because he slipped into the 3rd round, someting that I think is highly unlikely.
 
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Thump;686781; said:
Raiders and Lions are the two teams most needing a QB but expect Quinn to go to one of those teams and Troy only going to the other if they trade down.
I thought about those two, but I wouldn't wish that on Troy. So I didn't.

JCOSU86;686788; said:
Didn't Green Bay use a pick on Aaron Rogers from Cal not too long ago? I would think they would put him in the situation that you have put Troy in.

I agree with Thump, he could go anywhere.
Reports about Rogers have been mostly negative and Green Bay is going to need someone to replace Favre eventually.

Green Bay along with Detroit and Oakland are some of the worst places he could go, just because they have not proven that they're capable of evaluating O-lineman. Even though I'm a Browns fan. They haven't shown that capability either, and don't want to see Troy get killed. The only reason that I put Troy in Green Bay and not those other places is the likelihood that he'd have to play behind those bad O-lines immediately, as opposed to learning his trade (in Green Bay) and then making due with the line he's given.
 
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I can't believe people are mentioning Dallas and San Fransisco. Romo had one game where didn't exactly play well. Its not even like he went out and played like Jake Plummer. Dallas drafting a QB on the first day is borderline retarded. It won't happen. San Fran has a young QB who made great strides this year. Alex Smith is even young for his year-group. Forget those teams. Do people even look at the roster of these teams before saying they could draft Troy. Sometimes I wonder.
 
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IronBuckI;686779; said:
Green Bay - Gives him a year or two on the bench to learn the system.

Minnesota - A year on the bench, or maybe not. Either way. Strong running game, improving defense, solid line. Ideal situation for a rookie QB
GB: Ever heard of Aaron Rodgers drafted in the first round 2 years ago? Edit: I see you have, but Rodgers is going to get a chance before they draft another QB

Minnie: Maybe you forgot they drafted Tavaris Jackson in the 2nd round last year who looked pretty good this preseason and is a good bet to start for Minnie when/if they are eliminated from the playoffs or next year.

The other teams yeah maybe but neither of these teams are drafting a QB. To head off others neither will Dallas or San Francisco.
 
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t_BuckeyeScott;686815; said:
I can't believe people are mentioning Dallas and San Fransisco. Romo had one game where didn't exactly play well. Its not even like he went out and played like Jake Plummer. Dallas drafting a QB on the first day is borderline retarded. It won't happen. San Fran has a young QB who made great strides this year. Alex Smith is even young for his year-group. Forget those teams. Do people even look at the roster of these teams before saying they could draft Troy. Sometimes I wonder.

Thank you!
 
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daddyphatsacs;686807; said:
Sure, Dallas will probably draft a QB.........but they won't use a first round/high second round pick on one. Just because Romo was undrafted doesn't mean that he's not going to be a long term starter. Kurt Warner was undrafted......he did pretty well for a few years didn't he? Tom Brady wasn't picked up early in the draft. Troy may end up in Dallas, but chances are if he does it's because he slipped into the 3rd round, someting that I think is highly unlikely.

They will likely look for a vetern BA via Free Agency or try to convince Drew to accept the role. If they draft a QB it would be a guy like Romo whom they would want to bring along slowly.

Did anyone see the piece about the Saints considering (preseason) offerning a trade proposal for Romo? Sean Payton knew what a gem Dallas had, but realized they'd never move him. My point being just because he was undrafted doesn't mean the Boys and atleast one other team think very highly of him.

So, back to Troy, no way he lands in Dallas. Or San Fran for that matter.
 
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BuckeyeGanoosh;686762; said:
So, I see Chicago, San Fransisco, Oakland, or Baltimore all looking for an accurate, consistent QB to have either as a backup the first season, or just further incentive to get the starter working harder for his job. As a Browns guy, it would pull my heart out to see him in a Ravens uniform, but in some dark recess of my mind, I'd probably still pull for Troy.

He could start right now for Oakland and San Fran. :biggrin:


Chicago would be an ideal situation, I would love to see Troy there, they have a great line, good defense that he could take his time and learn with instead of going someplace like Detroit or Cleveland where he may find himself forced to try and win every game.

San Fran might be a good spot though I have no idea what they are doing up there. Seems like every year they are worse. Oakland will no doubt take Quinn if they can. Al Davis still loves that gunslinger offense .

A team who already has a option system (Tennessee or Atlanta) might pick him up as a backup.
 
