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southcampus;1693288; said:
I don't. While I understand the demands of his employment and motivations for complying, Herbstreit has gone out of his way to show disrespect to Jim Tressel and Ohio State in recent years. OK. I buy that he needed to show he wasn't just an Ohio State homer, but there are lots of other ways to have done that.
Just think back to some of Herbstreit's comments about not sending kids to Ohio State if he was a parent and the disrespect he showed to Tressel's style of play. Tressel is way too big of a man to not forgive Herbstreit, but that doesn't mean that he or Ohio State sports administrators and players have forgotten. Herbstreit doesn't appear to be much of an insider at Ohio State anymore. Every team chasing a national championship needs some luck, but Ohio State has as good a chance as anyone thi year and the program has outperformed just about everyone on and off the field.
So, let's be frank, Herbstreit needs access to Ohio State this year and he has burnt a lot of bridges in Ohio. He tied his wagon to the Petey and Urban show and the strategy has blown up in his face. The Big Ten, about whom he laughed in several interviews last year and showed such incredible disrespect, looked a lot better than anyone expected in their bowl games. Ohio State did not blow Oregon out but it was a convincing win in the end. Iowa won. Minny lost by a point and NW lost in overtime. The PAC 10, who Herbstreit was touting so, was embarrassed by their 2-5 bowl performance.
In my opinion, the pendulum has swung. The Big Ten is back and everyone knows it. Herbstreit is feeling pretty exposed and some of his comments in the past were shameful for someone who played QB at Ohio State.
So, I think the tears may have a lot more to do with guilt or shame than his passion for Ohio State. If he had that passion for Ohio State, he would have done more than a couple things differently in the last five years.
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RugbyBuck
Our church has no bells.
Bleed S & G;1693300; said:
I was prolly a little too soapbox, but I don't care if/why he was crying. He earned the right to be, first of all, in the locker room and cry there, I guess, if that's his thing.
Also, to Steve's post, I haven't read or kept up too much with all of KH's tOSU-related comments. However, the one's I've seen I took as loyal opposition, not intended to be disrespectful to JT and the program. There may indeed be some comments that were over the line (and I suspect that to be the case given that Jax and Steve see them that way), but I don't think the offensive recruit remark was one of those.
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The point remains.....stupid analogy. As dumb as it is, what ESPN says on air actually influences the perception of the CFB world."My sister and her friends" do not represent Kirk in my scenarioI love BP and it seems pretty popular but I wouldn't quite say we're talking to a couple million people on here
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I've been to all but one home football game over the last 7 years, and after each game (most of which have been wins) as I drive home I flip on 1460 or 610 to listen to the highlights, analysis, comments etc. from the talking heads & fans.
And after just about every one of those games I inevitably hear several people calling in who I consider to be hypercritical, fanatical, nit-pickers who seem to be rarely satisfied with the end results of the game even though as I said, most have been Ws.
Now while I disagree with their overly-done, 'not good enough' approach to being a Buckeye fan, it's obvious that this type of attitude is part of what makes them ultra passionate about Ohio Stae football.
I agree that Herbie has gone out of his way over the years to take swipes at The Big Ten, OSU & even Tressel, but I view it as someone who is very passionate about the Buckeyes and when he gets frustrated with them (along with his blatant desire to not be viewed as a Homer) his pendulum swings all the way to the hyper-critical which then has shown up in his work.
We've all wished to see the Buckeyes put a 72 - 6 beat down on lesser opponents like Florida / USC have done in the recent past.....and we used to somewhat get that with Coop, but I don't want Coop back, and I'm sure Herbie doesn't either.
He's said and done lots that I disagree with, but if I had cameras following me around nearly 24/7 during college football season, I'd say plenty that might make me look like less than the unwavering Buckeye fan too.
Long & short of it, I don't question Kirks passion for the Bucks.
And after just about every one of those games I inevitably hear several people calling in who I consider to be hypercritical, fanatical, nit-pickers who seem to be rarely satisfied with the end results of the game even though as I said, most have been Ws.
Now while I disagree with their overly-done, 'not good enough' approach to being a Buckeye fan, it's obvious that this type of attitude is part of what makes them ultra passionate about Ohio Stae football.
I agree that Herbie has gone out of his way over the years to take swipes at The Big Ten, OSU & even Tressel, but I view it as someone who is very passionate about the Buckeyes and when he gets frustrated with them (along with his blatant desire to not be viewed as a Homer) his pendulum swings all the way to the hyper-critical which then has shown up in his work.
