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bukIpower
Head Coach
Bash me if you fucking want to guys because I'm pissed.
Kunitz, MALKIN, FLEURY, Geurin, Sykora, Talbot, GONCHAR, Letang, Staal, Kennedy, Gill, and Orpik all need to step up.
You wanna know who our 2nd best player is right now?
CRAIG FUCKING ADAMS....... CRAIG FUCKING ADAMS.
To the Defense- They have one. COUNT them, ONE offensive player and they leave him WIDE open. Not once, Not Twice, but THREE times. Is Oveckin the best scorer in the NHL? You bet, but you make someone else beat you! Hit him, chip him, get in his face, hell do something.
To the offense- Malkin's been an extreme disappointment in these playoffs. Anyone else notice how Crosby's line goes out first, and then Staal's line second to start the game? Why? Because Malkin's line is really hurting us here. Malkin's line is on the ice for the first Goal from Ovie, Malkin Takes a Penalty to give Ovie his 2nd goal, and was on the ice for another goal. Malkin was -2, and took a penalty to lead to another goal. I don't need to say anything about Sykora or Fedetenko because well we all know they're just not very good.
As far as Kunitz goes with Crosby... We don't need someone to "pick up the trash" we need someone to be able to create some fucking shots. Geurin is just old, and I will leave it at that. Good upgrades at the deadline? Yup, but they were quick fixes and nothing more.
Fleury- IMO, he's really struggled these playoffs. However, I think that can be directly related to how the defense is playing infront of him.
I won't bitch anymore about how we need to trade this player or get rid of that player. I will say though that I just hope in the off season (not saying this series is over though) that we free up some cap space and go after another great defenseman. Because if we're going to put all our money on three centers on offense then what's one decent winger worth 3 million really going to do us next year?
We can still win this fucking series because IMO it's been a very contested one, but how about some damn consistency? One minute we're all over them and the next they put the puck in the net.
Kunitz, MALKIN, FLEURY, Geurin, Sykora, Talbot, GONCHAR, Letang, Staal, Kennedy, Gill, and Orpik all need to step up.
You wanna know who our 2nd best player is right now?
CRAIG FUCKING ADAMS....... CRAIG FUCKING ADAMS.
To the Defense- They have one. COUNT them, ONE offensive player and they leave him WIDE open. Not once, Not Twice, but THREE times. Is Oveckin the best scorer in the NHL? You bet, but you make someone else beat you! Hit him, chip him, get in his face, hell do something.
To the offense- Malkin's been an extreme disappointment in these playoffs. Anyone else notice how Crosby's line goes out first, and then Staal's line second to start the game? Why? Because Malkin's line is really hurting us here. Malkin's line is on the ice for the first Goal from Ovie, Malkin Takes a Penalty to give Ovie his 2nd goal, and was on the ice for another goal. Malkin was -2, and took a penalty to lead to another goal. I don't need to say anything about Sykora or Fedetenko because well we all know they're just not very good.
As far as Kunitz goes with Crosby... We don't need someone to "pick up the trash" we need someone to be able to create some fucking shots. Geurin is just old, and I will leave it at that. Good upgrades at the deadline? Yup, but they were quick fixes and nothing more.
Fleury- IMO, he's really struggled these playoffs. However, I think that can be directly related to how the defense is playing infront of him.
I won't bitch anymore about how we need to trade this player or get rid of that player. I will say though that I just hope in the off season (not saying this series is over though) that we free up some cap space and go after another great defenseman. Because if we're going to put all our money on three centers on offense then what's one decent winger worth 3 million really going to do us next year?
We can still win this fucking series because IMO it's been a very contested one, but how about some damn consistency? One minute we're all over them and the next they put the puck in the net.
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daveeb
Hall of Fame
It's a shame that Crosby playing out of his mind counts for nothing right now in terms of wins. He's either had a goal or been robbed of a goal by a jaw dropping save in 5 of the 6 periods of hockey in this series.
