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Peach Bowl: #1 Georgia vs #4 tOSU, Sat 12/31 8 ET on ESPN

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pnuts34 said:
This.
I dont have any emotions left after that game! The boys gave it their all and left it on the field. The L hurts, but Day called a heck of game.
Knowles on the other hand...
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Yep. 41 points with big pieces missing.

Never understood the attraction to Knowles. Maybe College Football defense rankings are illusions. Seems that we've laid open D's that were highly ranked. Wisky comes to mind when they got routed 59-0. 41 put up on GA...

Too many big plays on us, DB's don't look for the ball often enough. Too many wide-open opp WRs. As Day said, you can't win these games doing that.
 
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TenYearBore said:
Again, we're calling those plays because we're behind and choked away the 1st half. I dunno how much film you watch right, so this is a little complex to explain but I'll try to keep it brief since this is off topic in this thread and nobody but me cares. Here goes:

The TCU 3-3-5 is a different animal because it works by firing hybrid players into the running lanes, linebackers who are build like short defensive linemen, safeties who're strong enough to do linebacker things and so forth; in a similar, but even MORE committed way, to what Knowles runs. TCU doesn't care if you double up their 3 fat dlinemen, in fact, they want you to; your halfback gets the hole, and fires through, directly into their run fits. You get 2 yards, they get to put a brutal hit on the ball carrier and TCU is sure that's a win; they're right. I can show you a picture of what it looks like at the bottom of this post. If you run forward, they fill downhill, if you go sideways, they flow and fill; but they aren't that fast, they aren't that athletic - so if you can manipulate their linebackers, get them flowing the wrong way, it's ALWAYS a big gain because they can't recover - they ain't THAT fast.

Going into this game, TCU said "this is going to be just like Texas" because the Longhorns literally played right into their version of the 3-3-5; running a lot of duo, inside power, and more or less gleefully gobbling up the free double teams on the line that TCU offers you while doing nothing about the guys filling and making Robinson look ordinary because of it. Sound familiar? If you watched the game, this was more or less every single run Michigan ran, directly into these run fits, for 2 and a half quarters of the game. Do you remember how many BIG HITS Michigan guys absorbed in the run game and short screen game? That's why. How do you beat this? Counter, trap, jet sweep, designed QB runs and or read option (arc was open ALL NIGHT man.) In other words, plays DESIGNED to get a flowing defense, moving the wrong way. Would that have worked against TCU? Straight up it DID once we started calling those plays; even the flea flicker was a play DESIGNED to punish TCU's hybrid safeties for pretending to be linebackers and firing at the ball on the snap. We could have, and should have been doing that all game; and we WOULD have if any random film analyst online had been calling that game. Only OUR coaches assumed "being Wisconsin will be enough against this puny defense."

None of this is a big secret, all kinds of people who write about football strategy online said Wisconsin-ball wasn't going to work, but the Wolverines complex run game that HAS counters, and traps, and QB reads in it, would crack TCU's defensive front. When JJ said that crap about smashball, I just assumed he was putting the media on, or he MEANT a misdirection-based running attack (which we DID use against YOU guys btw) was on the docket. And I'm sorry but apparently, it wasn't. Our coaches had no clue. We just assumed "hey they're giving us 2 doubles on the line every play? Man this is gonna be a BIG RUN" and walked right into it - for 2 and a half quarters.

I could spend the rest of this post explaining things like "that first pick 6 was on a pattern we haven't called all year" and pointing out that when you go into the half 21-6, you're going to have to make some changes to the game plan but the reality is we didn't lose that game because of JJ and if Cade is back there, that comeback doesn't even happen. McCarthy ate the seam routes all day, we'd have had a better game throwing that route every play and just letting JJ toss 5 interceptions. Don't let Jim off the hook because "it's hard to win with bad refs and two pick 6's" - our staff put us in position for those things to happen, through PURE arrogance. It's like they spent four weeks preparing for Georgia because "no way we lose to a 3-3-5."

Here's that pic of a TCU run fit against duo I was talking about earlier, btw - as you can see, running straight at this is NEVER going to get you the biscuit:

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Yeah, I commented to a buddy during the TCU/Michigan game, when Michigan was making the roaring comeback, that the difference in offensive flow was McCarthy keeping the ball on QB sweeps and misdirection. Once he started keeping the ball on designed runs, there were holes open everywhere and TCU just seemed desperate. They were lucky to have such a large lead prior to Michigan getting McCarthy involved with his legs.

I agree they were looking ahead to Georgia. Can’t say I’m disappointed they lost (sorry) but if they run that game back, I have Michigan -10ish.
 
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It’s interesting that Day wanted the blitz on the called second down run.

He thought the run could beat the blitz and “come out the back end”.

