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I haven't perused that thread yet, but it sounds identical to this (now-deleted) thread that ORD cited several months ago where one of those whackos sent an email to Spanier:
There were other Pedsters in that thread on PSU2UNC's side (can' remember many of their usernames except for some guy "francofan"), but that WHCANole poster was the main one arguing with the cult. It went on for 60-70 pages before they deleted it.
Even some of the other Ped State posters on that forum were commenting about how embarrassing that thread was, which is probably why they deleted it.
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I remember a similar thread a few months ago. Maybe even the same thread. And I don't get the feeling that it was deleted because of how crazy the cult was - I got the feeling it was deleted because it gave the people who were AGAINST the cult a medium to tell the cult that they were crazy.
I don't live in Pennsylvania, and my co-workers in Pennsylvania are either in Pittsburgh or Philadelphia. Some say they're Penn State fans, but those agreed that Paterno needed to be fired and the statue taken down, etc. I think they tend to agree that Paterno's reputation of being a great coach was tarnished by that. I don't know anyone who is of this cult.
However, I know some of our BP members live amongst them, and insist that the cult is very real. At first, I thought it was a vocal minority. And maybe it is a minority, but they are very vocal. And maybe some are trolls. But that forum is full of trainwrecks. Let's keep throwing more trains at the trainwreck. Some of those people really believe that Sandusky broke no laws. Sure, he was a creepy guy, and inappropriate. But the moment they agree he broke a law is the moment that it is possible that Paterno covered it up.
Speaking of which (sorry for the rambling), they insist that "Joe" (hilarious that you can't call him "Paterno") did the right thing - he told his boss. And they insist that was in the employee handbook. If you witness a crime, tell your boss. So if someone walks into my office right now, and says, "Kelly just shot and killed Mark," I'm supposed to call my boss? "Hey Carl, Kelly just killed Mark." I'd hope that he'd fire me for not calling the police. But no - he's supposed to call HIS boss. What a stupid policy.
Something else they bring up, and I actually agree with: Why didn't Mike McQueary go to the police? That's a good question, and I can only come up with 2 answers: 1. Because he really didn't see anything wrong. I find this hard to believe, or else the dude is a total shitbag to let it go this long just so he could get a job. (I think he let Paterno cover it up in exchange for a job as an assistant coach.) 2. He knew that Paterno would want to be included in the decision. Don't you dare go over his head. Pretty much as was explained in the ESPN piece about the defensive player rapist, Paterno handled the football program, and the police handled the rest of the community. McQueary went to his father, who was in the same boat - take this to Paterno and let him handle. If this was outside the football program, go to the police.
Anyway, I got shit to do. I could probably write a lot more about my ramblings.
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
You know me - I'll never give up a chance to make fun of the cult.
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/the-story-on-how-mcsorley-almost-didnt-go-to-psu.318453/
"Yay - McSorley chose us over everyone else! We're so great."
"No, McSorley wasn't that good."
"Kill the imposter!!!" Is there a gif of Donald Sutherland screaming at the end of Body Snatchers?
I'm not going to speak for how McSorley did for most of his time at Penn State. But he lost them 2 games against Ohio State. Go watch the end of 2017 game. Never mind - I'll do it for you:
2:07:10 in the video. 8:15 to go in the game, Penn State is winning 35-27. With the ball with First and Goal at the 7. A touchdown makes it a 15-point game. Not insurmountable, but remember that Ohio State only scored 12 points to win, after keeping Penn State to a field goal, making it an 11-point game.
First Down - McSorley keeps on what appears to me to be a read-option play. He gets 3 yards. I'm not sure if Barkley would have gotten around the end, but all of the Ohio State players were accounted for. Also, to his credit, Barkley didn't do much in the second half, so maybe keeping it was the right call.
Second and Four - Another apparent read option. This time, it looks as though a linebacker is on Barkley. He really just gets back to the line of scrimmage, though, with Bosa all over him. I have to believe Barkley would have gotten more yards than McSorley did.
Third down - Not wanting to be the guy who kept it 3 times and didn't score, he hands off to Barkley. Loss of 2 yards. Does McSorley get around the edge, if he keeps it? Maybe.
Go back to first down, and trade quarterbacks. No way in hell does Ohio State stop Barrett from scoring, and no way in hell does McSorley lead the Buckeyes to 15 points with 6:30 remaining.
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/the-story-on-how-mcsorley-almost-didnt-go-to-psu.318453/
"Yay - McSorley chose us over everyone else! We're so great."
"No, McSorley wasn't that good."
"Kill the imposter!!!" Is there a gif of Donald Sutherland screaming at the end of Body Snatchers?
