Proof of the Existence of God

[Mac]

First, I have argued on other threads that I believe God necessarily would have to be able to know at least 1 more thing than me to be greater than me.

Second, it certainly does not follow that because we don't understand everything about medicine, God is real and acting by doing mircales

Third, is it your contention that God wants us to be as stupid as possible? It would bring a great many things I've seen and heard from various people over the years into quite a bit of focus concerning their world views,that's for sure. Including the Catholic church.. lol

Fourth, what in the wide wide world of sports does that have to do with your primary argument, that natural disasters are up...

First, I guess that means there are millions of Gods out there because there are people out there smarter than you and I

Second, God doesn't just do miracles in the medical world

Third, I never said he made us to be as stupid as possible. I believe that there are things that the human brain cannot and will not ever be able to comprehend. For example, we can't comprehend the length of eternal life

Fourth, we're supposed to be talking about sports here?

 

[jwinslow]

Really? How many people die in the US Civil War? WWI? WWII? The Holocaust? Stalin's camps? I just don't see any basis for the conclusion that the world is a more violent place than it was 70 years ago.

I think we simply have more awareness of the bad things in life today. I would guess that is a major inspiration for future school shootings as well.

I agree that Mac's statement was rather naive, as was Mili's about it being the pinnacle of gruesome child deaths (which he followed up with a pat on the back for being too evolved for silly beliefs :p).

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Then why does person 1 with same symptoms/treatment as person 2 survive. But person 1 dies?

Because they're different people.

 

[AKAK]

Because they're different people.

Were.

Were different people.

One is dead now.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

First, I guess that means there are millions of Gods out there because there are people out there smarter than you and I

You guess wrong. I'd like to believe you can follow simple English, Mac.. Please, help me out here. I was agreeing with your assertion that God necessarily knows more than us. I made no assertion that I am the smartest thing in the universe, that you were, or that anyone smarter than me or you would therefore be a god, much less God.

Second, God doesn't just do miracles in the medical world

Before we move on to talking about other things you assert without an offer of proof, why don't you prove one medical miracle first.

Third, I never said he made us to be as stupid as possible. I believe that there are things that the human brain cannot and will not ever be able to comprehend. For example, we can't comprehend the length of eternal life

Hate to burst your bubble, but I can comprehend eternal life. It's eternal. Is this another one of those plain English issues? I also have little problem grappling with infinity and actual nothingness. Though, I must admit, there are a lot of things about the nature of time which truly confound me.

Fourth, we're supposed to be talking about sports here?

Friggin bowl ban!

 

[PlanetFrnd]

I believe he was speaking about future events that could be traced to certain signs, but he didn't know when it would take place.

That's not the common scholarly view of this, but whatever. Faith is faith.

When Jesus came back, the apostles had lots of questions, including when all of this would go down, which was answered as satisfyingly as any Tressel press comment:
He also said the gospel had to be preached to all nations, which has definitely not happened, given the natives discovered in deep recesses of the jungle recently.

Is this a new thought or related to the above?

 

[Brewtus]

Well the first reason would be the hope that one doesn't just simply cease to exist one day, that after death there is something. The hope for an after life is obviously the most practical implication. In terms of him not answering prayers, curing the sick etc. Again that would depend on how abstract you want to get here. There isn't evidence that he overrides the laws of the universe, but if he did create the universe and those laws why would he have to? If you assume he is an omniscient presence, could you not then suggest that the world he set in motion would provide the intended solutions despite the seemingly infinite # of variables that fall into place (aka destiny I suppose). I mean I don't know how important every single individual is or what exactly his end game would be, but then again I am not omniscient.

But hope that something is true is not a good reason to believe that it actually is true. If I jumped off a tall building and hoped I could fly or if I hoped I could cure cancer, would that make it any more true? I personally think it's better to believe what's true in life, even if it means that it might be harder to cope with tragedy and hardships. The realities of life can be difficult, but accepting those realities and dealing with them is preferable than spending your whole life wishing for things to be different or using religion/God as a drug to numb yourself.