Ovechkin is quite skilled.
Anyway, in order of players as they appear on the depth chart.
-Crosby: Unreal.
-Kunitz: Not doing too well.
-Guerin: Giving everything he can, and it isn't enough. Can't blame effort.
-Malkin: Still being hampered by the faults of his linemates, and the bottom line is that he was never as good and he probably shall never be as good as Crosby or Ovechkin. He has the skills of a star, sure. But, he doesn't have another level. You don't pay $8.7 million dollars to a guy that disappears against top competition. I know he got an assist today, but it is clearly obvious that he just can't rip it in the postseason.
-Fedotenko: Needs to keep on his feet. 2nd/3rd line tweener anyway.
-Sykora: Not getting a new contract.
-Staal: Disappointing.
-Cooke: He's doing his job, but the Caps aren't biting and taking penalties.
-Kennedy: Isn't playing as well as he could.
-Talbot: Could be doing better.
-Adams: Agree with bukIpower.
-Dupuis: He is what he is.
-Gonchar: Looks tired.
-Orpik: Was actually a +1 tonight. The only non-Crosby + on the team.
-Letang: Didn't deserve to receive the tripping call. Aside from that, he really has always been a defensive liability.
-Eaton: Didn't play well defensively tonight, but he's still outscoring our Top 6 wingers!!!
-Scuderi and Gill: Can't complain, honestly. Been playing rather well over the past two games. Gill is probably on his way out, but Scuds is alright.
-Fleury: Ugh.
Lets defend home ice!
Ovechkin is quite skilled.
Anyway, in order of players as they appear on the depth chart.
-Crosby: Unreal.
-Kunitz: Not doing too well.
-Guerin: Giving everything he can, and it isn't enough. Can't blame effort.
-Malkin: Still being hampered by the faults of his linemates, and the bottom line is that he was never as good and he probably shall never be as good as Crosby or Ovechkin. He has the skills of a star, sure. But, he doesn't have another level. You don't pay $8.7 million dollars to a guy that disappears against top competition. I know he got an assist today, but it is clearly obvious that he just can't rip it in the postseason.
-Fedotenko: Needs to keep on his feet. 2nd/3rd line tweener anyway.
-Sykora: Not getting a new contract.
-Staal: Disappointing.
-Cooke: He's doing his job, but the Caps aren't biting and taking penalties.
-Kennedy: Isn't playing as well as he could.
-Talbot: Could be doing better.
-Adams: Agree with bukIpower.
-Dupuis: He is what he is.
-Gonchar: Looks tired.
-Orpik: Was actually a +1 tonight. The only non-Crosby + on the team.
-Letang: Didn't deserve to receive the tripping call. Aside from that, he really has always been a defensive liability.
-Eaton: Didn't play well defensively tonight, but he's still outscoring our Top 6 wingers!!!
-Scuderi and Gill: Can't complain, honestly. Been playing rather well over the past two games. Gill is probably on his way out, but Scuds is alright.
-Fleury: Ugh.
Lets defend home ice!
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3074326
Assistant to the Head Coach
Malkin generally does well in the postseason.. he's having a bad series right now, and he had one bad series last year. He had a very good series against Philly. I expect him to get it going. Hopefully we have another round to see it happen. 37 points in 33 games for his playoff career, including 14 goals (10 last year, 4 against Philly).
I'm not willing to say that he doesn't show up against top competition, because he really has done well outside of a couple series(es?).
What is the plural form of series?
I'm not willing to say that he doesn't show up against top competition, because he really has done well outside of a couple series(es?).
What is the plural form of series?
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bukIpower
Head Coach
well atleast someone said it before me. Malkin hasn't been very good in the playoff's since last years Ottawa series.
