Personal Opinion VS Personal Judgement

[OCBuckWife]

Oh Noes! CROSS CONTAMINATION!

 

[sandgk]

I've got a stupid question - why did PennState1985 post in that thread?

(And, how did he end up in the green again?)

OK, the last part wasn't a stupid question.

 

[OCBuckWife]

I've got a stupid question - why did PennState1985 post in that thread?

(And, how did he end up in the green again?)

OK, the last part wasn't a stupid question.

...there are no stupid questions. only stupid ...people............

............with questions...?

 

[OCBucksFan]

(And, how did he end up in the green again?)

Because I keep repping him back into green to see how quickly he goes red

 

[starBUCKS]

Does he dislike lolcatz kissing too?

 

[PennState1985]

Snipped from the Girls Kissing Girls to avoid cross-thread contamination.

Ok, now that we have the relevant posts re-quoted here to bring in all the back data, I am going to try to address this in a rational manner. As you can see I have moved this to the area of the forum that we have both agreed upon is the correct arena for this "debate."

Which is why I suggested dropping it. But from this it looks like you want to continue this.

My problem here, and why I posted originally, is not that you have opinions or that you have no problem expressing them. We all have opinions, and believe, NONE of us have problems expressing them.

However, what you did was not just an expression of an opinion.

An opinion is someone's personal belief. It fits the dictionary definition.

You saw a thread labeled clearly as being about girls kissing other girls, and knowing that you are personally disgusted by those actions (and by implication, disgusted by those people who either engage in those acts or enjoy them vicariously), you CHOSE to enter this thread. You CHOSE to view personally objectional content. You then CHOSE to malign and insult others viewing that thread who DO NOT find the content objectional by expressing your personal statement of disgust.

It's called dissent. I CHOSE to enter the thread to put in my own opinion. My opinion didn't match with the popular opinion, so I got some expected jeers for my unpopular opinion. And because it was getting off-topic, that's why I said that I was giong to stop there.

You saw the quotes yourself, I did not malign or insult ANY ONE OF you. I said that I find it disgusting but if that's what you like, then that's what you like. If you took that personally, that's YOUR problem.

That was your first mistake. As Taos said, if you don't like the channel and what is playing on it, don't watch it.

Try telling that to the people who are flaming me for asking a "stupid" football question. Hypocrites.

In this context, you did not express an opinion. You passed judgement upon not only the girls who are depicted kissing other girls but also passed judgement upon those of us who do not find such material disgusting. You went OUT OF YOUR WAY to tell us that it was disgusting to you.
That turns your opinion into a judgement because you took the time to go somewhere you don't like to tell people in there that what they were doing was disgusting.

You just repeated yourself. No matter how many times you say something false, it doesn't become true. Quit trying to sound high and mighty here, you've judged others before, and expressed disgust at something. Value judgements are a natural part of life. I simply posted my opinion on a thread that's very active, that's hardly "going out of my way".

Let me repeat my salient point here, and that is that in passing judgement upon the action you therefore pass judgement upon those who do not share your opinon, by implication.

This was your second mistake.

All you did was repeat yourself and word it differently. And your logic is flawed. If I don't like a football team, am I saying that I don't like its fans? No, I'm saying I don't like the football team. Nothing more, nothing less.

You are not the only conservative, I am sure, that doesn't approve of homosexual behaviour, but you are the only one that made a point of entering into a thread about said subject matter and telling those of us viewing and contributing to the thread of your opinion. Take a look back at the thread you dislike so much and I am sure you will notice that anyone else who feels as you do....DOES NOT POST IN THE THREAD.

As you have said over and over again (but with minor rewording), I naturally wouldn't want to read all 800+ pages of it. I'm sure I could find some other dissenting opinions in there.

That thread is not about the relative moral, religious, ethical or social values, or lack thereof, of homosexual behaviour. That is not what that thread is about. You, briefly, made it so. In a thread that does not invite, that is clearly not about, that has nothing to do with, a discussion or debate of homosexual behaviour does not need, want or deserve those kinds of statements.

It's amazing how some of you became so worked up over one little sentence. I dropped the discussion after a few replies so that you could continue to enjoy that. Just imagine if I got this worked up everytime someone said "I hate Penn State" or called it "State Penn" or something like that. Simply adding to the thread with a reply indicating my dislike for the thread topic shouldn't be enough to get people this upset. It's amazing how sensitive people are to criticism that isn't even aimed at them, but at something they like.