We've all wished to see the Buckeyes put a 72 - 6 beat down on lesser opponents like Florida / USC have done in the recent past.....and we used to somewhat get that with Coop, but I don't want Coop back, and I'm sure Herbie doesn't either.
He's said and done lots that I disagree with, but if I had cameras following me around nearly 24/7 during college football season, I'd say plenty that might make me look like less than the unwavering Buckeye fan too.
Long & short of it, I don't question Kirks passion for the Bucks.
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billmac91
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Merih;1693802; said:
But he doesn't make stupid, ridiculous comments. Speils may say "My God, it looks like a pillow fight down their", in reference to Ohio State getting no push on an overmatched Marshall front 4, but he won't say something as assanine as "Ohio State's loss tonight just set the Big 10 back 50 years". And Kirk says dumb things with a straight face...part of me actually thinks he believes it in the moment, which just makes his commentary stupid then. Because a couple years later, and the Big 10 looks to be on solid ground ...and where they ever that bad, or do we just suffer in bowl games b/c we send our #5 team to play SEC #3 team?? Where is that commentary vs. blowing smoke everywhere else? Either he goes out of his way to not seem biased, or he just makes really dumb arguments. He can't have it both ways.
Did he really think the Big 10 was on the verge of becoming a MAC conference, or did he just want to prop the SEC up and bang on the Big 10 to be fashionable??
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
But the point is that Herbie is NOT an employee of The Ohio State University. He is not an employee of the OSU Athletic Department. He is paid by a national corporation to act as a sports journalist, not a sports fan and certainly NOT an Ohio State fan.
There are some who watch and listen to sports and want to hear only their team's side and there are announcers who fill that need (in which case you turn off the National TV audio and listen to the Homer)
I prefer someone more along the lines of Vin Scully who calls the game as independently as possible.
OSU fans, especially those who were raised in Columbus, remember the days of Paul Hornung and Woody Hayes, the remora and shark -- coach and sports writer -- relationship that got played out each day in the Dispatch sports pages. The sad part of that relationship seems to me to be that it caused Woody to assume that the press had no right, no reason, to question or criticize what he did. Over the years his inability to realize that not every story was going to be censored for the good of his program, and that his actions would be open to criticism, allowed him to assume he could continue in the same direction for as long as he was able to recruit and win.
There are some who watch and listen to sports and want to hear only their team's side and there are announcers who fill that need (in which case you turn off the National TV audio and listen to the Homer)
I prefer someone more along the lines of Vin Scully who calls the game as independently as possible.
OSU fans, especially those who were raised in Columbus, remember the days of Paul Hornung and Woody Hayes, the remora and shark -- coach and sports writer -- relationship that got played out each day in the Dispatch sports pages. The sad part of that relationship seems to me to be that it caused Woody to assume that the press had no right, no reason, to question or criticize what he did. Over the years his inability to realize that not every story was going to be censored for the good of his program, and that his actions would be open to criticism, allowed him to assume he could continue in the same direction for as long as he was able to recruit and win.
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Me too, but that doesn't require stupidity to achieve that role.
I like someone fair and balanced, not someone who will go off the deep end with internet troll hyperbole to try and protect that stance.
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RugbyBuck
Our church has no bells.
But he hasn't said anything that's particularly and obviously wrong. There have been times when the B10 other than tOSU and State Penn has looked like the MAC. There have been times that our O-line has looked like it was on roller skates. There have been times when our offensive system (lots of them, actually) looked liked it couldn't get out of first gear. While UT was close in the bowl and we were more in the LSU game than many gave us credit for being, USC has kicked our arse and UF woodshed us.
Herbie is a commentator not a journalist. Even so, nothing I've seen that he's said or written was just flat wrong. Yes, he kissed Petey's arse a little and Mack Brown, but doing so doesn't make him anti-Tress. Does anyone actually think that he wouldn't want the Buckeyes to roll through the schedule and bowl every year and get every 5-star recruit we want?
Herbie is a commentator not a journalist. Even so, nothing I've seen that he's said or written was just flat wrong. Yes, he kissed Petey's arse a little and Mack Brown, but doing so doesn't make him anti-Tress. Does anyone actually think that he wouldn't want the Buckeyes to roll through the schedule and bowl every year and get every 5-star recruit we want?
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