Sucked it up against the Red Wings, Flyers (both), New York, and worse yet Capitals. 8.7 mil sure would look nice split between two wingers... haha. I mean he's a superstar but like I've said before having two guys making 8.7 million is KILLING us. I don't know if its Datsuk or Zetteberg but isn't one of them making only like 7 mil a year? Call me stupid but i'd rather have one of them instead of Malkin and have the extra cash.
You know your team's struggling when you are mixing and matching Craig Adams and Max Talbot with Geno.
The wingers are so god awful it's really embarressing. It's just amazing how no one is capable it seems to be a threat. I love the debate when talking about the pens how we're the strongest down the middle. TRUE, but what good are they when they don't have anyone to take pressure off them? Seriously I wish they'd change something up because it's needed at this point. Try putting Kunitz back on the 3rd line!
I do agree though Gill and Scuderi really have been playing pretty good lately.
I asked this during the Philly series and I'll ask it again. This off-season what do you think will happen? Will they trade Staal to make more cap room? What do you believe needs to be addressed most?
Sucked it up against the Red Wings, Flyers (both), New York, and worse yet Capitals. 8.7 mil sure would look nice split between two wingers... haha. I mean he's a superstar but like I've said before having two guys making 8.7 million is KILLING us. I don't know if its Datsuk or Zetteberg but isn't one of them making only like 7 mil a year? Call me stupid but i'd rather have one of them instead of Malkin and have the extra cash.
You know your team's struggling when you are mixing and matching Craig Adams and Max Talbot with Geno.
The wingers are so god awful it's really embarressing. It's just amazing how no one is capable it seems to be a threat. I love the debate when talking about the pens how we're the strongest down the middle. TRUE, but what good are they when they don't have anyone to take pressure off them? Seriously I wish they'd change something up because it's needed at this point. Try putting Kunitz back on the 3rd line!
I do agree though Gill and Scuderi really have been playing pretty good lately.
I asked this during the Philly series and I'll ask it again. This off-season what do you think will happen? Will they trade Staal to make more cap room? What do you believe needs to be addressed most?
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bukIpower
Head Coach
IMO, no he didn't... The first goal it bounced off the wall and right to him. The second goal it hit off his leg and into the net.
Yes game 3 where we lost 5-3 yeah he had some nice shots, but that was the only good game he's played all playoff long. Out of 8 games he's had 1 good one.
If you mean last year Playoff's then he started off ok in that series but really wore out by the time game 5 came around.
Yes game 3 where we lost 5-3 yeah he had some nice shots, but that was the only good game he's played all playoff long. Out of 8 games he's had 1 good one.
If you mean last year Playoff's then he started off ok in that series but really wore out by the time game 5 came around.
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daveeb
Hall of Fame
Malkin is the kind of player that needs to have a lot of ice time early to get into his groove. 11 minutes through two periods won't cut it. Going 7 minutes per period will. Malkin averaged 22 minutes of ice time during the season. I know it doesn't sound like a lot, but the 3 minutes of ice time he isn't getting per game is really hurting his game. Those minutes of ice time are going to Jordan Staal. That's stupid. The lack of ice time can be attributed to his poor wingers at times, yes. But, there has to be ways to get him involved.
Malkin isn't like Crosby or Ovechkin. What Crosby and Ovechkin have can't be radically affected by coaching. Malkin relies on having a coach that looks into his best interests at all times. He can be as great as Crosby and Ovechkin when put into positions to succeed. But, he is much more reliant upon the influence of the head coach.
Malkin played well against Philly, yes. But, a lot of that can honestly be attributed to the fact that Philly wasn't anywhere near as great as the Pens can be. However, it is true that he did play well against Philly. However, he started to disappear after the first three games. He has zero goals since Game 3. When did he score his Game 3 goals? When Bylsma put him on the ice in the 1st period.
Malkin needs to be on the ice more. How this is done is irrelevant. Some PK time wouldn't hurt. Bylsma's predeccessor often put Malkin on the PK early to get him rolling. The bottom line is that he is a -4 since Game 3. It's not that he isn't getting an assist or two every game. It's that he isn't getting into his groove.
