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QB J.T. Barrett (B1G FOY, All American, Silver Football Award, 3x B1G QBOY, National Champion)

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Jagdaddy said:
I think so too. Of the three, he clearly goes through progressions the best and is best at making the right reads on the zone read (notwithstanding what appeared to be a missed read that got him hurt). He is also IMO, the best at putting playmakers in position to get YAC by being on-time and accurate in the short and medium-range passing game. Finally, I'll even make the bold claim that he's the best runner: Even though he's less gifted with his legs than Braxton, I think that he has better situational awareness, is better with ball security, and is not as far behind in terms of explosiveness relative to Braxton or power relative to Cardale as announcer types and other fans might think.

I do think that one big edge that Cardale has over him is a short memory: JT seems like a perfectionist, and when he screws up it seems like it takes him another bad series or two before he gets back on track. I'd like to see him raise his mental game in that respect and expect that he will.

All that said, I'm ecstatic to see the Buckeyes roll with any of them.
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agreed with all of this. Interesting take on the short memory thing as I've never thought about it before and I must say I agree. What would baffle me was how JT would throw darts for 10 throws then he would overthrow a WIDE OPEN guy just trotting into the endzone and on the next 4-6 throws you would see him start do the same thing (save the whole into the endzone thing). He seemed very streaky, when he was on he was really on but if he had a bad throw he would be very off for the next 5 or so throws. It's all so difficult because each QB brings something to the table.

If JT would scramble less, be more vocal, and be a tad more consistent with his throws it would be a landslide. I still think he's our best QB in almost every criteria but the three things I just mentioned (as well as arm strength) but I must say I liked Cardale going up and down the sideline engaging our team and with CJ it just seemed like you knew what you were going to get every game.
 
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BUCKYLE said:
I love all three, but he's light years away from Cardale as far as strength goes. Then again, so is my car.
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I don't disagree exactly, but I think it's a distinction without much of a difference in the run game: JT very consistently seems to be powerful enough to get the tough yards when he needs them (even if he doesn't make us ooh and ah by posterizing DTs while doing so). The arm strength difference does matter: To me it just doesn't override the rest of JT's edges at this time.

All that said, Cardale will have a nice head start on the others in the Spring and his physical advantage may be the trump card if his reads and short and intermediate passing timing and accuracy tighten up: He can improve most of his main deficiencies: Absent "Winter Soldier" surgery, JT isn't going to grow a 12 gauge.
 
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matcar said:
Considering his lack of arm strength, I don't see any way that JT leaves early. I don't see him having NFL potential unless his arm strength jumps significantly. None of that matters at the moment as he's an awesome college QB.
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He's been in the program for two years now. If he's behind Jones this year and then starts and lights it up in 2016, that'll be four years in the program...he'll be gone. His "arm strength" won't improve between year four and year five in the program.
 
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bukIpower said:
agreed with all of this. Interesting take on the short memory thing as I've never thought about it before and I must say I agree. What would baffle me was how JT would throw darts for 10 throws then he would overthrow a WIDE OPEN guy just trotting into the endzone and on the next 4-6 throws you would see him start do the same thing (save the whole into the endzone thing). He seemed very streaky, when he was on he was really on but if he had a bad throw he would be very off for the next 5 or so throws. It's all so difficult because each QB brings something to the table.

If JT would scramble less, be more vocal, and be a tad more consistent with his throws it would be a landslide. I still think he's our best QB in almost every criteria but the three things I just mentioned (as well as arm strength) but I must say I liked Cardale going up and down the sideline engaging our team and with CJ it just seemed like you knew what you were going to get every game.
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Cardale seemed to bring the team up and they were playing loose and just out having fun. I am sure they were with JT as well but you could see a confidence in them in game time and interviews at media day
 
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matcar said:
Considering his lack of arm strength, I don't see any way that JT leaves early. I don't see him having NFL potential unless his arm strength jumps significantly. None of that matters at the moment as he's an awesome college QB.
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Arm strength only means so much to NFL teams, accuracy means more. Not only accuracy but work ethic and being able to break down film as well. JT Is a very hard worker with very very good accuracy. Jamarcus Russell could throw the ball 80yds and was out of the league in 3yrs. Chad Pennington had a wet noodle for a arm and played for what seemed like a decade as a starter. I bet the Browns and Bengals would love a guy that can consistently get their WRs the ball effectively, as would a number of other teams(I.e Bills, Jags, Texans, Titans, etc). Arm strength is overblown at times by fans.
 
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pnuts34 said:
Arm strength only means so much to NFL teams, accuracy means more.
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No, arm strength without accuracy only means so much. JT has a very average college arm which is weak by NFL standards. He may decide he's ready to get his career started after 4 years, especially if he is unlikely to improve his stock that much in year 5, but he's unlikely to be a coveted draft commodity.

The other part of this is that 2016 will be a bit of a rebuilding year. Elliott*, Thomas, Smith, Vannett, Boren, Decker, Farris, Bosa*, Washington, Schutt, Perry depart. Bell, Cardale, Lee, Apple will think about it. Ash and/or Ed could be moving on to new jobs. That might not be the best season for an NFL audition.
 
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matcar said:
I agree that his arm strength won't improve, but neither will his NFL prospects. He will be here for the duration.
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So you're implying he'll never be higher than a 2nd or 3rd round pick? That's the only reason why he'd stay past his fourth year, assuming that Cardale is indeed the starter for 2015 and bails for the 2016 draft.

Had Barrett not gotten injured and if he were draft eligible right now I guarantee you he would've bailed after this season, because he would've been a projected first-rounder (early 2nd rounder at worst) and Meyer would've told him to go.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
So you're implying he'll never be higher than a 2nd or 3rd round pick? That's the only reason why he'd stay past his fourth year, assuming that Cardale is indeed the starter for 2015 and bails for the 2016 draft.

Had Barrett not gotten injured and if he were draft eligible right now I guarantee you he would've bailed after this season, because he would've been a projected first-rounder (early 2nd rounder at worst) and Meyer would've told him to go.
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Barret, I'm my IMO, isn't an NFL QB. He simply doesn't and won't ever have the arm strength to be one. So yeah, I rhink he stays all 4 years because I doubt the NFL has a place for him. Look, I love the guy and actually think he's the one to start next year, but From what I've seen, what he has translates really well at tOSU, not in the NFL.
 
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matcar said:
Barret, I'm my IMO, isn't an NFL QB. He simply doesn't and won't ever have the arm strength to be one. So yeah, I rhink he stays all 4 years because I doubt the NFL has a place for him. Look, I love the guy and actually think he's the one to start next year, but From what I've seen, what he has translates really well at tOSU, not in the NFL.
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No way he stays five years...the NFL will draft him and draft him high. RGIII had 37 TD passes and a 189.48 rating his final year, and Russell Wilson had 33 TD passes and a 191.78 rating the same year (and Wilson is smaller and slower than Barrett). Both of them had multiple years of experience. Barrett had more TD passes and total TDs than did Wilson and had a solid 169.8 rating (take out his VT game and that rating soars). And Barrett did that in his first year being on the field. Another year like he had this year, whether it be in 2015 as starter or in 2016 as Jones' replacement and he's gone...period.
 
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