QB J.T. Barrett (B1G FOY, All American, Silver Football Award, 3x B1G QBOY, National Champion)

[sparcboxbuck]

The ongoing criticism of a guy and his skills by people who do not know him on a personal level nor have his skills continues to amaze me.

Strap on the helmets and go out there and do it yourselves. If you haven’t, there’s probably a pretty damn good reason for that. Until one even attempts to compete at that level, one should temper their words... and perhaps frequency as well.

 

[Zurp]

Again...context please.

He made me eat my words for one game and followed it by the worst game played by an OSU QB since Bellasari..ok, maybe Pryor had a few.

Joe Bauserman.

The most impressive thing about the MSU smashing is that our QB played horribly.

"Horribly"? He was 14/21, 183 yards with 2 TDs and 2 Interceptions. Sure - both of those interceptions were very bad decisions and no one can defend him on that. And I'd bet that most of those incompletions were inside the red zone, when the offense was moving along nicely, until whoever was calling the plays decided to get cute. (The second interception also falls into this category.) Either way, I'm not going to praise his game being the greatest ever against Michigan State, but it was closer to "great" than it was to "horrible". I'd say that those stats are what an Ohio State quarterback should have in a 48-3 win.

 

[GovTressel]

The ongoing criticism of a guy and his skills by people who do not know him on a personal level nor have his skills continues to amaze me.

Strap on the helmets and go out there and do it yourselves. If you haven’t, there’s probably a pretty damn good reason for that. Until one even attempts to compete at that level, one should temper their words... and perhaps frequency as well.

That standard eliminates nearly all critical observations one could ever have about anyone. It's impractical and silly.

 

[Zurp]

The ongoing criticism of a guy and his skills by people who do not know him on a personal level nor have his skills continues to amaze me.

Strap on the helmets and go out there and do it yourselves. If you haven’t, there’s probably a pretty damn good reason for that. Until one even attempts to compete at that level, one should temper their words... and perhaps frequency as well.

I get your point, but I don't think it bothers me that much. Sure, it's easy for us to criticize a quarterback on a bad decision - we're sitting here in our comfortable couches/chairs, watching on TV, with the benefit of a semi-overhead view, no crowd noise or pressure, and probably most important of all, no risk of getting blind-sided. A couple buddies and I were talking about this last night - the quarterback isn't taller than the lineman - he has to be looking around/between them when he's looking to pass. I'd like to see some quarterbacks have cameras inside their helmets - I want to see what they see. (That's the closest I'd get to being in that spot, which is on par with your point.) Anyway, all that doesn't bother me that much.

What I think bothers me is that this guy has done a tremendous job - breaking pretty much every passing record at Ohio State. Fans are so delusional about what their quarterback should be. The guy threw something like 18 touchdowns and 1 interception to a certain point in the season. Did you really think he was going to finish the season like that? Heaven forbid he have a couple of games that make him appear human.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._T._Barrett

I'm not saying those stats are better than anyone else's, but pick someone else at Ohio State and see how they compare.

Here, I'll start:

Troy Smith - 420/670 (62.7%), 54 TDs, 13 Ints, 5,720 yards. QBR = 159.72.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

That standard eliminates nearly all critical observations one could ever have about anyone. It's impractical and silly.

Well, that's your opinion man... I find it impractical and silly that someone who's not played a sport -- at a similar level, where you've got restricted vision and someone looking to take your frick'n head off when you're trying to do your job -- should be so bold as to level criticism of a 20-something year old kid who's risking their health for someone's entertainment.

Was that sufficient context?

 

[GovTressel]

I get your point, but I don't think it bothers me that much. Sure, it's easy for us to criticize a quarterback on a bad decision - we're sitting here in our comfortable couches/chairs, watching on TV, with the benefit of a semi-overhead view, no crowd noise or pressure, and probably most important of all, no risk of getting blind-sided. A couple buddies and I were talking about this last night - the quarterback isn't taller than the lineman - he has to be looking around/between them when he's looking to pass. I'd like to see some quarterbacks have cameras inside their helmets - I want to see what they see. (That's the closest I'd get to being in that spot, which is on par with your point.) Anyway, all that doesn't bother me that much.

What I think bothers me is that this guy has done a tremendous job - breaking pretty much every passing record at Ohio State. Fans are so delusional about what their quarterback should be. The guy threw something like 18 touchdowns and 1 interception to a certain point in the season. Did you really think he was going to finish the season like that? Heaven forbid he have a couple of games that make him appear human.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._T._Barrett

I'm not saying those stats are better than anyone else's, but pick someone else at Ohio State and see how they compare.

Here, I'll start:

Troy Smith - 420/670 (62.7%), 54 TDs, 13 Ints, 5,720 yards. QBR = 159.72.

Again, you can't look at stats in a vaccum. If you do, you'd conclude that Craig Krenzel was an abomination. Offensive scheme, surrounding talent, competition, etc... Looking at a single layer of stats, without any advanced metrics or consideration of context only gives you a very shallow picture.