It's the same as putting LeBron James in during the 4th quarter with only 7 minutes left in the game. Those extra two minutes LeBron gets mean something. He gets moving with extra drives to the net and post-ups.
He seriously needs some double shifts. Tonight, Malkin scared me. He took a bad penalty. Malkin rarely takes a truly terrible penalty. The trip on Steckel will be called a dive by many Pens fans. I don't want to call it a dive, partially because I don't want to even consider the idea that a Buckeye could cheat. But, in retrospect, it looks like a superstar being fed up with carrying the cross known as Ruslan Fedotenko and Petr Sykora. Maybe it's Petr's lack of ability to do anything. Maybe it was Fedex falling over with an open net after Malkin worked his tail off to get a pass to him. To me, that penalty Malkin took was important. The resulting PP? An Ovechkin goal.
What a wonderfully interesting image. With time running out, Crosby is hacking away at the puck desperately and Malkin is standing there, watching. Truly symbolic.
Malkin can do better. That's all I'm saying. He needs 22 minutes a game, badly. I didn't like the idea of strong criticism of Evgeni Malkin before the bad penalty. He was playing his tail off, and the reality of the matter was that his linemates just weren't pulling through. But, that penalty may have cost the Pens the game.
It's not that Crosby and Malkin can't be on the same team. Maybe it's just that Malkin and Staal can't be on the same team at the same position. They both need that PK time. The best move may be to move Staal to LW next season. You can't pay a 3rd line center $4mil, but you can pay a Top 6 LW $4mil.
Plus, how many times did we see the image of Staal and Kennedy on a 2 on 1 or a 3 on 2? If I was a play-by-play announcer, the call would sound exactly like this...
"Here come Staal and Kennedy on an odd-man break. Annnnnndddd... now the Capitals have the puck."
Every. Single. Time.
For the record, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing these lines.
Malkin-Crosby-Guerin
Kunitz-Staal-Fedotenko (Played RW in Tampa)
Cooke-Kennedy-Satan
Dupuis-Talbot-Adams
For the record, Datsyuk and Zetterburg's cap hits are 6.7mil and 6.083mil respectively. This allowed them to re-sign Franzen.
Malkin isn't like Crosby or Ovechkin. What Crosby and Ovechkin have can't be radically affected by coaching. Malkin relies on having a coach that looks into his best interests at all times. He can be as great as Crosby and Ovechkin when put into positions to succeed. But, he is much more reliant upon the influence of the head coach.
Malkin played well against Philly, yes. But, a lot of that can honestly be attributed to the fact that Philly wasn't anywhere near as great as the Pens can be. However, it is true that he did play well against Philly. However, he started to disappear after the first three games. He has zero goals since Game 3. When did he score his Game 3 goals? When Bylsma put him on the ice in the 1st period.
Malkin needs to be on the ice more. How this is done is irrelevant. Some PK time wouldn't hurt. Bylsma's predeccessor often put Malkin on the PK early to get him rolling. The bottom line is that he is a -4 since Game 3. It's not that he isn't getting an assist or two every game. It's that he isn't getting into his groove.
It's the same as putting LeBron James in during the 4th quarter with only 7 minutes left in the game. Those extra two minutes LeBron gets mean something. He gets moving with extra drives to the net and post-ups.
He seriously needs some double shifts. Tonight, Malkin scared me. He took a bad penalty. Malkin rarely takes a truly terrible penalty. The trip on Steckel will be called a dive by many Pens fans. I don't want to call it a dive, partially because I don't want to even consider the idea that a Buckeye could cheat. But, in retrospect, it looks like a superstar being fed up with carrying the cross known as Ruslan Fedotenko and Petr Sykora. Maybe it's Petr's lack of ability to do anything. Maybe it was Fedex falling over with an open net after Malkin worked his tail off to get a pass to him. To me, that penalty Malkin took was important. The resulting PP? An Ovechkin goal.
