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Game Thread Purdue at tOSU, Oct 20th, Noon ET, ABC/ESPN2

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BuckeyeTillIDie;2239857; said:
To add to this, the entire presentation of this game was the worst I have ever seen in any sport. It was just a cluster-fuck all over the place yesterday.
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Speaking of prespintation..Did I hear correctly that Joey mentioned that UFM said there weren't any good linebackers out there to recruit?
 
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BuckeyeTillIDie;2239857; said:
To add to this, the entire presentation of this game was the worst I have ever seen in any sport. It was just a cluster-fuck all over the place yesterday.
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we had the espin F-team. that doesn't just show us the bad announcing crew, it gives us the worst camera and sound guys as well.

HorseshoeFetish;2239864; said:
Speaking of prespintation..Did I hear correctly that Joey mentioned that UFM said there weren't any good linebackers out there to recruit?
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Yes, you did.
 
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lvbuckeye;2239829; said:
the officials were straight up garbage for the first 60+ minutes of the game, so i don't think it was much of a surprise. :lol:
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I said this during the game - Big Ten refs by nature are incompetent. Look at what they employ in Basketball season. The same infection has gotten to the football refs as well.
 
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HorseshoeFetish;2239870; said:
Somehow I think that was taken way out of context. I find it hard to believe UFM said it that way. Let alone feels that there are NO linebackers in HS worth recruiting.
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Maybe, maybe not. Take a look at the recruiting forum for more info I'd guess.

Without actually seeing or hearing the conversation between the two of them, who can honestly say one way or the other?
 
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Crewdawg;2239757; said:
Bradley Roby stopped, smiled and talked to my five year old daughter, and gave her his skull cap. What a great guy!
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I hope that she didn't give him a tattoo in return....

Anyway, some comments about the team and the game.

The main problem with this team can best be illustrated by a series that occurred in the fourth quarter. Purdue punts into the end zone, and Ohio State receives the ball at their own twenty with 6:03 left to play. On first down, Guiton throws a nice pass to Devin Smith, who catches the ball at the 28-yard line. If he heads up field immediately, he easily gets the first down and the clock stops with approximately 5:55 remaining. Instead, he immediately heads outside trying to make the big play, and gained one additional yard, leaving the Buckeyes with second-and-one and the clock running.

On second down, Carlos Hyde takes a hand-off designed to go between the tackles, but bounces it outside trying to make the big play; he loses one yard, leaving the Buckeyes in third-and-two with the clock running.

On third down, Hyde goes up the middle for no gain.

On fourth down, Hyde finally finds a seam and goes for nine yards, stopping the clock with about 4:25 left in the game.

So the Buckeyes had to run three plays and burn 90 seconds because Devin Smith tried to make the big play instead of making the smart play.

I have seen many players on both offense and defense suffering from "big play syndrome", and I think that it can explain a lot of the missed tackles, dropped passes, stupid penalties, and that sort of thing. Too many guys are trying to be game breakers instead of just making the routine plays all the time.

Ironically, the biggest offender is Braxton Miller. Of course, Miller is the one guy on the team who really can make big plays out of little ones, but I believe that many of his bad plays - misreads, hesitations, poor decisions, fumbles - come from him trying to do to much, trying to be a hero when all the team needs is a good soldier. Moreover, Braxton's numerous injuries are the result of his fighting for an extra yard or two when the smart play is to head for the sidelines or slide to the ground. Sure, it's nice to turn a 30-yard run into a 37-yard run, but not if you end up in the hospital as a result.

I have to "blame" Coach Meyer for this outbreak "big play syndrome". Coach Tressel emphasized making the smart play, Coach Meyer emphasizes making the big play. There's certainly nothing wrong with Coach Meyer's philosophy, but I think that some guys are having trouble adjusting to the speed of the game under their new head coach, that whole "two steps beyond" thing. Two steps beyond is great, so long as you are headed in the right direction to begin with. Eventually, the players will learn to go hard and be smart at the same time.