 

[GovTressel]

As a lifelong Buckeyes fan I obviously love the kid...I just acknowledge his shortcomings as a passer. He's lights out in the read-option game, and our greatest stretches of success with him at QB have been when we rely on that exact thing.

 

[Zurp]

Again, you can't look at stats in a vaccum. If you do, you'd conclude that Craig Krenzel was an abomination. Offensive scheme, surrounding talent, competition, etc... Looking at a single layer of stats, without any advanced metrics or consideration of context only gives you a very shallow picture.

Fair enough. Since you brought it up, let's look at Craig Krenzel's stats:



I would say that's FAR from an abomination. I'd say that those numbers are pretty close to what I would have expected. This is getting off topic, but I'd say that Krenzel was just what Ohio State needed: not a play-maker, directly, (though he made good plays at clutch times), but he got the ball to the playmakers effectively. If you're a baseball fan (I'm not, really), I'd say he was a clutch #7 hitter in the line-up. He batted maybe .260, but with RISP in the 7+ inning, he batted about .400. Try batting him 3rd or 4th and the overall scoring output will drop. In my opinion...

So let's try taking statistics out of it. Are we really going to look at every play of every game of ever season? And take into account the offensive scheme, surrounding talent, etc.? Because that's the only way to do it fairly. You seem to be on the more negative side of "reality", and I may be on the more positive side. We can each cherry-pick the plays where we try to prove our point, and counter-point, until the cows come home. The statistics may give a "shallow" picture, but I don't see a way to get a better picture. I honestly see your point and find it fair. But I'm going to stick with statistics + 3-4 sentences to show that JT Barrett has been an extremely productive quarterback this year, and his previous 3 years, and Ohio State is lucky to have him. I don't care how good people here think Haskins is - if we don't see a major drop-off in production next year, I'll be very surprised (and excited).

 

[sparcboxbuck]

As a lifelong Buckeyes fan I obviously love the kid...I just acknowledge his shortcomings as a passer. He's lights out in the read-option game, and our greatest stretches of success with him at QB have been when we rely on that exact thing.

I think that's a fair way to think about it. It's balanced, right? And while it seems as though my initial response was directed at you in particular, it wasn't... you just happened to be the last post prior to my response.

At the end of the day, they are kids doing their best. They owe us nothing, yet they walk away heartbroken when they don't give us what we hope for. Heartbroken for us? Maybe, maybe not. Certainly heartbroken for their teammates and brothers... And when it's put in the context of everything else going on in college football -- on and off the field -- they are doing a heck of a job. This one, in particular, given what has been asked of him and what he's had to endure in his stay.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

As a lifelong Buckeyes fan I obviously love the kid...I just acknowledge his shortcomings as a passer. He's lights out in the read-option game, and our greatest stretches of success with him at QB have been when we rely on that exact thing.

You keep saying this, and yet

 

[jwinslow]

 

[bukIpower]

Joe Bauserman.



"Horribly"? He was 14/21, 183 yards with 2 TDs and 2 Interceptions. Sure - both of those interceptions were very bad decisions and no one can defend him on that. And I'd bet that most of those incompletions were inside the red zone, when the offense was moving along nicely, until whoever was calling the plays decided to get cute. (The second interception also falls into this category.) Either way, I'm not going to praise his game being the greatest ever against Michigan State, but it was closer to "great" than it was to "horrible". I'd say that those stats are what an Ohio State quarterback should have in a 48-3 win.

2 ints is horrible in any game let alone on basically 10% of his throws.

We are a power running team... just don't throw ints

 

[dragurd]

"Horribly"? He was 14/21, 183 yards with 2 TDs and 2 Interceptions. Sure - both of those interceptions were very bad decisions and no one can defend him on that. And I'd bet that most of those incompletions were inside the red zone, when the offense was moving along nicely, until whoever was calling the plays decided to get cute. (The second interception also falls into this category.) Either way, I'm not going to praise his game being the greatest ever against Michigan State, but it was closer to "great" than it was to "horrible". I'd say that those stats are what an Ohio State quarterback should have in a 48-3 win.

The interceptions weren't horrible decisions they were horrible throws. First one he puts a little air under it and Dixon might still be running. Second throw an actual jump ball to your 6'4 reciever and at worst it's an incompletion and likely a touchdown.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Well, some aren't gonna be very happy about this news:

J.T. BARRETT MAKES FINAL FIVE FOR JOHNNY UNITAS GOLDEN ARM AWARD

 

[Zurp]

The interceptions weren't horrible decisions they were horrible throws. First one he puts a little air under it and Dixon might still be running. Second throw an actual jump ball to your 6'4 reciever and at worst it's an incompletion and likely a touchdown.

Good points on both. However, I think it was a terrible decision to call a passing play on the second one. Run the stupid ball! Wasn't that the first play after the Bucks got an interception? The defense gives you a red-zone possession, and you've got two backs who have been torching the opponent all game long.
But, yeah - throw that one higher and it's either 55-3 on that play or a couple of plays later when they decide to actually run the ball in.