What a wonderfully interesting image. With time running out, Crosby is hacking away at the puck desperately and Malkin is standing there, watching. Truly symbolic.
Malkin can do better. That's all I'm saying. He needs 22 minutes a game, badly. I didn't like the idea of strong criticism of Evgeni Malkin before the bad penalty. He was playing his tail off, and the reality of the matter was that his linemates just weren't pulling through. But, that penalty may have cost the Pens the game.
It's not that Crosby and Malkin can't be on the same team. Maybe it's just that Malkin and Staal can't be on the same team at the same position. They both need that PK time. The best move may be to move Staal to LW next season. You can't pay a 3rd line center $4mil, but you can pay a Top 6 LW $4mil.
Plus, how many times did we see the image of Staal and Kennedy on a 2 on 1 or a 3 on 2? If I was a play-by-play announcer, the call would sound exactly like this...
"Here come Staal and Kennedy on an odd-man break. Annnnnndddd... now the Capitals have the puck."
Every. Single. Time.
For the record, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing these lines.
Malkin-Crosby-Guerin
Kunitz-Staal-Fedotenko (Played RW in Tampa)
Cooke-Kennedy-Satan
Dupuis-Talbot-Adams
For the record, Datsyuk and Zetterburg's cap hits are 6.7mil and 6.083mil respectively. This allowed them to re-sign Franzen.
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bukIpower
Head Coach
daveeb;1461619; said:
Again call me stupid but i'd MUCH MUCH rather have those two players for that money than the 8.7 we're paying both Sid/Malkin. Just imagine this team with an extra 4 million to spend. That'd be a HUGE difference, and the funny thing is everyone talks about how they gave us a discount lol...Which is truely why Detroit amazes me for the fact that everyone will take less money to just keep their team together.
As for Staal at LW... I'd actually rather see this next year as our top two lines.
Kunitz-Crosby-??
??-Staal-Malkin
I think having Staal man the middle would be more beneficial just for the way he plays defense. I think it's obvious though that next year something has to be done with Staal, and I believe it will be he's moved up to the 2nd line. All's I know is I think we overpayed for a lot of our talent to be honest. Fleury at 5 million? hmmmm.... He's good but not THAT good yet. I'd say more like 3.5 million for the way he can be inconsistent.
As for the task at hand. The series switches to Pittsburgh on Wednesday and I will know all I need to know after the first two goals are scored. If that score isn't 2-0 Pittsburgh I wll be very disappointed.
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Brutus1
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Stupid !
Fell better now ?
Crosby and Malkin are far from the problem. Datsuk and Z would have the same problem. They only have 3 and 6 points so far in the playoffs (6 games) while Crosby and Malkin have 12 and 11 (8 games). It's the guys that follow them that make the Wings so strong, on offense and defense. The Pens have no where near that depth.
Because of that lack of depth, the goaltender has to be spectacular, something which Fleury has not don yet in this series. I can understand the rebound goal, by the Caps, but that last goal by Ovie had no one in the way and never should have gone in, never.
You need great goalie play in the SCP and Fleury is not playing great yet.
I'm not nearly as down as everyone seems to be, because a win at home in game 3 would be great for this team. I look for MAF to play very well in that game at home.
Fell better now ?
Crosby and Malkin are far from the problem. Datsuk and Z would have the same problem. They only have 3 and 6 points so far in the playoffs (6 games) while Crosby and Malkin have 12 and 11 (8 games). It's the guys that follow them that make the Wings so strong, on offense and defense. The Pens have no where near that depth.
Because of that lack of depth, the goaltender has to be spectacular, something which Fleury has not don yet in this series. I can understand the rebound goal, by the Caps, but that last goal by Ovie had no one in the way and never should have gone in, never.
