Poker Cowardice

[souL]

No kidding..I'm sure there are a lot of guys that have already posted in this thread who have made over 3 million playing poker...Strong armchairness on a non athletic game.

I've beaten moneymaker like a dog whenever we're at the same table. Moneymaker still plays a pretty regular tournament schedule and has VERY little success. In his 5.5 years since becoming champ, Moneymaker's been in the red (in terms of pure poker. He still makes good money from all of his endorsements, camps, appearances, etc.) every single year. People project him to be in the red in terms of total profit within the next two years.. so by then I WILL have made more money playing cards than him. The game was not NEARLY as advanced when he won in 2003, and the fields were not nearly as good, despite the fact that ESPN will tell you it was full of top pros. This game has LONG passed Money by. Though he "made" 2.5 million in tournament earnings (mostly all in one fell swoop) his overall body of work is well below 3 million and never got above that. He's not a winning player, and he never will be.

I don't want to go into further detail about him because he's too nice of a guy but he can be pretty self-destructive.

Tells are NOT most evident in the eyes and face. Tells are most evident in the hands. It generally all comes together as one package and they need to be read together, but most of a poker player's emotion comes from moving chips into the pot.

 

[powerlifter]

I've beaten moneymaker like a dog whenever we're at the same table. Moneymaker still plays a pretty regular tournament schedule and has VERY little success. In his 5.5 years since becoming champ, Moneymaker's been in the red (in terms of pure poker. He still makes good money from all of his endorsements, camps, appearances, etc.) every single year. People project him to be in the red in terms of total profit within the next two years.. so by then I WILL have made more money playing cards than him. The game was not NEARLY as advanced when he won in 2003, and the fields were not nearly as good, despite the fact that ESPN will tell you it was full of top pros. This game has LONG passed Money by. Though he "made" 2.5 million in tournament earnings (mostly all in one fell swoop) his overall body of work is well below 3 million and never got above that. He's not a winning player, and he never will be.

I don't want to go into further detail about him because he's too nice of a guy but he can be pretty self-destructive.

Tells are NOT most evident in the eyes and face. Tells are most evident in the hands. It generally all comes together as one package and they need to be read together, but most of a poker player's emotion comes from moving chips into the pot.

If you feel you are a better player then him..Kudos to you,but not everyone is. Regardless of everything else,and all the negative talk..He still won a 2 million dollar tourney,that's more then what most people accomplish in multiple lifetimes.

A question I must ask..How does one lose his poker game?

 

[powerlifter]

Just because I can't cover a D1 WR doesn't mean Morgan Trent is a good cornerback.

Yea,I've heard that on multiple occasions from you...Call me crazy,but I think there's a difference in physical talent,and playing cards...but that's just me. Laugh Laugh Laugh giggle giggle and what not.

 

[souL]

If you feel you are a better player then him..Kudos to you,but not everyone is. Regardless of everything else,and all the negative talk..He still won a 2 million dollar tourney,that's more then what most people accomplish in multiple lifetimes.

A question I must ask..How does one lose his poker game?

Yes wow, he won a 2 million dollar event. It's like saying someone's better than another for winning a 10,000$ lottery the other never entered. It proves nothing. "Poker over a long period of time probably 90% skill, but any one tournament is probably 90% luck." - Chris Fergueson. "Think of it like a lottery, except the better you are, the more tickets you get for your money." - Dan Harrington.

The game Chris Moneymaker had was never really great, but never really getting any better at poker didn't help Chris at all. Chris's style of play works well on the old guard's mentality of small ball poker and less aggressive play. Also, being a newcomer helped Chris a lot. You're never at more of an advantage in poker than the first time someone sees you play. All of this, a lot of luck, and admittedly a few damn good calls got Chris that victory.

 

[powerlifter]

Yes wow, he won a 2 million dollar event. It's like saying someone's better than another for winning a 10,000$ lottery the other never entered. It proves nothing. "Poker over a long period of time probably 90% skill, but any one tournament is probably 90% luck." - Chris Fergueson. "Think of it like a lottery, except the better you are, the more tickets you get for your money." - Dan Harrington.

The game Chris Moneymaker had was never really great, but never really getting any better at poker didn't help Chris at all. Chris's style of play works well on the old guard's mentality of small ball poker and less aggressive play. Also, being a newcomer helped Chris a lot. You're never at more of an advantage in poker than the first time someone sees you play. All of this, a lot of luck, and admittedly a few damn good calls got Chris that victory.

