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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/fc-espn-takes-on-penn-state-once-again.317543/
"Joe did everything right."
"Joe told his players to tell the truth in court." Yeah? He also told a bunch of them to go and intimidate the victim (or whatever you want to call her).
I didn't read the whole article. To me, it suggests that there was a culture of Football First, and then everyone else, but also "we need to sweep this under the rug." And I suppose the second one is a problem at all or most universities.
The article also suggested the Paterno was above the law. Players said they didn't worry about getting into trouble with police - they worried about being in trouble with Paterno. "Running up the bleachers" and stuff. And for the really bad ones, they got suspended.
"Joe did everything right."
"Joe told his players to tell the truth in court." Yeah? He also told a bunch of them to go and intimidate the victim (or whatever you want to call her).
I didn't read the whole article. To me, it suggests that there was a culture of Football First, and then everyone else, but also "we need to sweep this under the rug." And I suppose the second one is a problem at all or most universities.
The article also suggested the Paterno was above the law. Players said they didn't worry about getting into trouble with police - they worried about being in trouble with Paterno. "Running up the bleachers" and stuff. And for the really bad ones, they got suspended.
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
crm114psu is the good guy.
They're spending a lot of time on how concerned "Joe" was for the one victim, "Karen". But the article makes it clear that she doesn't understand how he got her number or knew who she was. Maybe it's all in public records and Paterno was able to get access. But she felt very uncomfortable with it. I think intent is more important, though. Why did he call her? Was he truly interested in how she's doing? If yes, then fine. But I'm very skeptical about that. I'm more interested in whether he knew it was a football player and deciding what his next course of action should be, based on that fact. Did he call other women who were victims of non-football players? I'm guessing not, but I don't know.
I can think of two reasons he'd call her:
1. He knew it was a football player and he wanted to sweep this under the rug.
2. He knew it was a football player and he wanted to see if there's something he can do to help her.
crm114psu said:
They're spending a lot of time on how concerned "Joe" was for the one victim, "Karen". But the article makes it clear that she doesn't understand how he got her number or knew who she was. Maybe it's all in public records and Paterno was able to get access. But she felt very uncomfortable with it. I think intent is more important, though. Why did he call her? Was he truly interested in how she's doing? If yes, then fine. But I'm very skeptical about that. I'm more interested in whether he knew it was a football player and deciding what his next course of action should be, based on that fact. Did he call other women who were victims of non-football players? I'm guessing not, but I don't know.
I can think of two reasons he'd call her:
1. He knew it was a football player and he wanted to sweep this under the rug.
2. He knew it was a football player and he wanted to see if there's something he can do to help her.
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This is how they all think, by the way. By default. This isn't mental gymnastics.....where you have to exert energy to twist reality to fit your narrative. This is how they actually see the world.
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Zippercat
Legend
crm114psu is the good guy.
They're spending a lot of time on how concerned "Joe" was for the one victim, "Karen". But the article makes it clear that she doesn't understand how he got her number or knew who she was. Maybe it's all in public records and Paterno was able to get access. But she felt very uncomfortable with it. I think intent is more important, though. Why did he call her? Was he truly interested in how she's doing? If yes, then fine. But I'm very skeptical about that. I'm more interested in whether he knew it was a football player and deciding what his next course of action should be, based on that fact. Did he call other women who were victims of non-football players? I'm guessing not, but I don't know.
I can think of two reasons he'd call her:
1. He knew it was a football player and he wanted to sweep this under the rug.
2. He knew it was a football player and he wanted to see if there's something he can do to help her.
For BPs not old enough to remember the 70s (or 80s, even) “privacy” then was much, much different than how it is today. Then a person could be anonymous. You didn’t need to produce a photo ID or have a passcode to do so many things that need such today. Only banks had security cameras. Only photographers, professional or serious amateurs, carried cameras with them. All cameras needed film.
Zurp is correct in saying that JoePa might have gotten Karen’s phone number from a public source. Back then phone books published the phone numbers and addresses of everyone except those who paid extra to the phone company to get an unlisted number. Most likely very few students paid extra to do that. And you could always dial “0” (for a charge, in some cases) and a telephone operator would look up a number for you.
But, the real question is how did JoePa get her name? The E$PiN article doesn’t note any newspaper article that named Karen.
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Seems to me that if you run a program of "success with honor" that you wouldn't need to tell the players not to lie to the police about their teammate raping someone.
It also seems to me that if you were going to tell all the players "don't talk to the police until you talk to me", maybe you could have just said "don't fucking lie to the police" right then.
But what the fuck do I know? GodPa, blessed be his name, works in mysterious ways!
It also seems to me that if you were going to tell all the players "don't talk to the police until you talk to me", maybe you could have just said "don't fucking lie to the police" right then.
But what the fuck do I know? GodPa, blessed be his name, works in mysterious ways!