You need great goalie play in the SCP and Fleury is not playing great yet.
I'm not nearly as down as everyone seems to be, because a win at home in game 3 would be great for this team. I look for MAF to play very well in that game at home.
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Not having a rooting interest in this series, it's fun to watch. I hope it goes at least 6 games for the sake of the NHL getting more fan interest.
It was the first time in 13 years that opposing players each had a hat trick in a playoff game, and it happened to be the league's two marquee players.
It was the first time in 13 years that opposing players each had a hat trick in a playoff game, and it happened to be the league's two marquee players.
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Brutus1;1461772; said:
I did not, which is rare for me.
There's only 1 bet on the entire series, by Jake.
New vBet coming up for game 3.
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bukIpower
Head Coach
Well that's the thing though brutus. Detroit can afford these extra peices because Z and Dats (I can't spell either correctly so the hell with it) don't get paid an extra 2 mil each. For [censored] sake that extra 2 mil could get the pens two extra players who have skill or one player who can get you 25 goals and 70 points.
I too feel this series is far from over. So don't let my off season talk confuse you. I believe this series is going to be about how steals one on the road. We've seen we've come close, and now we'll see how Washington fairs in Pittsburgh. Obviously if Washington steals one in Pittsburgh then yup I will have a hard time with accepting we still have a shot. I guess if they can win 2 straight then we could win 3 straight but it would be a tough mountain to climb.
Seriously I really think about this off-season with excitment. Because to be honest I kind of realize that we're not were we need to be personnel wise to be a true threat. I was thinking and it'll never happen but hey I always explore all options really.
Trade Malkin haha...I mean you just have to laugh at that but look at the possibilities here.
Kunitz-Crosby-5mil
3mil-Staal-4mil
Tangradi-Kennedy-Cooke
Caputi-Talbot-Adams
Orpik-Gonchar
4mil-Eaton
Scuderi-Letang
Fleury
1.5mil
Going into next year the pens will have 10mil to spend on 6 roster spots. However with Malkin (hell even I shake my head when I say that), and dupuis' trade/release. That means you'd have close to 20mil to spend on 5 spots. I only say 5 because I believe Tangradi/Caputi will be given a shot in the NHL.
The crazy thing is with Malkin I truely struggle to plug in the right numbers, but without him I'm plugging in 4 mil here, and 5 mil there. ITS NICE to see that money spread out rather than in one big chunk.
It'll never happen but wow does it look good seeing a 5mil player next to crosby.
I too feel this series is far from over. So don't let my off season talk confuse you. I believe this series is going to be about how steals one on the road. We've seen we've come close, and now we'll see how Washington fairs in Pittsburgh. Obviously if Washington steals one in Pittsburgh then yup I will have a hard time with accepting we still have a shot. I guess if they can win 2 straight then we could win 3 straight but it would be a tough mountain to climb.
Seriously I really think about this off-season with excitment. Because to be honest I kind of realize that we're not were we need to be personnel wise to be a true threat. I was thinking and it'll never happen but hey I always explore all options really.
Trade Malkin haha...I mean you just have to laugh at that but look at the possibilities here.
Kunitz-Crosby-5mil
3mil-Staal-4mil
Tangradi-Kennedy-Cooke
Caputi-Talbot-Adams
Orpik-Gonchar
4mil-Eaton
Scuderi-Letang
Fleury
1.5mil
Going into next year the pens will have 10mil to spend on 6 roster spots. However with Malkin (hell even I shake my head when I say that), and dupuis' trade/release. That means you'd have close to 20mil to spend on 5 spots. I only say 5 because I believe Tangradi/Caputi will be given a shot in the NHL.
The crazy thing is with Malkin I truely struggle to plug in the right numbers, but without him I'm plugging in 4 mil here, and 5 mil there. ITS NICE to see that money spread out rather than in one big chunk.
It'll never happen but wow does it look good seeing a 5mil player next to crosby.
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