quite simply the higher our population grows the higher the number of terrible things we do to each other will be.
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no idea but that isn't the point
you were trying to use that highly skewed "research" to back the argument of mass killings being a daily occurrence. Mass shootings like the one in Vegas are no where near a daily occurrence.
Now if anyone wants to make the statement that America has a drug epidemic and that, combined with the criminal activity it breeds, kills people at a horrifying rate then I think we are starting to look at the issue more intelligently.
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OSU_Buckguy
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non-suicide gun-related deaths have been steadily declining over the last 40 years or so; however, the number of mass shootings and the resulting deaths have not. despite consistent population growth, we live in a continuously safer environment that is curiously punctuated by ever-increasing mass casualty events.
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Taosman
Your Cousin In New Mexxico
Has that been true in other countries? Is it even "true" at all?
"The role of population density in the generation or suppression of crime has been the subject of debate for decades. The classic argument is that high density offers opportunities for property crimes, given that it is a surrogate for the distribution of private property, much of which offers attractive targets to thieves. On the other hand, densely populated areas offer natural surveillance that has the effect of inhibiting violent crimes in so far as witnesses are more abundant and events are more likely to be reported to police."
http://www.sascv.org/ijcjs/harries.html
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BayBuck
Buckeyes are best
Just making the obvious counterpoint that it's bad all over, Steve. The center cannot hold, and all that.
But frankly (as an aside) I also think the whole "moral leader" stuff is a bit simplistic: what would the international view of America have been if it had always been an Information/Social Media Age? It was a great narrative for us, but what if everyone always knew everything like we all do now?
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OHSportsFan
Fan of Ohio Sports in Indy
The views of American people as they raided/pillaged Native American land...
Ok, I’ll show myself out.
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I didnt say anything about population density... our media now brings every headline grabbing crime to our attention. Even if the per capita crime goes down, the sheer volume of people will inevitably lead to a higher total number of terrible crimes, and the 24 hours news cycle will shove every single one down our throats.
what population density does is ensures that when a truly sick or evil person does pop up, they have no shortage of targets even if they dont live in a new york or LA there is always a city nearby with plenty of easy targets.
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scarletmike
Researching the Magic!
I've always had an issue with the definition of "mass shooting" being 4 plus the perp (although it seems like some stats might use 4 including the perp, because I've heard of family murder suicides included in that stat). A mass shooting to me is something more akin to the Vegas shooting, a truly massive event. I would personally set the threshold in double digits, likely counting wounded in some manner if the number killed didn't reach high enough but there were a high amount injured by bullets.
I'm all for working on gun control and improving mental health treatment (because keeping guns out of the wrong hands is always a good thing as long as it is done right, and the views and treatment of mental health in our society are clearly not sufficient or good), because they can unfortunately go hand in hand, but I also don't see this event and resulting outcry as the panic-worthy, immediate issue that many do. This isn't a normal occurrence, and I think separating them from truly ideologically motivated acts is important as well. We could never see an event like this again and yet the stats would barely change.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
SurprisIngly had a liberal friend with a career in mental health say, matter of factly, that we are just too afraid to accurate label crazy as crazy these days. We are so afraid of stigmatizing anyone.
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lvbuckeye
Silver Surfer
Because there's a cover-up. They said he checked in on the 28th.
Edit: also because Vegas runs on tourism, and it would be really bad for business for the FBI/LVMPD to come out and say that there were suspects at large... Even though on Wednesday, Sheriff Lombardo pretty much came out and said that he had help.
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ExpatAkronite
Cascadia Subduction Zone
Couple that with too many politicians sucking on the pasty, saggy teets of the NRA demi-god.
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OSU_Buckguy
Head Coach
1. that necessarily proves what exactly?
2. i don't see anything identifying mandalay bay on that screenshot.
3. you just posted a tweet from an ex-project veritas "journalist." you do know their history of selectively editing media to promote an altered version of the truth, don't you?
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