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QB Antonio Henton (transfer to Ga. Southern and FT. Valley St.)

Dispatch

Commentary
Judge's scolding of player was out of place

Friday, September 28, 2007 5:19 AM
By Ann Fisher



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The great underpinning of the American judicial system is the premise that we are innocent until proven guilty. Still, we judge, don't we?

That's OK because most of us aren't the real judge.
It's different, however, when, during an arraignment, a real judge dishes up a lecture that implies guilt, making a series of statements that would better complement a sentencing.
I'm talking about Judge Amy Salerno's scolding of now-suspended Ohio State University quarterback Antonio J. Henton. Henton pleaded not guilty on Tuesday to charges of soliciting an undercover police officer for sex.

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Alright everybody, relax. This is an example of exactly what I was talking about, and others have mentioned.

I'm well aware of my right to criticize anyone. I assume when you refer to my rights you are referring to the legal aspect of our rights which many American's take pride in. I've been criticized a lot--as everyone has. I can handle it though. For what it is worth, I've broke the law in a lot of ways--beyond speeding tickets. I am not proud of what I've done, at an even younger age than Antonio, but certainly wouldn't expect anyone to take it easy on me because of my age. In fact, in some of the circumstances I think the courts and my parents were far too lenient. The only point I am trying to make is many student athletes these days live a double standard. To get a scholarship to the Ohio State University you have to be the cream of the crop. You have to know you have a chance of playing football professionally and that is likely the reason you would go to a school like OSU. These kids get thousands of dollars in benefits and incentives to play a kid's game. A kid's game where millions watch them and cheer them on. If they're talented enough, they get paid millions of dollars to play it on the next level. I know these kids aren't saints, I'm aware that they aren't devils as well. They are, however, receiving opportunities beyond many of our wildest imaginations. If they so choose to act in such a manner, soliciting sex from a prostitute, they better be prepared to hear about it. If he had a 400 yards of total offensive production game, he would expect the same thing. I personally think it is the student athletes responsibility to accept everything that comes with being a big time athlete at a big time school--including criticism. He could have done worse things, you're right. But that doesn't make his offense acceptable or even tolerable.

I don't know Antonio, that is true. I don't see how that is relevant. You just made comments about Michael Vick. You don't know him and I don't think it really matters. Whether the student athlete likes it or not, by choosing this path they are celebrities. He might have had a rough upbringing from a poor area. I don't think that exempts him from criticism either. Nor would it exempt him from legal implications for his actions. Maurice Clarrett didn't have a very good upbringing and you won't see anyone on here excusing his behavior. It is important that people criticize Antonio. He needs it. When you screw up, you need to be reminded of the implications of your actions. These kids get an opportunity to go to school for free, something people are dying for in the middle east right now. I won't sympathize for him. He is more than welcome to tell me where to put my criticisms. I might even help him pick up a girl without paying for it. Maybe we could be friends, maybe not. I don't really care. I don't look up to athletes anymore, I kind of grew out of that. I see all people as the same and Antonio is going to get his balls busted like I would bust the balls of a coworker for the same offense. If he chooses to make something of any potential second chances, good for him. But I won't be there applauding him for doing something he is supposed to: obeying the law.

Also, it is contradictory to start your post out saying I have a right to criticize someone and then proceed to tell me how much of a hypocrite I am for passing "judgment." I didn't even pass judgment, I made a point that he is going to get his balls busted as he should. I don't think that says anything about his character, but it is below the standards we should set for our athletes. As another mentioned, we've had some problems with our athletes obeying the law and some of us may even remember the question marks around our coaching staff's ability to maintain control over their athlete's behavior. He was implicated in soliciting sex from a prostitute. That is a serious crime. I'm sure Ohio State is proud of his academic and athletic achievements. We aren't criticizing those. Just relax.
 
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kn1f3party;943197; said:
Alright everybody, relax. This is an example of exactly what I was talking about, and others have mentioned.

I'm well aware of my right to criticize anyone. I assume when you refer to my rights you are referring to the legal aspect of our rights which many American's take pride in. I've been criticized a lot--as everyone has. I can handle it though. For what it is worth, I've broke the law in a lot of ways--beyond speeding tickets. I am not proud of what I've done, at an even younger age than Antonio, but certainly wouldn't expect anyone to take it easy on me because of my age. In fact, in some of the circumstances I think the courts and my parents were far too lenient. The only point I am trying to make is many student athletes these days live a double standard. To get a scholarship to the Ohio State University you have to be the cream of the crop. You have to know you have a chance of playing football professionally and that is likely the reason you would go to a school like OSU. These kids get thousands of dollars in benefits and incentives to play a kid's game. A kid's game where millions watch them and cheer them on. If they're talented enough, they get paid millions of dollars to play it on the next level. I know these kids aren't saints, I'm aware that they aren't devils as well. They are, however, receiving opportunities beyond many of our wildest imaginations. If they so choose to act in such a manner, soliciting sex from a prostitute, they better be prepared to hear about it. If he had a 400 yards of total offensive production game, he would expect the same thing. I personally think it is the student athletes responsibility to accept everything that comes with being a big time athlete at a big time school--including criticism. He could have done worse things, you're right. But that doesn't make his offense acceptable or even tolerable.