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Fun win anagrams

Cue funeral dirge music.:frown2:

Fellow Buckeyes, as we look forward with hope to Troy Smith's career in the NFL; I have some sobering, if not downright depressing news.:sad2:

As you know, anagrams never, ever lie. They are perfect predictors of the future. This is a well known fact that is so far beyond dispute that no one who disagrees can be taken seriously.

:cry: Well fellow Buckeyes, I have examined some of the anagrams for Troy's latest award, and they don't paint a pretty picture.:sob:

Here they are, anagrams for:

The Heisman Memorial Trophy

.......................................

Ricky Williams?
  • I'm a lean hemp hero - Troy Smith
  • Troy Smith - A menial hemp hero
  • Troy Smith - A manlier hemp hoe
  • Troy Smith - A holier name? Hemp
  • Troy Smith - A Hemp Alien Homer (From the planet Cannabisss?)
Abusive to Farm Animals?
  • Memo Troy Smith - Hairlip a Hen
Abusive to Foreigners?
  • Troy Smith - He hammer in a Pole (The bad grammar worries me)
Peace Activist?
  • Troy Smith - Help a Marine Home
Victim of a girlfriends questionable grooming choices?
  • Troy Smith - Inhale a home perm :sick1:
Merely Phenomenal???
  • Troy Smith - Hail a mere phenom

Sending cryptic messages... Stalker?
  • Troy Smith - Mail her a phoneme
I'd ask if BP can come up with more such anagrams, but I'm not sure I can take it. If you don't hear from me again, tell my wife I love her.
 
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By Jemele Hill
Page 2


Serious question: If Michael Vick was the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft, why can't Troy Smith be?




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Don't let the Heisman jinx fool you: Troy Smith can excel at the NFL level.I'm talking strictly in terms of College Vick vs. College Smith. Don't say Vick is superior because of speed. Most human beings concede Vick could probably outrun a Concorde jet. But since when is that a requirement for an NFL quarterback?


Don't say the freak factor. This isn't a PlayStation game.

Don't say passing. Smith makes throws Vick can't make right now. Not to mention, Vick completed barely a little more than half of his passes his final year at Virginia Tech (54 percent) while throwing for 1,234 yards and eight touchdowns. Compare that to Smith's astonishing senior season -- 67 percent completion rate, 30 TDs and a mere five interceptions. Smith transitioned from running quarterback to accurate pocket passer. We're still waiting for Vick to make that transition.

Don't say decision making. Check the touchdown-to-interception ratio again. Smith, who is just now being considered a top-15 pick in the April draft, can read defenses better than past and present Vick.

Don't say body of work. Smith is 10-1 against ranked teams and is the only quarterback in Ohio State history to beat Michigan three consecutive times. Smith has never shrunk in a big game. Brady Quinn has (see: Michigan this year).

Don't say height, either. Depending on who you believe, Smith is either an inch taller or shorter than Vick (who is listed at an even 6 feet).

And for those who have issues with Smith's height, here is some trivia for you: Name the next quarterback selected after Vick in the 2001 draft. Give up? Answer: Drew Brees, who is barely 6 feet tall.



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Smith has carried Ohio State more with his accurate arm than his speedy legs.Yes, the same Brees who is having the finest season of any NFL quarterback. The same Brees who dissected the Cowboys on Sunday night. The same Brees who has now successfully piloted two franchises (San Diego and New Orleans).


Coming out of Purdue, Brees had superb numbers but slipped to the second round because he was a shrimp by NFL standards and supposedly not strong enough to take the weekly beatings.

A quick refresher: Atlanta traded with San Diego so the Falcons could move up and take Vick at No. 1. In return, San Diego got LaDainian Tomlinson at No. 5 and Brees with the first pick of the second round.

Think Atlanta wants a do-over?

Think the Miami Dolphins, who elected to sign the taller, more athletic Daunte Culpepper over Brees last offseason -- officially a dumber decision than the Texans' passing on Vince Young and Reggie Bush -- want a do-over?

In 2001, everyone was so gaga over Vick's athleticism that nobody bothered to question whether he could regularly complete half of his passes. In Troy Smith, we have a quarterback who does all the right things, and yet he might as well be Gino Torretta.

NFL scouts will make the same mistake with Smith that they did with Brees. It's absolutely criminal that some people still consider Michigan State's Drew Stanton (never had a single defining win) and LSU's JaMarcus Russell (immense physical talents but not polished yet) better draft prospects than Smith.



