Penn State Aftermath

[Colvinnl]

Pryor made a FRESHMAN mistake. Perhaps the true mistake was allow the play calling to determine that the game could come down to such an error. It is not as if one can assume Pryor would not make such a mistake, he is a freshman after all. Tresselball is best played with someone like Krenzel, not a true freshman.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

What was the mistake? Trying to ge more yards than he'd need? I watched that play multiple times and I don't see anything wrong with it. He got the ball poked away.. but he wasn't carrying it carelessly, it was tucked... he was making a decent read, not trying to overstep his abilities....

What was the "freshman" mistake he made?

 

[Brutus1]

Two things:

A. We're not going to the BCS Championship game, but before the PSU game, did anyone really think we would or deserved to go?

2. Win out and the Buckeyes are still in a BCS Bowl.

 

[cincibuck]

So - does Penn State get mauled by Texas or Bama ...or Oklahoma? if they get to the BCS championship game?

Would you want JoPa to win it for the Big-10, or hope they get thumped because they are State Penn?

I NEVER root against a Big 10 team in an OOC game. I would root for the Gators if they were playing Notre Dame or USC.

 

[buckeyes_rock]

If ya go back to the preseason threads, you'll see a lot of level headed posters warning that if TB was not our starting QB come Michigan, Ohio State's problems would not be whether or not they'd get to the Title game.

Plain fact is this - relying on a Freshman QB to get you there is all but certain to doom you to not getting it done. That's not a knock on Pryor, it's a statement of reality. Something tells me the same idiots who are calling this season a waste or an embarrassment are the same [censored][censored]s who were also first in line on the bench Boeckman bandwagon.

Yep. I think most of us were in this camp before the season started. We knew if TB was benched it probably meant that our season was not going to go smoothly and that the title was not going to happen. That said, I'm glad JT made the move to Pryor immediatly after USC. Gutsy move, if you ask me. I honestly didn't think JT would start Pryor so soon. I thoroughly expected Pryor to be "worked into" the offense. But JT had the stones to say, Terrelle, this is your team now...go get it.

It's been said over and over, but I think we all know TP is going to be a phenomenal QB At OSU. He's way ahead of where I thought he'd be this year. But he's got a lot to learn still about the passing game especially. I went back and watched some of his high school highlights...dude was amazing, but he was a man among boys. His athletism was enough. Not saying he wasn't skilled, just that he was just so much more athletic and big that he just did basically whatever he wanted. Imagine how much of an adjustment this level is for him.

Now all that said, I still think there are issues with play calling. I think the staff could do a better job setting him up for success instead of failure, but that's been discussed to death.

Disappointing season because we'd all hoped to win it all. But we have to keep this in perspective...2 loss seasons are not bad seasons folks.

Oh, and scUM still stinks!

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Now all that said, I still think there are issues with play calling. I think the staff could do a better job setting him up for success instead of failure, but that's been discussed to death.

BB73 and I discussed this yesterday. It'd be nice if Tress would open things up a little more now since "less" is on the line. I mean, when the reigns were taken off Troy and company, the yards started coming in bunches. Of course, Smith wasn't a freshman then... but... you get the point.

 

[Bucklion]

Oh, and everyone remember when people were screaming we'd trade 5 wins if we could just beat those smug-assed Wolverines? Remember the # of "lost" seasons because we coulsn't beat Michigan, and it usually cost us something. Well, we will hopefully stomp on them this year, and JT will be 7-1 in 8 years. I repeat, 7-1. No season is ever a lost season when we beat Michigan, no matter how much they suck or how good we are, because they validated a ton of mediocre 4-loss years by beating us. Remember that, everyone who says this is a lost season.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

I am not sure about your comment that Pryor could have made 10 to 15 yards on the interception. You may be correct that he would have made that much yardage. However, I thought the replay showed two PSU players on that side of the field in the short zone.

I was confused by the routes on the play. I haven't rewatched it, but at the time it seemed like it was Terrelle Pryor near the 40 and Brian Hartline and 3 Penn State defenders in the end zone. That was it.

There was no one else as far as the eye can see. This isn't 5 Dollars and this is a freshman QB. We can't get anyone on a shorter crossing route/someone break off their route/etc? Pryor shouldn't have thrown it, but there wasn't another soul on that side of the field. I would have like to have seen a little aggression out of Hartline in the endzone as well.

This game was way too much like the Illinois game last year. No opposing penalities, can't tackle, stupid mistakes.

 

[cincibuck]

Plain fact is this - relying on a Freshman QB to get you there is all but certain to doom you to not getting it done. That's not a knock on Pryor, it's a statement of reality. Something tells me the same idiots who are calling this season a waste or an embarrassment are the same shitfucks who were also first in line on the bench Boeckman bandwagon.

if things had stayed clean - that is Pryor doesn't fumble - two more minutes come off the clock at least, PSU starts at their own 20 or so (probably, assuming a punt and no score) and with the way the D was playing, I like OSU's chances.

