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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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1. They can build it, but I think keeping it will be as difficult as keeping grass on Jane Fonda's grave.

2. "But Zenos [Frudakis] made it clear, Joe was never seated. He was always on the move." So a slightly darker stain will be used on the seat of his khakis?
 
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cincibuck said:
1. They can build it, but I think keeping it will be as difficult as keeping grass on Jane Fonda's grave.

2. "But Zenos [Frudakis] made it clear, Joe was never seated. He was always on the move." So a slightly darker stain will be used on the seat of his khakis?
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Actually, with new technology and materials being used for the statue, the pants will magically turn from Khaki to Black at the start of the second half of every Pedster game.
 
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colobuck79 said:
These people really are crazy.

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I kind of like it. Briskly walking away from something. Head tilted upwards as if to convey, "hey, nothing to see back there." Now, if they can only add a secondary statue of some old guy drilling a ten year old boy in the background, it'll be perfect.
 
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A special place in hell:
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VaNtyLion
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A few things...Reply
1 - I do not think JS is innocent of being a pedophile but I do question the nature of his crimes

2 - I'm not saying that he never exhibited grooming behavior towards V2, but it would be highly unusual for a 14 yr old kid to have been raped (which he never claimed to have been) and maintained the close relationship this man did with Jerry for nearly 10 years after the incident.

3 - Bottom line - The severe damage done to the PSU admins including Paterno (not to mention the entire community) was almost entirely based on the MM shower incident and how that was portrayed. Without "anal rape" appearing in the GJP, there is none of this. No Freeh, no consent decree, nothing. Everything about that incident should be looked at under a microscope from MM's various accounts and actions with Sandusky in the following years to the victim's own words. If that means questioning the victim's credibility in light of his own words as a grown man (with no reason to lie and every incentive to claim he was raped including an eye witness) that he voluntarily submitted on more than one occasion, I don't see why that's such a major problem.
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epc fan said:
Amen. You say fooling around in a shower, people say it is creepy, but may not be illegal. You say ANAL RAPE of a young boy, there is no wiggle room. Any moral person would find it vulgar and worthy of a death penalty.
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I agree that
JS might have rubbed up against some kids, patted them on the back, stroked their legs, etc. The kids might have thought nothing of it or they might have thought it was creepy. But they might not have considered it abuse until lawyers convinced them that it was.

Still, It seem unlikely that so many would jump on the bandwagon and virtually none would come to JS's defense
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A lair is born every minute. And they will lie. Every "so called victim" this case is a liar. Corbett is a liar.
The inner BOT at Penn State, liars. And so it goes.

"Just give me some truth" -- John Lennon

N i t t a n y A m e r i c a
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Legion of Lions said:
Victim??? DefineVictim??? Define your terms.... The real victim in this entire matter is JUSTICE!! - TRUTH - AND HONEST GOVERNMENT & A FAIR LEGAL SYSTEM.

These are the real victims.

The Sandusky Trial & the "legal conviction" - BOTH can not be viewed as anything but corrupted and highly suspicious. Certainly what exists in certifiable fact does not support the "story" used to create The Sandusky Scandal!! There are undeniable breaches in fundamental legal standards that our basic constitutional laws and personal legal protections GUARANTEE EVERY CITIZEN.

I do not know the truth about Sandusky's real actions...only because so many people and entities involved here have so many suspicious motives and there have been so many $ benefactors to a "guilty charge" in this case.

One thing I am sure of.....Laws were broken in the Trial and laws were broken in the actions taken in PSU settlements.

Justice was not served. The truth was not revealed. Basic rights were abused by those in corporate and political power.

Finally, new crimes and new victims were created by the spectacle and "Criminal Football Culture story" a corrupt media has made the prevailing "public truth".
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wbcincy said:
It's just incredible to me how much pure conjecture is involved here. When Louis Freeh makes conjecture, we all rightly freak out. But when JZ does it in a way that's beneficial, there's many here who accept it as gospel and support him. You either approve of conjecture or you don't, but you can't have it both ways depending which side the conjecture comes down on.

Examples:
Jerry didn't know McQ was the witness. This is "proven" because Jerry didn't try to ingratiate himself to McQ, or basically bribe him with another job offer. JZ ignores the possibility that Jerry could've just hoped McQ didn't see too much and therefore purposely acted nonchalant about it to avoid the appearance of guilt. There's more than 1 rational explanation, but JZ will only consider the one that fits his narrative (just like Freeh).

A 13 year old would fight back, know about consent, etc. Since when is JZ an expert on how child sex abuse victims would react? Does he think 13-14 years old aren't sexually abused without a fight and without the kids going to police? Adults are sexually abused and often don't do those things, so JZs conjecture here is not only wrong, but disgusting.

JZ lists things the alleged victim did with Sandusky afterwards. Again, I'll stick with experts in considering how abuse victims react and continue relationships with their abusers. I can agree all day with JZ that it doesn't make logical sense, but I also don't think Stockholm Syndrome makes logical sense, and yet it exists. Because you can't apply rational thought to the actions of a person experiencing something traumatic.

McQ's father saw this is a good opportunity for face time with Joe to help land the WR coach position. Zero proof of that, just none. Pure conjecture.

It's peeeerfectly understable that the alleged vic gets the date wrong or the time frame all wrong by a couple weeks, but it's HUGE when anyone else gets a date wrong! Again, JZ views everything with an eye towards fitting into what he wants to believe.

I love JZ defending himself on the hack...errrrr...glitch. I think it's obvious by now that he would never accept such a 'coincidence' from anyone else.

Also, JZ keeps saying he outed himself, but where does he out himself as Vic 2? He uses his name in those letters to the editor, but I don't see where he describes himself as alleged vic 2 in them (I could be wrong, show it to me). So JZ was in fact outing him as Vic 2 if all he had done in the past was write letters defending jerry without stating that he was vic 2.

JZ thinks laughing makes his points stronger. It doesn't. But the constant laughing does make him look pretty crazy at times...

JZ thinks the attorney cut a deal with vic 2 based on the contingency fee. Once again, absolutely nothing but conjecture and disgusting accusations to make with zero proof.

Yes, the Penn State settlements are a sham. But Penn State had to decide which would cost more, paying the alleged victims, or fighting them in open court. I'm not sure they chose wrongly. Anyone involved in the law can tell you that company's constantly have to make decisions about settling suits where they know they're in the right, but the cost/benefit analysis forces them to settle anyway.

So look, even if I were to agree that vic 2 was not sexually abused, and neither was Matt Sandusky, it doesn't change my point here. And that is that JZ constantly makes leaps based on assumptions and what must "rationally" or "logically" make sense in JZ's mind. That isn't proof, and we all rightfully jumped down Freeh's throat for doing the same thing.
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The Paterno cult proclaims that everything they do is for the university's best interest, yet they do nothing but bring damage, disgust and ridicule to the university every time they open their mouths. In truth, they care about only two things: Joesus and the football team, and they would burn the entire school to the ground if it meant restoring the reputation of the two.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
The Paterno cult proclaims that everything they do is for the university's best interest, yet they do nothing but bring damage, disgust and ridicule to the university every time they open their mouths. In truth, they care about only two things: Joesus and the football team, and they would burn the entire school to the ground if it meant restoring the reputation of the two.
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your post, as seen thru the eyes of the typical BWI poster:
One thing for sure cincy. After cruising around the web, trolls are frightened by Ziggy's latest and the Spanier thing. They are cowed and pretty much fade away when confronted. You can almost smell and feel the fear.
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