I don't know Antonio, that is true. I don't see how that is relevant. You just made comments about Michael Vick. You don't know him and I don't think it really matters. Whether the student athlete likes it or not, by choosing this path they are celebrities. He might have had a rough upbringing from a poor area. I don't think that exempts him from criticism either. Nor would it exempt him from legal implications for his actions. Maurice Clarrett didn't have a very good upbringing and you won't see anyone on here excusing his behavior. It is important that people criticize Antonio. He needs it. When you screw up, you need to be reminded of the implications of your actions. These kids get an opportunity to go to school for free, something people are dying for in the middle east right now. I won't sympathize for him. He is more than welcome to tell me where to put my criticisms. I might even help him pick up a girl without paying for it. Maybe we could be friends, maybe not. I don't really care. I don't look up to athletes anymore, I kind of grew out of that. I see all people as the same and Antonio is going to get his balls busted like I would bust the balls of a coworker for the same offense. If he chooses to make something of any potential second chances, good for him. But I won't be there applauding him for doing something he is supposed to: obeying the law.

Also, it is contradictory to start your post out saying I have a right to criticize someone and then proceed to tell me how much of a hypocrite I am for passing "judgment." I didn't even pass judgment, I made a point that he is going to get his balls busted as he should. I don't think that says anything about his character, but it is below the standards we should set for our athletes. As another mentioned, we've had some problems with our athletes obeying the law and some of us may even remember the question marks around our coaching staff's ability to maintain control over their athlete's behavior. He was implicated in soliciting sex from a prostitute. That is a serious crime. I'm sure Ohio State is proud of his academic and athletic achievements. We aren't criticizing those. Just relax.

Please explain
 
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jwinslow;942216; said:
This makes zero sense. If it's wrong, it's wrong... regardless of an emotional response by a coach, who responded to a classless attack.

I was saying it isn't wrong. It is a double standard.

No, every kid doesn't... and pretending like every kid is the same and starved for attention is reckless and ignorant.

I don't think my assumptions are any more misguided than yours about these kids. I don't think all of them are like that, just most. You follow the recruiting process enough to know what goes on. With your logic, the coaches are committing borderline child abuse for showing them the temptations of their facilities, for having other blue chip athletes take them under their wing for a weekend, for having the fans cheer for them as they come in to the stadium during their official visit. If anything, when looked at objectively, my assumptions are a little more open minded than your traditional, subjective, assume they're all naive children who don't know what to do unless their mommy tells them to approach.

By the way, enjoying attention because it is given by a huge University with an outstanding athletic program doesn't necessarily mean a kid is starved for attention. Who wouldn't enjoy that? If he didn't like it, he likely wouldn't have came here.

The gundy issue continues to be irrelevant to this topic. If you want to write a novella, try doing so in the gundy thread.

Ok.
 
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I'm going to miss Henton coming in as another running back in the 2nd half when the main guns need rest this weekend. Oh well.

Guess RoScho gets lots of time to finally prove himself. Especially since Minnesota is so week against the pass.

:oh:
 
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Haven't weighed in, but I figure it's time.....

What pisses me off most about this whole situation is people being so quick to throw Henton out with the bath water. Hooley, on 1460, being a great case in point.... Figures Henton should be off the team for good. Etc...

Well, as is becoming the custom in America, everyone wants an instant resolution to a thing that takes months.... Suppose the prosecutor drops the charges against Henton... Where are all the "He's gotta go!" folks then? The guy is guilty of precisely NOTHING right now. Of course he should still be with the team. Of course he should still be allowed to practice... the fact that he was at the very least in a situation leading to this, makes his suspension for playing in games make sense...

I, frankly, don't care if Henton solicited a prostitute. I dont see the real "crime" in this "crime" anyway. That's simply my opinion, and I don't expect any one to agree. But, some folks are talking like Henton's Public Enemy Number One, and that's absurd. And.... as I said... right now, all he's done is been ACCUSED of a crime. I think it'd be best if - and of course, this is why the following has become a bit of a joke around here - we wait and see how it plays out...
 
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I agree and disagree. I agree that he is innocent until proven guilty. That won't prevent myself, or many people criticizing him. I don't think he should be thrown out--even if he is guilty. I believe in second chances.

I don't agree with you that his crime isn't a crime, but we can agree to disagree here.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;943235; said:
I, frankly, don't care if Henton solicited a prostitute. I dont see the real "crime" in this "crime" anyway. That's simply my opinion, and I don't expect any one to agree. But, some folks are talking like Henton's Public Enemy Number One, and that's absurd. And.... as I said... right now, all he's done is been ACCUSED of a crime. I think it'd be best if - and of course, this is why the following has become a bit of a joke around here - we wait and see how it plays out...
BINGO!

I believe lv mentioned earlier that it is actually quite easy to wind up getting yourself busted in a police sting if you decide to get cute and start screwing around. Having re-read the early pages of this thread re: Henton's recruitment, I'm quite comfortable believing that Henton is a good young man from a great family with a great upbringing. He made a mistake that may or may not have been simply a case of wrong place, wrong time, messin' with the wrong person.