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Brady Quinn has done nothing in college to prove he's a better prospect than Smith.It never fails. Every year one player's flaw takes on a whole new level of ridiculous importance. Last year, Vince Young annihilated virtually every defense in college football, but his Wonderlic test all of a sudden became stupidly significant.


This year, it's Smith's height. The critics act like an ewok is trying to become an NFL starter. On the other side of it, Quinn's coach and his offensive system are already the most overrated traits of any prospect. I'm not trying to take anything away from Quinn, who put up the numbers to justify his being the No. 1 pick in April, but there were very few games in which his presence alone was responsible for the Irish's winning. You never got the feeling he won the game. Besides, Quinn's most defining win this season was a comeback against a bad Michigan State team. Notre Dame hasn't beaten a top-10 team since Charlie Weis arrived in South Bend. Quinn has yet to win a bowl game and he perennially gets served up by rival USC. But there is your Maxwell Award winner for the best player in college football.

Meanwhile, there were at least half a dozen games in which Smith was the most powerful force on the field. Every Michigan game. The Penn State and Texas games this year. Iowa -- this year and last year. And, of course, Notre Dame in the 2006 Fiesta Bowl.

Against Michigan, the best defense that both Quinn and Smith faced, Quinn threw for 234 yards and three touchdowns. Smith bombed them for 316 yards and four scores. Quinn's 4-inch advantage over Smith couldn't be more overestimated.

Everything about Smith screams he is the wrong player to overlook. Yet that is exactly what will happen in April even though he had a college career that was better than one of the most glorified quarterbacks in recent memory.

But in the NFL, measurements are more valued than film. Stopwatches are trusted more than instinct.

At least there is one good thing that comes from Smith's not being a top-five pick. He's less likely to be drafted by the Detroit Lions.

Jemele Hill, a Page 2 columnist and writer for ESPN the Magazine, can be reached at [email protected].
 
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The teams that have a decent to good chance of drafting Troy are bolded

Baltimore
Buffalo
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Denver
Houston
Indianapolis
Jacksonville
Kansas City
Miami
New England
NY Jets
Oakland
Pittsburgh
San Diego
Tennessee
Arizona
Atlanta
Carolina
Chicago
Dallas
Detroit
Green Bay
Minnesota
New Orleans
NY Giants
Philadelphia
San Francisco
Seattle
St. Louis
Tampa Bay
Washington

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Baltimore
Cleveland
Houston
Oakland
Carolina
Chicago
Detroit
New Orleans
Philadelphia

Of these teams, i'd probably have to say New Orleans is least probable of drafting him, because Brees is still relatively young and they have other positions to address. Houston is also unlikely to draft a QB because Carr is decent and they need an O-line first. Either Oakland/Detroit is going to get Brady Quinn, and I have a feeling that the other will pick up another QB or defensive player. Cleveland needs line help, so they are not as likely, even though they have the hometown fan support calling for them to draft Smith.

Baltimore
A very real chance that Troy could go to the Ravens, because McNair isn't getting any younger and is beat up enough as it is. Great defense, good skill players, but still need a QB for the future and I don't think Boller is the guy for the job.

Philadelphia
Kind of the same thing as the Jets, the only difference is that the Eagles currently have an everyday reminder of how quick your star QB can be taken out. McNabb is also a very similar style QB as Smith. Both were originally "running" QBs, but have developed into great passers with great arms, and use their athleticism to buy time in the pocket and scramble when needed. McNabb is also listed at 6'2", only an inch taller than Troy. They could draft him as the future QB and have valuable time to be mentored by McNabb.

Carolina
Delhomme is very questionable right now, and many Carolina fans are getting agitated at the fact that they believe they should be super bowl contenders this year, not on the verge of losing the wild card playoff spot. Delhomme also only has so many quality years left, and Troy could go in and be part of a great future with Deangelo Williams, and have great receivers in Steve Smith and Keyshawn Johnson.

Chicago
Grossman was about on the way out as the starter but played pretty well on monday night. However, many believe that he is not the guy to get the job done, and the QB position is one that the Bears could really benefit from having a field general and great leader at. Already with a great defense and special teams, Cedric Benson is still developing and him and Troy Smith could be a great combo for many seasons to come, along with Muhammad and Berrian as quality receivers.


*EDIT : Took out the Jets.
 
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Against Michigan, the best defense that both Quinn and Smith faced, Quinn threw for 234 yards and three touchdowns.

If the author really wanted to contrast the TSUN games for Quinn and Smith, a mention of BQ's turnovers and how many points TSUN got from those turnovers would have been useful (early pick-6, Woodley's TD on the BQ fumble).
 
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