So what's holding you back,specifically, from playing on espn? If you have by all means I'll give you all the credit in the world. It would just sound rather odd,if you haven't won huge,yet piss on a 2 million dollar win like it's nothing.

 

[Best Buckeye]

Just because I can't cover a D1 WR doesn't mean Morgan Trent is a good cornerback.

Correction Buckyle, with you as the receiver Morgan Trent would be a great cornerback .

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

To me its a lot like wearing shades in baseball. Obviously at one point it had a functional use and in a lot of cases still does. However by and large its turned more into a copy cat fashion thing than a functional need. In baseball you don't see the old fashioned flip downs that much anymore instead you see a lot of guys walking around with regular shades on the outside of their hat in the field. Completely cosmetic because there is no way in hell they can get them on before a ball gets to them.

Adam Dunn wears the flip-downs. Of course, he lost many a ball in the sun because he never actually flipped them down, so yeah....I'm not sure what my point was.


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[Muck]

Yes, because that's what I'm asking ,

Because

They

Want

To

Increase

Their

Chances

Of

Winning

More

Money

---Seriously dude are we going to have to assign Cpt Obvious to chaperone you?

Next up: Why do athletes take steroids?

 

[Flocka]

Actually that term was never brought up once before "fucking terrible" was by yourself. Anytime something happens,that someone doesn't "want" to happen or tries to negate an actual fact that happened..*insert excuse why it happened*. Saying he played well wouldn't reinforce the idea you claim. However, he only made 300,000,since then does..Congrats. Lemme know when you pick up that small amount playing pokerstars..You could easily use the "lucky" tag with each individual player. If not the term "bad luck" wouldn't really have a meaning.

As evident by all of your posts in this thread you really don't have a grasp on poker knowledge. Poker is not a sport like football like or basketball in which you must have years of practice and training to even compete with the pros. To say someone is not good, especially someone like Moneymaker who won before the poker surge, is not like saying a professional football or basketball player is not good.

 

[Muck]

Yes, because that's what I'm asking ,

Because

They

Want

To

Increase

Their

Chances

Of

Winning

Money


---Cheap & cowardly? Were you under the impression that playing poker for money was an honorable & princely profession?


Seriously dude are we going to have to assign Cpt Obvious to chaperone you?


Next up: Why do athletes take steroids?

 

[Flocka]

So what's holding you back,specifically, from playing on espn? If you have by all means I'll give you all the credit in the world. It would just sound rather odd,if you haven't won huge,yet piss on a 2 million dollar win like it's nothing.

Dude, just chill. I've seen drunk women who have never played poker before win multis with over 200 people in it. Perhaps you need to come to their rescue before you let someone "piss" on them.

 

[jwinslow]

Seriously dude are we going to have to assign Cpt Obvious to chaperone you?

Perhaps once you make one post that resembles what I'm talking about...

 

[Gatorubet]

Because

They

Want

To

Increase

Their

Chances

Of

Winning

More

Money

---Seriously dude are we going to have to assign Cpt Obvious to chaperone you?

Next up: Why do athletes take steroids?

Because

They

Want

To

Increase

Their

Chances

Of

Winning

Money


---Cheap & cowardly? Were you under the impression that playing poker for money was an honorable & princely profession?


Seriously dude are we going to have to assign Cpt Obvious to chaperone you?


Next up: Why do athletes take steroids?

"Eleven....post on BP"

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[BB73]

Because

They

Want

To

Increase

Their

Chances

Of

Winning

Money


---Cheap & cowardly? Were you under the impression that playing poker for money was an honorable & princely profession?


Seriously dude are we going to have to assign Cpt Obvious to chaperone you?


Next up: Why do athletes take steroids?

There's a good idea. Powerlifter's already wound up on the topic, and now we'll 'inject' steroids into the conversation.

 

[BB73]

Josh, to answer your original question, I think there at least two reasons why the shades, hats, hoodies, etc, are not illegal.

First, enforcement would be very difficult. Where do you draw the line - photo-gray glasses, wraparound Oakleys, etc? How much forehead is showing when somebody wears a baseball cap? That would be a problem, and lead to a lot of stupid complaints and weird rulings by tournament officials.

Secondly, I think the TV types don't mind the different looks, since it adds 'characters' to the broadcast - the Unabomber, 'Jesus' Ferguson, the Scandinavian guy who wears his shades upside down. Different looks, and obnoxious comments made by assholes like Matusow and Hellmuth, all probably increase ratings; as opposed to to a bunch of guys sitting around calmly tossing chops into the pot.