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I guess one interesting question from the article details is why none of the Paterno family decided to respond. After all, how many chances do you really get to rehabilitate a person’s entire image? If he really did do the right and “quite admirable” thing, why would they not want to trumpet that shit to the rafters? I mean, if it was my dad I’d see it as a chance to stick it up E$PNs ass, like “hey my dad did A, B, and C and THATS what kind of man he was” kind of thing. If that’s really what happened.
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I see them saying that the right thing to do is to contact your manager. I find that crazy. I posted here that the Boy Scouts (I guess they're just "Scouts" now) are telling leaders (and have been saying this for at least a few years) that you go straight to law enforcement or other emergency services. So if the NCAA's current policy or guidelines says to just report it to your supervisor, how high does it go? I mean, I know reptilians rule the world, so does it eventually get reported to one of them? Then they eat the attacker? The victim? The reporter? I'm not convinced that they share our desire to end sexual abuse.
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AJHawkfan
Wanna make $14 the hard way?
A few points that I find interesting....
1.) The trial was conveniently held during spring break, when there wouldn't be any student newspaper printed, thus reducing the exposure
2.) They flat out named Joesus' "fixer" in the article and talked about how he could make all sorts of legal issues disappear for football players.
3.) For some reason, Hodne was released to return home with his parents after his conviction; a move that seems ridiculous to me who knows almost nothing about the legal process
4.) Its been widely documented that Joesus knew everything that happened with his players (talking about how players would be punished if they didn't participate in class).... but yet its totally understandable that he didn't know anything about this or Sandusky......
5.) The police failed to properly investigate and even destroyed evidence....
Maybe its just me, but it sure feels like there might be a few more skeletons in Joeses' closet......
1.) The trial was conveniently held during spring break, when there wouldn't be any student newspaper printed, thus reducing the exposure
2.) They flat out named Joesus' "fixer" in the article and talked about how he could make all sorts of legal issues disappear for football players.
3.) For some reason, Hodne was released to return home with his parents after his conviction; a move that seems ridiculous to me who knows almost nothing about the legal process
4.) Its been widely documented that Joesus knew everything that happened with his players (talking about how players would be punished if they didn't participate in class).... but yet its totally understandable that he didn't know anything about this or Sandusky......
5.) The police failed to properly investigate and even destroyed evidence....
Maybe its just me, but it sure feels like there might be a few more skeletons in Joeses' closet......
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I'm only going to respond to #1. #2 through #5 don't need my comment because there's really nothing for me to say.
You may be right that this was intentional. However, here's a quick story that I have that is a little similar.
So when I was in school, a buddy caught a guy who broke into our house and was stealing stuff from some of the rooms. He confronted him and chased him out and called the police and identified him in a police line-up and all that fun stuff. Then he got summoned to appear in court - right in the middle of spring break. This guy was not a student and this would not have been in any student paper. We guessed that since my buddy was a pretty important witness, they were hoping he'd have to choose between doing something for spring break or letting this guy go. Without his testimony, there were no witnesses.
Probably not the same. For one, a sexual attack is way different from a very small burglary. Karen (I think that was the right victim) wasn't going to skip the trial to go to Fort Lauderdale, whereas my buddy - who knows? He might. (He didn't.) Second, like I said, this wasn't going to be in any newspapers. Third, the burglar was not a student. He was just a local dude looking to steal stuff or money.
You may be right that this was intentional. However, here's a quick story that I have that is a little similar.
So when I was in school, a buddy caught a guy who broke into our house and was stealing stuff from some of the rooms. He confronted him and chased him out and called the police and identified him in a police line-up and all that fun stuff. Then he got summoned to appear in court - right in the middle of spring break. This guy was not a student and this would not have been in any student paper. We guessed that since my buddy was a pretty important witness, they were hoping he'd have to choose between doing something for spring break or letting this guy go. Without his testimony, there were no witnesses.
Probably not the same. For one, a sexual attack is way different from a very small burglary. Karen (I think that was the right victim) wasn't going to skip the trial to go to Fort Lauderdale, whereas my buddy - who knows? He might. (He didn't.) Second, like I said, this wasn't going to be in any newspapers. Third, the burglar was not a student. He was just a local dude looking to steal stuff or money.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Joesus knew not of such things as rape between a man and a woman.
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Penn St fan: He was just a football coach!
Same Penn St fan: Oh how I remember the days where I was so lucky to be graced by Joe's presence. I can recall them all fondly....for, who wouldn't remember the time they met Jesus himself.
Same Penn St fan: Oh how I remember the days where I was so lucky to be graced by Joe's presence. I can recall them all fondly....for, who wouldn't remember the time they met Jesus himself.
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We're talking about the nineteen seventies in small town Pennsylvania. There is no doubt in my mind Paterno was aware of this psychopath's activities. There's no doubt in my mind he called the victim to make sure she didn't sing.
Back in the day, it was very difficult to prove rape. They'd trash the shit out of the woman as a defense strategy. You know.. she was asking for it with the way she dressed. No didn't necessarily mean no. That kind of thing.
Back in the day, it was very difficult to prove rape. They'd trash the shit out of the woman as a defense strategy. You know.. she was asking for it with the way she dressed. No didn't necessarily mean no. That kind of thing.
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