QB Realization

[crazybuckfan40]

From watching, I think CK's success stemmed from learning early what he could do, and what he couldn't, and not trying to do too much himself. I don't think Troy grasps that yet, because I think he tries to do too much at certain times, and not enough at others (I don't mean he isn't trying, just that he doesn't step up and make the correct read, runs instead of throwing it away, etc.). He just doesn't seem comfortable out there, whereas CK seemed to be in complete control of himself and the situation. With that comfort in himself comes confidence from others, and with that confidence comes leadership.

That is the thing. The light went on for Krenzel, but right now it is just flickering for Smith.

 

[BUCKYLE]

i've seen it myself that it seems our offense plays better when Troy is in, i don't know what it is, but it is just we play better

I won't pretend to know what "it" is, but the rest of the team believes in TS. That, along with the coaches, is enough for me. Win or lose, this is TS's team. Muck Fichigan. The whole thing is, the players who play, and the coaches who coach think that TS is the person to lead this team, who am I to argue?

 

[Nate]

I don't necessarily support switching QBs, but am I the only one who thinks the whole "team responds better to Smith" thing is bullshit and a lame excuse?

Just so you know, if I was the coach of tOSU I would have had Zwick as the starting QB. My use of that statement is what I've observed over the past 2 years.

IMO, Zwich is the better QB. But even if Zwick had manned the QB position the entire year, I'm not sure if our record would be much different.

 

[RMosack]

i've seen it myself that it seems our offense plays better when Troy is in, i don't know what it is, but it is just we play better

Sure, as evidenced by 10 points for the offense on the night. Of course, if you say that the offense gave PSU 7 points, that's a net three points with the great Smith under center.

That won't get it done, and it's hard to imagine the team could do any worse with any of the other three QBs on the roster.

 

[jwinslow]

Sure, as evidenced by 10 points for the offense on the night. Of course, if you say that the offense gave PSU 7 points, that's a net three points with the great Smith under center.

That won't get it done, and it's hard to imagine the team could do any worse with any of the other three QBs on the roster.

boy that's brilliant. A guy with an average arm that has no experience is a guaranteed improvement (Boeckman)... not to mention a frosh who barely knows the playbook.

I'm sure disgruntled Florida fans posted the same dribble about the backup QBs at Florida after getting demolished by Alabama's D.

Watch next week and see how many yards "the type of offense soooo many want" (Michigan) does against this D.

 

[NFBuck]

There is a reason Jim Tressel is the coach of the Ohio State University football team. There is a reason he has won multiple National Championships and coached the only 14-0 team in NCAA div 1 history. There is a reason he is 43-9 @ tOSU. If he is starts Troy Smith over Justin Zwick...there is a reason.

 

[NFBuck]

Give me Krenzel any day of the week and twice on Sunday. What a great college QB he was.

I'll take him twice on Saturday .

 

[Cicero]

Just so you know, if I was the coach of tOSU I would have had Zwick as the starting QB. My use of that statement is what I've observed over the past 2 years.

IMO, Zwich is the better QB. But even if Zwick had manned the QB position the entire year, I'm not sure if our record would be much different.

Zwick is my prefernce too, but a pocket passer needs a competent offensive line and a decent rushing attack. We have neither of these things.

 

[Cicero]

There is a reason Jim Tressel is the coach of the Ohio State University football team. There is a reason he has won multiple National Championships and coached the only 14-0 team in NCAA div 1 history. There is a reason he is 43-9 @ tOSU. If he is starts Troy Smith over Justin Zwick...there is a reason.

Yes there is, the reason is that we are stacked with skill players but the cupboard is bare when it comes to offensive lineman. We spread opposing defenses out and try to run around them because we can't run over them anymore. You saw tonight what defensive speed can do to a spread offense. You also saw what happens when a qb doesn't have field vision or leadership skills. With a competent offensive line we are headed for Pasadena with a classic pocket passer and a devastating rushing attack. Instead we are running a chuck and duck offense with Troy "Happy feet" Smith trying to be the second coming of Michael Vick every time his primary reciever is covered.

 

[RMosack]

Zwick is my prefernce too, but a pocket passer needs a competent offensive line and a decent rushing attack. We have neither of these things.

Disagree, and I refuse to discount the quality of the line or the backs. I'm so tired of people blaming the line on Smith's shortcomings. They generate enough time for a competent D-1 QB to find our quality receivers downfield. Unfortunately, he is not a competent QB. The only reason he shouldn't be fourth on the depth chart is that we don't know what RS can do.

 

[Bucklion]

Disagree, and I refuse to discount the quality of the line or the backs. I'm so tired of people blaming the line on Smith's shortcomings. They generate enough time for a competent D-1 QB to find our quality receivers downfield. Unfortunately, he is not a competent QB. The only reason he shouldn't be fourth on the depth chart is that we don't know what RS can do.

4th on the depth chart? Do you really think that Tressel, in perfect "Dr. Evil" form, says "Well, there are 3 QBs playing better every week in practice, but I'm going to start Smith, because, cuz uh, er, well, because, uh...."

I mean if we had someone that was clearly better, don't you think they'd be in there?

 

[BUCKYLE]

I mean if we had someone that was clearly better, don't you think they'd be in there?

YES.

 

[RB07OSU]

Troy Smith is a great leader. So was Stanley Jackson. I am tired of hearing this. Why do the players trust him so much when he doesn't see open guys, looks through his progressions, miss open guys downfield, and look to run 90% of the time. You said it well rmo. Pittman is a more than able back. The line is really doing a good job most of the time. Sorry Smith isn't the answer at QB. But neither is Zwick. Imo since we know both choke in pressure situations, we should give Boeckman a shot. I know it won't happen unless both QB's were hurt with Tressel. Boeckman is the best pro-style QB we have and will look through his progressions and he won't bolt since he can't bolt. At this point we aren't playing for a national title and probably not a big ten title so what is there to lose? Give Boeckman a shot and if he proves we have 3 QB's that can't get the job done then touche and pray for Shoenhoft.

 

[RMosack]

With a competent offensive line we are headed for Pasadena with a classic pocket passer and a devastating rushing attack.

For all the slams on the O-line in the Tressel era, there sure are a lot of those "incompetent Buckeyes" playing on Sundays.

 

[jwinslow]

Cicero, enough bashing something you know nothing about. BTW, skill positions include QB's and RB's, two positions we don't have any stars. I love pittman, but he's hardly a clarett, and who's after him? We don't have a single decent TE after Hamby either. So your made up line about stacking skill players is just plain false.

We have plenty of talent on the line. In 2002 & 2003, people said we had no talent on the line. Those talents go and play in the NFL. You still think its a lack of talent?