QB J.T. Barrett (B1G FOY, All American, Silver Football Award, 3x B1G QBOY, National Champion)

[ShowMeBuck]

Passer rating of 270.9 yesterday. Awful. Can we just get rid of this guy?

Would be an easy time to say "look at the opponent" and "when has he come anywhere close to doing that against a quality team" and there really isn't a debate. TTUN, Clemson, OU......

Love JT but he really needs a '14 MSU game to quiet the doubters not UNLV.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Would be an easy time to say "look at the opponent" and "when has he come anywhere close to doing that against a quality team" and there really isn't a debate. TTUN, Clemson, OU......

Love JT but he really needs a '14 MSU game to quiet the doubters not UNLV.

And it would be a good time to point out that - excluding John Borton 1952 against Wazzu (4-6) and Tony Curcillo 1951 against Iowa (2-5-2) - only Craig Krenzel v.San Jose State (6-7) and Troy Smith 2005 Sparty (5-6) have ever, in the history of Ohio State football, had a higher single game passer rating.

When Ohio State beat 2-10 Illinois 52-22 in 2012, Braxton's passer rating was not 270.9
When Ohio State Florida A&M 76-0 in 2013.. no QB had a rating of 270.9
Ohio State beat Eastern Michigan 73-20 in 2010... Pryor's passer rating was less than 270.9

You see where I'm going with this "It was just UNLV" argument?

 

[Onebuckfan]

Yea but he is incapable of winning the game this team will never play.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

He bombed the fuck out of Sparty.

Love JT but he really needs a '14 MSU game to quiet the doubters not UNLV.

4 weeks. Let the offense grow. Don't peak too soon.

 

[ShowMeBuck]

4 weeks. Let the offense grow. Don't peak too soon.

This is a valid point. Peak at the right time.

Looking back it was simply remarkable how different the '14 team looked at the end vs. the beginning to the season. Just unreal.

 

[ScriptOhio]

JT is the starting QB so just.....

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

Highest paid QB in the NFL tonight.


STATS CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT RAT
This Game 19 31 118 61.3 3.81 21 1 2 52.

Not comparing the NFL to the NCAA. Just wondering which fan base will bitch more about the performance of each QB.

 

[kinch]

And it would be a good time to point out that - excluding John Borton 1952 against Wazzu (4-6) and Tony Curcillo 1951 against Iowa (2-5-2) - only Craig Krenzel v.San Jose State (6-7) and Troy Smith 2005 Sparty (5-6) have ever, in the history of Ohio State football, had a higher single game passer rating.

When Ohio State beat 2-10 Illinois 52-22 in 2012, Braxton's passer rating was not 270.9
When Ohio State Florida A&M 76-0 in 2013.. no QB had a rating of 270.9
Ohio State beat Eastern Michigan 73-20 in 2010... Pryor's passer rating was less than 270.9

You see where I'm going with this "It was just UNLV" argument?

I don't disagree with your point, but to objectively identify the worries that some people have with Barrett, some other data should be considered.

The passer rating is dependent on reception percentage, yards, and TDs, to be simple. So. . . If one throws short easy passes, that nails number one. If the receiver gets lots of YAC, that gets two, and maybe three. The offense as a whole gets three.

If the worry is that short passes are "easy," and that makes up most of everything else, his rating could be exceedingly high just by, for an extreme example, always passing 0.5 yards behind a wall of three ogre demons. Sure, none of that would say much about him as a quarterback, but his rating would be awesome if they marched downfield for a TD every time.

So, less fancifully, I am curious what his rating is without YAC. A "pure" rating many use. Or even without touchdowns, but rather how far he gets downfield, how often, and how accurately, on any play. This might address things quite differently.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I don't disagree with your point, but to objectively identify the worries that some people have with Barrett, some other data should be considered.

The passer rating is dependent on reception percentage, yards, and TDs, to be simple. So. . . If one throws short easy passes, that nails number one. If the receiver gets lots of YAC, that gets two, and maybe three. The offense as a whole gets three.

If the worry is that short passes are "easy," and that makes up most of everything else, his rating could be exceedingly high just by, for an extreme example, always passing 0.5 yards behind a wall of three ogre demons. Sure, none of that would say much about him as a quarterback, but his rating would be awesome if they marched downfield for a TD every time.

So, less fancifully, I am curious what his rating is without YAC. A "pure" rating many use. Or even without touchdowns, but rather how far he gets downfield, how often, and how accurately, on any play. This might address things quite differently.

I guess for my part, I don't much give a shit if he's hitting the long ball. I am not saying this towards anyone here necessarily, but throwing the long ball doesn't exist in a vacuum. What I mean is, so what? If the short game is working, so be it. It's not like the run game is suffering because JT hasn't been able to take the top off a defense. Seems to me to be much ado about nothing.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I guess for my part, I don't much give a [Mark May] if he's hitting the long ball. I am not saying this towards anyone here necessarily, but throwing the long ball doesn't exist in a vacuum. What I mean is, so what? If the short game is working, so be it. It's not like the run game is suffering because JT hasn't been able to take the top off a defense. Seems to me to be much ado about nothing.

I won't go so far as to say it's much to do about nothing but I generally agree.