I'm not going to speak for how McSorley did for most of his time at Penn State. But he lost them 2 games against Ohio State. Go watch the end of 2017 game. Never mind - I'll do it for you:
2:07:10 in the video. 8:15 to go in the game, Penn State is winning 35-27. With the ball with First and Goal at the 7. A touchdown makes it a 15-point game. Not insurmountable, but remember that Ohio State only scored 12 points to win, after keeping Penn State to a field goal, making it an 11-point game.
First Down - McSorley keeps on what appears to me to be a read-option play. He gets 3 yards. I'm not sure if Barkley would have gotten around the end, but all of the Ohio State players were accounted for. Also, to his credit, Barkley didn't do much in the second half, so maybe keeping it was the right call.
Second and Four - Another apparent read option. This time, it looks as though a linebacker is on Barkley. He really just gets back to the line of scrimmage, though, with Bosa all over him. I have to believe Barkley would have gotten more yards than McSorley did.
Third down - Not wanting to be the guy who kept it 3 times and didn't score, he hands off to Barkley. Loss of 2 yards. Does McSorley get around the edge, if he keeps it? Maybe.
Go back to first down, and trade quarterbacks. No way in hell does Ohio State stop Barrett from scoring, and no way in hell does McSorley lead the Buckeyes to 15 points with 6:30 remaining.
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McSorley was garbage as a passer. His "success" against mostly bad teams but also against Wisconsin in the CG was infuriating. He would just close his eyes and launch dragons....and somehow they were caught.
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Let's not forget THIS brilliant decision on4th and 5 that cost them the game the following year.
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That one is completely on James "if not for one blocked FG I would've been fired years ago" Franklin.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Go to 16:57, Franklin is asked about a school reportedly getting $13M a year NIL money:
He was adamant that Penn State must do everything it can to be at the forefront on NIL. Some folks on hand seemed to think the numbers being thrown around are too big. Franklin would not let it go — and I don't blame him. He was not angry. Just wanted to be sure he made his point.
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He has a valid point and reason to be frustrated if his boosters/collectives won't pony up the proper amount, whether that's the $13m Day said or not. But with Day putting a number out there, he now put ALL collectives on notice what to produce... For now.
It's going to be shitty if these coaches can't bring in top talent due to their own collectives not raising enough funds, and it will cause some to lose jobs. And the funding is out of their hands
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CincyInterloper
Hall of Fame
Could it be that covering up for child molesters tends to devalue NIL opportunities for the players? I know I wouldn't want to associate my brand with Penn State. If universities want to maximize NIL, they better keep a clean image.
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
Are NIL sponsors associating more with the school/team or with the players? I mean.. yeah, this Columbus-based company is going to sign an Ohio State player to some contract, and that's cool. And if that player doesn't sign with Ohio State, some other player will get that contract. So, in that sense, they're associating more with the team. But if Ohio State had some scandal giving them a black eye, don't you think that same company would still want an Ohio State player to endorse them? As long as Ohio State has fans, the players will have fans. Same goes for Penn State. Those weirdos think the whole country loves them - or SHOULD love them. But they still have a lot of fans. And they've rationalized their black eye to the point that they think it isn't even black. Those fans will support the players and support any cause or company that the players endorse.
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CincyInterloper
Hall of Fame
I'm definitely not a marketing expert, but I have to think the image of both the school and the player would affect the value of at least some NIL agreements. I'm sure there will be boosters who just view NIL as a way to help the program land recruits and that don't care if they receive a financial benefit. But I have to think that some companies are actually expecting to get a return on their investment in the form of increased sales. I suppose it depends on where the NIL money is coming from. I would think any large corporate sponsorships (think State Farm's sponsorship of Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes) would look for programs and players with a good national image.
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I can buy that and that would play a part. Probably a BIG part.
I guess I was thinking more along the lines of a local car dealership giving a player a car or Arby's giving $10k for some tweets.
State Farm is going to look at school and player image when it comes to who gets their money.
Some local ice cream shop is looking to sign a deal with the kid who just scored 2 touchdowns for the local team, regardless of school image.
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I didn't know if this belonged here or under the CJ Stroud thread. I'm laughing at the Cult, so I put it here.
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/a-college-education-in-the-21-st-century.319574/
The original poster just links the following article:
https://nypost.com/2022/06/08/ohio-state-qb-c-j-stroud-driving-200k-mercedes-in-nil-deal/
More reply asking if he even goes to class. Of course, the article is just about how he has the $200k vehicle - not about whether he goes to class. But the cult think that he's getting paid at Ohio State - why would we think he might actually be going to class?
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/a-college-education-in-the-21-st-century.319574/
The original poster just links the following article:
https://nypost.com/2022/06/08/ohio-state-qb-c-j-stroud-driving-200k-mercedes-in-nil-deal/
More reply asking if he even goes to class. Of course, the article is just about how he has the $200k vehicle - not about whether he goes to class. But the cult think that he's getting paid at Ohio State - why would we think he might actually be going to class?
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