As far as the game itself, it was reminiscent of the 2002 season, when five games (Cincinnati, Purdue, Illinois, Michigan, and Miami) essentially came down to the last play. Barring something crazy happening, Kenny Guiton and Chris Fields will probably be remembered as the answer to a trivia question, but for that one moment two seldom-used reserves deservedly shared the glory of leading Ohio State to an improbable victory.

Even if the Buckeyes go 12-0 this year, which is a very real possibility, I really doubt that they will be worthy of a top-five ranking. Maybe not even a top-ten ranking. But after the debacle of 2011, it is nice to see the team learning how to win games once again.

As bad as Ohio State's offense has looked at times, the vaunted Michigan attack has been held to 14 points or less on three separate occasions, and twice they have been denied the end zone. Despite Brady Hoke's claim that he wants to run an I-formation power scheme, quarterback Denard Robinson remains the entire offense, and when opponents shut him down, the Wolverines go nowhere. It will be interesting to see how Michigan fares after Robinson leaves the program at the end of the year.
 
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LordJeffBuck;2239888; said:
Even if the Buckeyes go 12-0 this year, which is a very real possibility, I really doubt that they will be worthy of a top-five ranking. Maybe not even a top-ten ranking.
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I can agree with the first sentence, but not the second. There won't be a whole lot of undefeated teams this year, and if we do go undefeated--no matter how ugly we look in doing so in a pretty down conference--we definitely deserve a top-10 "team" ranking. Good teams find a way to win and that's what we've done so far...
 
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LordJeffBuck;2239888; said:
I have to "blame" Coach Meyer for this outbreak "big play syndrome". Coach Tressel emphasized making the smart play, Coach Meyer emphasizes making the big play. There's certainly nothing wrong with Coach Meyer's philosophy, but I think that some guys are having trouble adjusting to the speed of the game under their new head coach, that whole "two steps beyond" thing. Two steps beyond is great, so long as you are headed in the right direction to begin with. Eventually, the players will learn to go hard and be smart at the same time.
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I think there's something to that. I'll add a little something to it though... The guys that are being asked to make big plays were brought in under the Tressel/Bollman system. With its conservative style, many of the big plays in that era seemed to come down to individual effort and/or improvisation. This isn't the first time we've seen players play like that trying to break a big one. Think back to Terrelle Pryor... How many times did we see him go one way, then run backwards 10, 15 or 20 yards to reverse his field trying to make a big play? He broke some big ones that way, but he broke their backs other times.

Under the new regime with it's more aggressive playcalling and more exotic playbook, the opportunity for big plays is going to be there more often just by (as you said) being a good soldier. While I appreciate the individual effort and creativity, sometimes making the correct read or choosing the correct lane is all that's needed to make the play a big one. I think that will come with time. The offense has had stretches of brilliance, but I don't think they are fully indoctrinated yet.
 
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Think back to Terrelle Pryor... How many times did we see him go one way, then run backwards 10, 15 or 20 yards to reverse his field trying to make a big play? He broke some big ones that way, but he broke their backs other times.
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Exactly. I remember a home night game against Penn State when Pryor had an easy first down on a run late in the game and instead tried to bounce it outside to make the big play and fumbled. That turnover pretty much ended any chance of Ohio State winning the game. Penn State drove down the field for a field goal and a 7 point lead and it was desperation time for Ohio State.
 
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I just returned from the game and I'm not sure I can add much if anything to what has been posted.

Those of us that stayed saw an epic ending and yes it got damned loud in there. No one was sitting. Cheers of dee-fense rang out around the stadium before the last stop and the Urban cheers, Buckeye Swag and Carmen, Ohio after the game was as fun a celebration as I have been part of in Ohio Stadium.
 
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"Good teams find a way to win". I think that's the essence of what we are seeing. It doesn't matter if it's a "pretty" win. Winning is the bottom line.
If "pretty' really mattered, Oregon would be National Champion every year.
Th SEC wins with defense. The SEC has won the last 6 BCS Championships and is on track to win it again.
 
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