Yap Running Shitfuck here, Yep, I wanted Boeckman to sit after the USC game. Why? 'cause in the first three games you could clearly see that this O-line could not pass protect and only one of those games was against a quality/comparable team. That meant that if the Bucks were going to get by Wisconsin (which turned out to be a very difficult game) and Michigan State on the road and Penn State at home they would need a QB who could avoid the rush and hopefully pass well enough to keep the defenses honest.

It might well be that Boeckman was the answer to the Penn State game. He could possibly hit some three step short passes that would have forced them out of the 9 in the box, safeties cheating, defensive scheme, but the way the PSU line was swarming on Beanie I agreed with keeping Pryor in there.

I don't think I've ever put the knock on Pryor. If he made a mistake on Saturday, it was one of trying too hard at times. You live and die with a talent like that and the only way he's going to be ready for the 09 season is to play a lot this year. That wasn't going to happen, i.e. there weren't going to be enough blow out games to get him in there and learn the way this offense was playing in games 1 -3.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Yap Running Shitfuck here, Yep, I wanted Boeckman to sit after the USC game. Why? 'cause in the first three games you could clearly see that this O-line could not pass protect and only one of those games was against a quality/comparable team. That meant that if the Bucks were going to get by Wisconsin (which turned out to be a very difficult game) and Michigan State on the road and Penn State at home they would need a QB who could avoid the rush and hopefully pass well enough to keep the defenses honest.

It might well be that Boeckman might have been the answer to the Penn State game. He could possibly hit some three step short passes that would have forced them out of the 9 in the box, safeties cheating, defensive scheme, but the way the PSU line was swarming on Beanie I agreed with keeping Pryor in there.

I don't think I've ever put the knock on Pryor. If he made a mistake on Saturday, it was one of trying too hard at times. You live and die with a talent like that and the only way he's going to be ready for the 09 season is to play a lot this year. That wasn't going to happen, i.e. there weren't going to be enough blow out games to get him in there and learn, the way this offense was playing in games 1 -3.

Difference with you is you're not expecting a National Championship in 2008. (Expecting being different than hoping for, of course)

 

[cincibuck]

i dont see a direct correlation between jumping up and down, bumping chests, swinging my arms around, drawing attention to oneself with antics and anything. in fact i think we live in a culture which celebrates a tailback who stays on the field before the game after his team leaves the field during the pregame and stands out on the field by themselves and swings their arms around jumpinig up and down. i dont really care what you do as long as you act with class and play football. telling the crowd to get louder when you are on the road doesnt do much for me.

Yeah, rah, rah only gets you so far, but watch and tell me what you think. I don't like the WWF like chest thumping, end zone dancing BS that goes on in the NFL, but I expect a senior to act like the game matters. Blase would have been a step up on Saturday night. This kid acted like he was being asked to report to third shift on the assembly line.

 

[buckeyes_rock]

BB73 and I discussed this yesterday. It'd be nice if Tress would open things up a little more now since "less" is on the line. I mean, when the reigns were taken off Troy and company, the yards started coming in bunches. Of course, Smith wasn't a freshman then... but... you get the point.

Oh yeah, I agree with this as well. The big pressure is off TP now. Now they should just let him go out and play football the way he knows how. It would be fun to watch these guys go out and just have some fun on offense.

 

[shetuck]

We were having some success putting pressure on Clark in the first half. Thad Gibson looked like he was going to have a career-night.

Then, in the second half... cricketville... or so it seemed.

I couldn't really tell and I haven't rewatched the game... What, if any, adjustments did PSU make to stuff that pressure? Did they change up their tight end set? Is that why Royster started to make some headway, especially in the 4th?

 

[SparkyOSU]

Do not take this the wrong way, please read all of the post:

I will be glad when Beanie is gone. Sorry but its true and here is why - ITS FOR HIS OWN GOOD!

Beanie is not a spread RB, he is best when he gets the ball out of the "I" and is running down hill and siff arming the Secondary. Out of the spread he is spending valuable momentum running east to west and losing his best assest, his down field shoulder buster. He hits his stiff arm heading east and west and allows the secondary to come up and commit to a gang tackle. When he is heading down field he is seeing more one on one tackles, tackles that he breaks everytime.

The PSU game wasn't totally on the O-Line, if you hand the ball to a speedy Saine on the read he can out run the Crashing DE's and pop outside - Beanie has to outpower them and thats why he kept getting locked up on the Read option runs.

In short, Beanie is the Best back we have, but Beanie = 'I' formation.

If we play with Pryor, I'd rather have Saine in there.

And as for Mo'. I have been pulling for you since day one when you hit the bench, and god bless you for not transferring - you got some grit - but you really broke my spirit when you fumbled that KO out of bounds man...

 

[BuckeyeTillIDie]

Are you serious, aspeedy Saine? Beanie can run the ball from any formation, it doesn't really matter.

It is ENTIRELY the fault of the offensive line. They can't run out of the spread because they can't block out of the spread. Just watch them get destroyed at the point of attack when they try spread runs.