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zincfinger
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As someone who's always been a bit of a Zwick partisan, I'd suggest that we hold off on calling for the quarterback's head on a platter right now. Zwick spent 12 months getting raked through the coals of public opinion mercilessly and, in my opinion, unfairly. No need to give Smith the same treatment. Both guys have had their moments where they've looked in command and had the offense running like a well-oiled machine. And both have had their moments when they've looked a bit...inept. In both cases, I don't think it's all about the quarterback.
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BrutusBobcat
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Zinc, I'm going to go devil's advocate on you here: the problem in every OSU loss or poor offensive performance in the past two seasons has had inconsistent QB performance as it's dominant theme. Those losses have also featured some very damaging turnovers by the QB. So while maybe it's not ALL about the QB, it's been mostly about the play of the guy under center.
Looking at the big wins (Michigan, Alamo, Iowa 2005) and some others, like the Miami game, and in all of them the QB played well and made good decisions. Then look at the big losses, and you see the exact opposite.
That's really the biggest difference from the '02-'03 period to the '04-'05 teams -- having a QB who consistently made good decisions. If you could merge Krenzel's brain with Troy Smith's skills, we might have something.
Here's another point to consider -- notice Zwick's fumble on the final drive of the Texas game and Smith's last night. Now, try to imagine CK doing that. You can't, can you?
Looking at the big wins (Michigan, Alamo, Iowa 2005) and some others, like the Miami game, and in all of them the QB played well and made good decisions. Then look at the big losses, and you see the exact opposite.
That's really the biggest difference from the '02-'03 period to the '04-'05 teams -- having a QB who consistently made good decisions. If you could merge Krenzel's brain with Troy Smith's skills, we might have something.
Here's another point to consider -- notice Zwick's fumble on the final drive of the Texas game and Smith's last night. Now, try to imagine CK doing that. You can't, can you?
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BuckEyeDr
Rotunda Psycho
2 minute drill question.
Do we have a two minute drill "package", like 8-10 play/ formation combos. Should the QB have to sprint over to the sideline after a long completion, get the play from coach, run back to the huddle, relay the play and line up the team? Don't most teams use hand signals for this?
Is Troy not able to decipher hand signals? Would Justin be expected to sprint back and forth?
No wonder Troy didn't get rid of that ball, he was winded from 2 straight runs to the sidelines and back.
Anyone with coaching experience (Grad) I would appreciate your insight.
Do we have a two minute drill "package", like 8-10 play/ formation combos. Should the QB have to sprint over to the sideline after a long completion, get the play from coach, run back to the huddle, relay the play and line up the team? Don't most teams use hand signals for this?
Is Troy not able to decipher hand signals? Would Justin be expected to sprint back and forth?
No wonder Troy didn't get rid of that ball, he was winded from 2 straight runs to the sidelines and back.
Anyone with coaching experience (Grad) I would appreciate your insight.
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have you watched OSU football in the last 4 years? The QB has always run to the sidelines and received the playcall. That is not a sign of stupidity on TS' part. Krenzel did the exact same thing. So did Justin. Was there a reason you're assuming Smith is too stupid to decipher hand signals?
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zincfinger
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I phrased my remark poorly. Clearly, solid QB play is critically important, and I suspect that if this year's team had Krenzel at QB, or if Smith or Zwick had Krenzel's exceptional poise, those two tough losses may have been two tough wins. However, I don't think the too-frequent malaise on offense is all about the QB. While neither Zwick nor Smith (nor, I would imagine, anyone else on the roster) is a perfect quarterback, the offense should be more consistent with either one of them. And even if we could fantastically insert Krenzel to gut-out those tough wins, my feeling is that the offense "should" be better than that.
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RMosack
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I couldn't agree more.
As far as the O-line, even though Barton went down, the backs gained 3.87 YPC and they gave Troy ample time to throw on most of the pass plays. Unfortunately, Troy had as many "carries", 19, as BS and AP combined, but only averaged 0.8 YPC. To make matters worse, he wasted their effort in pass protection with his inability to read defenses before the snap, inability to find any receiver other than the primary, and his inability to deliver the ball both accurately and with touch. We've been seeing this from him from the beginning.
It's time for someone with QB skills at the QB position.
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BUCKYLE
Washed
OK. Everyone likes to make the Peyton Manning comparison, but tell me...
HOW MANY NC'S DID TENNECHEAT WIN WITH HIM AT QB?
A NC is something to be savored, they do not come along as often as a serious fan of any elite program would want. A loss is not something to be happy about, however, it is not something that should bring up such critisism of the team that loses. I have been a fanatic of tOSU sports in general, football inparticular since I can remember.
Take basketball for instance:
Randy Ayers had Mr. bball ohio, indiana, and shoulda been ky,(DA), yet his program was "tainted". Jim O'brien had no mr.bballs, yet it was thought he ran a clean program.
IMHO, we have a coach in JT who wins the most important games, scUM, NC, and disciplines his players accordingly. I for one will not question play calling from a coach that brought what i could only dream would someday happen in my lifetime, or execution from players who are playing at a level I could only dream of playing at. I realize alot of people love to debate such topics, but I dont honestly understand the logic.
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Yes there is a 2-minute package. There was a good shot on the broadcast of TS running to the LOS giving a formation signal and calling out the route combination name. After a long completion, he has time to get the call and get the play in while the chains and ball are being set. I understand what you are asking though. It is all about execution and "hurrying but not rushing."
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