My feeling is that Wilson seems to have come to grips with what he can and cannot do well (why it took this long is another matter). It's starting to look like Wilson finds himself at IU with a QB who can't throw deep to save his life but is accurate short and has an army of really fast guys for him to distribute to. What would he do but work on the horizontal passing game? Maybe it took so long because urban had the fascination with the deep ball and Wilson (along with the OU debacle) has finally won the argument that it's a fools errand given JT's attributes? We will never know but it's starting to look that way to me.

Regardless of why, I think they are on the right track logically; perfect the crossing routes/bubble screens/RPO packages to go with a very good run game against this 5 week run of weak teams and see if it's enough to beat the good teams.

I don't know if it will be good enough or not but what else are they going to do? Barrett can't throw deep consistently enough. This is a known fact. The only thing that can make that weakness worse is to pretend it doesn't exist.

So if people are going to get upset that Barrett isn't threading the needle 15+ yards downfield on his 70 yard TD's then they just need to get get set for disappointment. He can't do that consistently.

On the flip side, people might want to consider that even the good teams still have to tackle OSU's athletes in space if they can get the short game going.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I won't go so far as to say it's much to do about nothing but I generally agree.

My feeling is that Wilson seems to have come to grips with what he can and cannot do well (why it took this long is another matter). It's starting to look like Wilson finds himself at IU with a QB who can't throw deep to save his life but is accurate short and has an army of really fast guys for him to distribute to. What would he do but work on the horizontal passing game? Maybe it took so long because urban had the fascination with the deep ball and Wilson (along with the OU debacle) has finally won the argument that it's a fools errand given JT's attributes? We will never know but it's starting to look that way to me.

Regardless of why, I think they are on the right track logically; perfect the crossing routes/bubble screens/RPO packages to go with a very good run game against this 5 week run of weak teams and see if it's enough to beat the good teams.

I don't know if it will be good enough or not but what else are they going to do? Barrett can't throw deep consistently enough. This is a known fact. The only thing that can make that weakness worse is to pretend it doesn't exist.

So if people are going to get upset that Barrett isn't threading the needle 15+ yards downfield on his 70 yard TD's then they just need to get get set for disappointment. He can't do that consistently.

On the flip side, people might want to consider that even the good teams still have to tackle OSU's athletes in space if they can get the short game going.

Yeah, 'Much ado about nothing' probably overstates it a bit, I agree. Like you're saying, though, there's no magic in it just for the sake of it. Ever since Cardale took the lid off Bama, it seems people - including corch - think that's the recipe for success and anything less is low octane. I mean, fuck, OSU put up 664 yards last week and people are wondering how we're going to get this fixed???!?!?

I personally think the effectiveness of the long ball is simply in a willingness to throw it. Granted, those passes need to be caught - especially when your QB (who can't throw the deep ball, mind you) hits the WR on the fucking hands. Still, I maintain, just throwing it keeps the defense honest. I'll tell you this, though, if JT doesn't complete a long pass for the next couple games, PSU's DBs aren't just gonna let OSU's deep routes lay wide open.

I don't know, and certainly not towards you Jax, but it seems there's the "long ball for the sake of the long ball" mentality. I don't care if Paris Campbell takes it 73 yards to the house with 72 yards YAC or 10, I just want him to take it to the house. And, considering he's done that twice already, maybe we keep that in the playbook, stop whining, and enjoy, no?

 

[Jaxbuck]

I personally think the effectiveness of the long ball is simply in a willingness to throw it. Granted, those passes need to be caught - especially when your QB (who can't throw the deep ball, mind you) hits the WR on the fucking hands. Still, I maintain, just throwing it keeps the defense honest.

I think the book on JT is so well known that he would have to actually connect many times and on multiple weeks for a DC to actually respect the deep ball at this point. Just my opinion.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I don't know, and certainly not towards you Jax, but it seems there's the "long ball for the sake of the long ball" mentality. I don't care if Paris Campbell takes it 73 yards to the house with 72 yards YAC or 10, I just want him to take it to the house. And, considering he's done that twice already, maybe we keep that in the playbook, stop whining, and enjoy, no?

sorry, browser closed. as i was saying......

I think it's just a matter of probabilities and expectations at this point.

I'd rather know they were putting themselves in a position to execute on the short stuff as well as humanly possible because the deep stuff is essentially impossible.

I will always take my chances with probable vs impossible so yeah, quit whining. I'm not banging Jessica Alba anytime soon and JT Barrett isn't turning into Dan Marino mid way through his 5th year of college.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

sorry, browser closed. as i was saying......

I think it's just a matter of probabilities and expectations at this point.

I'd rather know they were putting themselves in a position to execute on the short stuff as well as humanly possible because the deep stuff is essentially impossible.

I will always take my chances with probable vs impossible so yeah, quit whining. I'm not banging Jessica Alba anytime soon and JT Barrett isn't turning into Dan Marino mid way through his 5th year of college.

 

[MDino51]

I don't think we can underestimate the need to have someone with a little bit of ego/personality/guts in the OC position. I would rather have Urban than not but look at the type of people Herman and Wilson are vs. Warriner/Beck...

I hope this is a "coach if you let us work on these plays we can still be a success" type situation. Because the common thread has been Urban....