You know this, as evidenced by your near-immediate mention of the political forums, yet you entered the thread and did so anyway. Again, it was not your expression of your opinion to which I objected to, it was the place in which you did it.

That was your third mistake.

I only briefly mentioned the political forum after I clarified my sentence and then dropped the subject so that you could continue to enjoy it.

Expression of dissent is a reality and it's going to happen no matter where you go. It doesn't pay to get so upset over something as stupid as a disapproval of a thread topic and to turn a criticism of the topic into a personal attack.

I hope that this clears up the issue I had with you about it and perhaps explains why you are now rubied up which shows me that others tend to have felt the same way, although I cannot and do not speak for anyone else.

No, I was in the red because some people hated my "stupid" football question. Only one person gave me negative reputation because of that thread.

 

[Pheasant]

I can never see too much of that picture. Greenies for you...

 

[jwinslow]

Why did you feel the need to stop by and dump on it at all? I mean, would you stop by a bar and say something along those lines? Say... 'man I hate alcohol I think it's disgusting (both in flavor and consequence), but whatever floats your boat.' BTW, I don't drink.

It's called dissent. I CHOSE to enter the thread to put in my own opinion.

It wasn't a discussion thread. I mean, you could stop by the animated gif thread and say how much you detest moving pictures, but it wouldn't make much sense in the thread.

Try telling that to the people who are flaming me for asking a "stupid" football question. Hypocrites.

If the teasing bothers you this much, you might not want to keep complaining about it. That's not a very smart approach.

Quit trying to sound high and mighty here, you've judged others before, and expressed disgust at something.

Wonderful. Doesn't change whether or not you should do it now.

Value judgements are a natural part of life. I simply posted my opinion on a thread that's very active, that's hardly "going out of my way".

It certainly took the thread well out of the way.

 

[starBUCKS]

 

[sandgk]

It doesn't pay to get so upset over <snip> a disapproval of a thread topic <snip>.

I don't get the appeal of girls kissing girls. To me it's downright disgusting, but I guess whatever floats your boat.

Now what was the title of that thread?

 

[PennState1985]

Why did you feel the need to stop by and dump on it at all? I mean, would you stop by a bar and say something along those lines? Say... 'man I hate alcohol I think it's disgusting (both in flavor and consequence), but whatever floats your boat.'

No, it's more like walking up to someone looking at a magazine and saying that I don't get the appeal of it, and I find it disgusting, but if they like it, then good for them. They'd probably look at me funny and go back to reading their magazine. Which is what all of you should be diong.

BTW, I don't drink.
It wasn't a discussion thread. I mean, you could stop by the animated gif thread and say how much you detest moving pictures, but it wouldn't make much sense in the thread.

Actually there was some discussion.

If the teasing bothers you this much, you might not want to keep complaining about it. That's not a very smart approach.Wonderful. Doesn't change whether or not you should do it now.It certainly took the thread well out of the way.

The bashing and the negative rep isn't the real problem, the problem is when you get on my shit for acting a certain way, then turn around and do it. That's hypocracy.

And once I saw the thread was getting off-topic, I decided to drop it there for all of you who wanted to enjoy the thread.

 

[OCBucksFan]

No, it's more like walking up to someone looking at a magazine and saying that I don't get the appeal of it, and I find it disgusting, but if they like it, then good for them. They'd probably look at me funny and go back to reading their magazine. Which is what all of you should be diong.

You obviously have no idea how much free time we have.

 

[sandgk]

No, it's more like walking up to someone looking at a magazine and saying that I don't get the appeal of it, and I find it disgusting, but if they like it, then good for them.

That doesn't fly.

Do that around most parts and you will more likely elicit one of three reactions

1 - What business is it of yours?
2 - Fuck Off Asshole
3 - Punch in the nose.

They'd probably look at me funny and go back to reading their magazine.

Only after you hit the floor. :tongue2:

Which is what all of you should be diong.

You are not anyone's great aunt.

 

[OCBuckWife]

Which is why I suggested dropping it. But from this it looks like you want to continue this.

From the looks of things and from the pm I sent you. Impressive deduction.

An opinion is someone's personal belief. It fits the dictionary definition.

I'm not dissenting this. I'm objecting to the fact that you felt you needed to tell people your opinion in a thread that obviously was full of people that were already predisposed to have a dissenting opinion. That is either an incredibly arrogant action or a significant indication of "trollism." Perhaps I just fell for it but I am more inclined to believe you are just a rude jerk.

It's called dissent. I CHOSE to enter the thread to put in my own opinion. My opinion didn't match with the popular opinion, so I got some expected jeers for my unpopular opinion. And because it was getting off-topic, that's why I said that I was giong to stop there.