It's best to just keep the speculation at a minimum, unless anyone can step forward with all the details of exactly what happened. Until Oct 15, or thereabouts, Antonio isn't guilty of anything right now -- he has only been accused of a misdemeanor, and he has pleaded not guilty to the charge.
 
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It's history now. What is important now if how he deports himself from this moment on. Sometime from the time of his arrest until another point he has a decision to make. To straighten up and fly right or the path that gets him in trouble again.
I can't see Tressel going easy on him time and time again, it just isn't going to happen.
I wish him the best.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;943235; said:
Haven't weighed in, but I figure it's time.....

What pisses me off most about this whole situation is people being so quick to throw Henton out with the bath water. Hooley, on 1460, being a great case in point.... Figures Henton should be off the team for good. Etc...

Well, as is becoming the custom in America, everyone wants an instant resolution to a thing that takes months.... Suppose the prosecutor drops the charges against Henton... Where are all the "He's gotta go!" folks then? The guy is guilty of precisely NOTHING right now. Of course he should still be with the team. Of course he should still be allowed to practice... the fact that he was at the very least in a situation leading to this, makes his suspension for playing in games make sense...

I, frankly, don't care if Henton solicited a prostitute. I dont see the real "crime" in this "crime" anyway. That's simply my opinion, and I don't expect any one to agree. But, some folks are talking like Henton's Public Enemy Number One, and that's absurd. And.... as I said... right now, all he's done is been ACCUSED of a crime. I think it'd be best if - and of course, this is why the following has become a bit of a joke around here - we wait and see how it plays out...

Seems obvious, but... I'd prefer that people judge/criticize what he [allegedly*] did and not Antonio as a person.

Of course, how people judge individuals is usually a product of their actions... but... as has been pointed out... we don't know him personally, or know if this is something he thinks is okay.

But, as has been mentioned ad nauseaum... I don't think that anyone thinks it okay "after the fact" that Troy Smith took money from a booster... or that MoC filed a false police report (etc, etc, etc)... but... in retrospect, we see them much differently now than we did when they first committed their respective transgresssions. Why? Because one learned from his mistake (or at the very least, didn't repeat it) and has given himself the chance to realize his dream of being and NFL football player, and the other is in prison.

Fortunately for Antonio, Coach Tressel (TRUST THE COACHES :wink: ) is of the opinion that we shouldn't be "out young people in a position where they don't have a second chance"-- And... yeah... I think athletics aside, I think that's something that I prefer to see Ohio State as a whole reflect, it is, after all an institution of learning, where we should strive to improve ourselves and those around us.. Sure, the attention and bad pub we get when you put the word "prostitute" into a crime sucks... oh, what's more fun than a sex scandal, but personally, I prefer to take the scrutiny and give him at least one more chance to succeed, in whatever form that takes.

So, yeah, what he did was bad... very bad. As to what kind of person he is... I think we'll find out in time.

*I only say Alleged, because that's where we are, not because I have I'm trying to put forth and opinion that he did or didn't "do it"
 
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CPD

OSU FOOTBALL
Ohio State reserve QB Henton will return Monday


Friday, September 28, 2007 Doug Lesmerises
Plain Dealer Reporter
Columbus -- Though still suspended from games, Ohio State third-string quarterback Antonio Henton will return to the Buckeyes on Monday and take part in practice next week.
If anyone believes that's too soon for Henton to rejoin the team after his arrest for soliciting a prostitute on Monday, that isn't coach Jim Tressel's first concern.
"I don't want to say I don't care [about outside opinions]," Tressel said Thursday, "but I care a lot about Antonio, and I'm basing my decision on how much I care about him, and that there's a process."

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mooktarr;943269; said:
It's history now. What is important now if how he deports himself from this moment on.

Is Antonio leaving the country?
I agree with what you are trying to say - just get yourself a dictionary, dude! (comports) :wink2:

OSUBasketballJunkie;943175; said:

I read what the judge said, as I'm sure almost everyone on here did, and I didn't think he in any way "scolded" Antonio. He only iterated what Antonio already knew (which he acknowledged with his body language) and was very encouraging to him with his closing remarks.
 
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NightmaresDad;943352; said:
I read what the judge said, as I'm sure almost everyone on here did, and I didn't think he in any way "scolded" Antonio. He only iterated what Antonio already knew (which he acknowledged with his body language) and was very encouraging to him with his closing remarks.
The judge was a she, not a he. :wink2:
 
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OSUBasketballJunkie;943302; said:

Pretty good article, except for this part:

Tressel has made similar rulings in the past.
When starting quarterback Steve Bellisari was charged with drunken driving the day before the Illinois game in 2001, he was suspended against the Illini, reinstated but benched against Michigan the following week and then returned to lead Ohio State's win over South Carolina in the Outback Bowl.

I think Tressel is doing this properly. You can't turn your back on him for one mistake, especially if he's showing regret for his actions (I don't know that Antonio is showing regret - I'm just guessing that he is). Support your players, but don't simply let them off the hook for screwing up.
 
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