And not to go off on yet another tangent on this thread, but I don't necessarily agree that an afterlife is a good thing. There are many scenarios of an afterlife in heaven that I could see as being absolutely horrific.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Were.

Were different people.

One is dead now.

Fuck. That's right.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

But hope that something is true is not a good reason to believe that it actually is true. If I jumped off a tall building and hoped I could fly or if I hoped I could cure cancer, would that make it any more true? I personally think it's better to believe what's true in life, even if it means that it might be harder to cope with tragedy and hardships. The realities of life can be difficult, but accepting those realities and dealing with them is preferable than spending your whole life wishing for things to be different or using religion/God as a drug to numb yourself.

Well, you're clearly no Ped State fan....

 

[Mac]

Just because I say the end times are near doesnt mean there is a date on it like the Mayans. I'm just going by what the bible clearly states.

1. The reemergence of Israel....the Jews were surely thought to be annihilated in the Holocaust. Now, they are back in their land. Ezekiel 37:11-13....talks about the resurgence of Israel

2. Jerusalem becomes a heavy stone and the world focus. Some will try to take it over, but none will be successful. Zechariah 12: 2-3

3. Knowledge and travel will be robust. Daniel 12:4

4. Exponential growth on earth. Mathew 24:3-8 talks about some of the things we will face before the end. In fact it's the end, but the beginning

5. Wars/Famines/Earthquakes..again Mathew 24:3-8

6. False Prohesis...Mathew 24:3-8

7. Rise of Russia and countries surrounding (Gog/Magog Alliance)....Ezekial 38:1-9

8. Rise of a global government...Revelation 13:7. One man/group will rule the world. Look at all of these unions countries belong to now a days

9. Gods word spread throughout the world...Mathew 24:14 states "And the good news about the Kingdom will be preached throught the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come. It's also said again in Revelations 14:6-7


That is what I am going off of

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Just because I say the end times are near doesnt mean there is a date on it like the Mayans. I'm just going by what the bible clearly states.

1. The reemergence of Israel....the Jews were surely thought to be annihilated in the Holocaust. Now, they are back in their land. Ezekiel 37:11-13....talks about the resurgence of Israel

2. Jerusalem becomes a heavy stone and the world focus. Some will try to take it over, but none will be successful. Zechariah 12: 2-3

3. Knowledge and travel will be robust. Daniel 12:4

4. Exponential growth on earth. Mathew 24:3-8 talks about some of the things we will face before the end. In fact it's the end, but the beginning

5. Wars/Famines/Earthquakes..again Mathew 24:3-8

6. False Prohesis...Mathew 24:3-8

7. Rise of Russia and countries surrounding (Gog/Magog Alliance)....Ezekial 38:1-9

8. Rise of a global government...Revelation 13:7. One man/group will rule the world. Look at all of these unions countries belong to now a days

9. Gods word spread throughout the word...Mathew 24:14 states "And the good news about the Kingdom will be preached throught the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come. It's also said again in Revelations 14:6-7


That is what I am going off of

Oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck. we're doomed. Travel is just so damned robust!

 

[AKAK]

Oh [censored] oh [censored] oh [censored]. we're doomed. Travel is just so damned robust!

Yet another conservative ignoring our crumbling infrastructure.

 

[Mac]

Oh [censored] oh [censored] oh [censored]. we're doomed. Travel is just so damned robust!

Maybe we should go back to the horse riding days

 

[jwinslow]

That's not the common scholarly view of this, but whatever. Faith is faith.

I believe what he thought and what he knew were two different things. (grannie nevada?)

Then again, my brain starts to melt when I dwell on the Partial Preterist, Full Preterist, etc arguments.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

I believe what he thought and what he knew were two different things. (grannie nevada?)

Then again, my brain starts to melt when I dwell on the Partial Preterist, Full Preterist, etc arguments.

I'm not talking about preterism, per se, I'm talking about a historical view of who John of Patmos was, and what he was writing about in about 100 AD/CE relative to the world around him.