Apparently I need to repeat myself again. It was a thread that neither invited nor needed any "dissenting" opinion. It is an entertainment thread for those of us that enjoy girls kissing girls Those who don't enjoy it, don't go there. It's not in the political forums for that reason. It's not a discussion thread.

You saw the quotes yourself, I did not malign or insult ANY ONE OF you. I said that I find it disgusting but if that's what you like, then that's what you like. If you took that personally, that's YOUR problem.

No, you did not direct your comments at any one specific person. You directed your comment at the entire thread. Look up implication. By implication, directing your comment at the thread and its contents, directs the comment at the people who are participating in the thread. You tried to give yourself an "out" by adding in the codicil of "but if that's what floats your boat.." but that is really just a way of saying "With all due respect,..." or "I have respect for you as a person but...."

Here's a question that perhaps might clarify things for you.

If girls kissing girls is disgusting to you, is a girl that likes to kiss other girls disgusting to you?

Try telling that to the people who are flaming me for asking a "stupid" football question. Hypocrites.

Don't cross contaminate.

You just repeated yourself. No matter how many times you say something false, it doesn't become true. Quit trying to sound high and mighty here, you've judged others before, and expressed disgust at something. Value judgements are a natural part of life. I simply posted my opinion on a thread that's very active, that's hardly "going out of my way".

I repeat myself because it seems to be required as you don't seem to be paying attention. You don't know me at all. You have no right, or foundation of knowledge to say that I have judged others or expressed disgust at something. You are making an assumption to try to validate your actions. That is usually the behavior of someone who is trying to justify to themselves why they have a right to be an ass. Value judgements are a part of life, but expressing them openly to those on whom you are passing judgement is not a part of life unless you are a self-righteous person who feels every individual in the world needs or wants to know what they think of someone. As you seem to do. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean the person you have the opinion about wants to hear it. Keep it to yourself.

All you did was repeat yourself and word it differently. And your logic is flawed. If I don't like a football team, am I saying that I don't like its fans? No, I'm saying I don't like the football team. Nothing more, nothing less.

Repeating myself and wording it differently is an established method of active listening, which is a part of effective communication. As we do not have verbal communication available to us, it is a way to ensure clarity of thought in text. It does not, ipso facto, make the statement that is being reworded, false. It reestablishes and reaffirms the essential point. Your metaphor is false logic. If you were to simply state that you don't like a football team, and do not include any salient back up facts, you will indeed be implying that you don't like the fans. Walk into any rival college and, without actually saying why, simply state, "Such and Such (insert any team name) sucks!" and I have a strong feeling you will immediately receive fast and strong negative reaction.

As you have said over and over again (but with minor rewording), I naturally wouldn't want to read all 800+ pages of it. I'm sure I could find some other dissenting opinions in there.

So because you do not want to read an entire post, but feel firmly that your opinion is popular, it must mean that it is supported? And you say I have false logic.

It's amazing how some of you became so worked up over one little sentence. I dropped the discussion after a few replies so that you could continue to enjoy that. Just imagine if I got this worked up everytime someone said "I hate Penn State" or called it "State Penn" or something like that. Simply adding to the thread with a reply indicating my dislike for the thread topic shouldn't be enough to get people this upset. It's amazing how sensitive people are to criticism that isn't even aimed at them, but at something they like.

So, if you were kissing your girlfriend on the street, and someone walked up to you and told you they were disgusted by it, out of the blue, for no reason at all, you wouldn't be offended? I don't know you but I find it very hard to believe you would be calm.

No, I was in the red because some people hated my "stupid" football question. Only one person gave me negative reputation because of that thread.

You were in the red before you started that thread. I checked, its why I made the comment about rubies. You got back into the green so people could make you red again.


Since you still seem to be completely oblivious as to why I might be upset, let me restate and reword and repeat my salient fact. NO ONE ASKED FOR YOU OPINION ABOUT GIRLS KISSING GIRLS. No one wanted your opinion about girls kissing girls. You dont like it fine, shut the F up and let those of us that DO like it, enjoy it without having to listen your useless jabbering.

 

[OCBuckWife]

That doesn't fly.

Do that around most parts and you will more likely elicit one of three reactions

1 - What business is it of yours?
2 - Fuck Off Asshole
3 - Punch in the nose.

Thank you! One of the points I have been trying to make! Just because you have a negative opinion about "something" doesn't in any way mean that some random person engaging in that "something" wants to hear it!