I initially thought he was hoping he’d catch Georgia in a deep drop and thought he could steal an easy 5-7 yards.

He knows more about football than myself, but if you want the blitz I’m not sure a relatively slow developing run play is the call you want either.

I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt after hearing him explain it…..those last 30 seconds will be a scar forever.
 
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Woke up with the exact same feeling as when the clock hit zero. Great game and on to next year. Not disappointed or frustrated or anything. Just wanna see how this 3 safety tandem works moving forward. Hickman and tanner can’t cover. And expecting them too majority of games against top playmakers is asking for a disaster. Who steps up next year on the backend. I believe our DLine played a good game against an offensive line who lets Bennett get all day to throw every game. Yea that last possession he had time but overall imo they played a pretty good game.

I owe CJ an apology. I said I just knew he wouldn’t make plays when things broke down or when he had green in front of him..he did all those things. One of the greatest performances from him in his career. Props to him. Day called a great game..he called a great game even after Marvin went out. That last possession idk and Idc after CJ made the great run. That game wasn’t on him. We need talent on the back end. And fast. Those safety’s again….couldn’t cover anything. OH
 
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Still hurting.

I'm sure its been covered but I pretty much turned everything off the second the kick left his foot. There are a million little things to dissect about the game. But I'll leave it at just one thing for now that bothers me. Even more than the swiss cheese defense. Somehow we make it down to the 30 yard with with roughly 30 seconds left. Why, oh why, do coaches think this is good enough? Why are we trusting some kicker to drill a 50 yarder rather than the Heisman finalist to get another 10-15 yards? Hell, why not score a touchdown and win the game that way!? BS run call on first and ten and from there is was all about setting up the FG. Maybe in the NFL you do that crap. Not in college. Not when CJ is absolutely cooking all day. Day promised to go down swinging but thats not what happened that last drive. That's going out with a whimper.
 
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Nati-Toledo Bucks said:
Woke up with the exact same feeling as when the clock hit zero. Great game and on to next year. Not disappointed or frustrated or anything. Just wanna see how this 3 safety tandem works moving forward. Hickman and tanner can’t cover. And expecting them too majority of games against top playmakers is asking for a disaster. Who steps up next year on the backend. I believe our DLine played a good game against an offensive line who lets Bennett get all day to throw every game. Yea that last possession he had time but overall imo they played a pretty good game.

I owe CJ an apology. I said I just knew he wouldn’t make plays when things broke down or when he had green in front of him..he did all those things. One of the greatest performances from him in his career. Props to him. Day called a great game..he called a great game even after Marvin went out. That last possession idk and Idc after CJ made the great run. That game wasn’t on him. We need talent on the back end. And fast. Those safety’s again….couldn’t cover anything. OH
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We all owe CJ an apology. We questioned that kids desire to win and it's just terrible we didn't get it done for him in the end. My only question now is where has this Ryan Day and CJ Stroud been for the past 2 years?

As for the comments on the defense... hopefully this isn't taken the wrong way but I'm absolutely fine with turning over the safeties for next year. Hickman, McCallister and Ransom have just been abused all year. Then again why would Knowles allow these safeties to be one on one with their WRs? That's a terrible matchup and if we're going to play man then put it another corner. Besides I bet Hancock is bigger than Ransom anyway.
 
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BuckeyefaninPGH said:
Still hurting.

I'm sure its been covered but I pretty much turned everything off the second the kick left his foot. There are a million little things to dissect about the game. But I'll leave it at just one thing for now that bothers me. Even more than the swiss cheese defense. Somehow we make it down to the 30 yard with with roughly 30 seconds left. Why, oh why, do coaches think this is good enough? Why are we trusting some kicker to drill a 50 yarder rather than the Heisman finalist to get another 10-15 yards? Hell, why not score a touchdown and win the game that way!? BS run call on first and ten and from there is was all about setting up the FG. Maybe in the NFL you do that crap. Not in college. Not when CJ is absolutely cooking all day. Day promised to go down swinging but thats not what happened that last drive. That's going out with a whimper.
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IMO I just believe you cannot give the back end of the defense a pass. They lost that game because of them. Not day and the final 30 seconds. Day swung to the tune of 41 points..that’s enough today and that was enough last night. Win or lose.
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
We all owe CJ an apology. We questioned that kids desire to win and it's just terrible we didn't get it done for him in the end. My only question now is where has this Ryan Day and CJ Stroud been for the past 2 years?

As for the comments on the defense... hopefully this isn't taken the wrong way but I'm absolutely fine with turning over the safeties for next year. Hickman, McCallister and Ransom have just been abused all year. Then again why would Knowles allow these safeties to be one on one with their WRs? That's a terrible matchup and if we're going to play man then put it another corner. Besides I bet Hancock is bigger than Ransom anyway.
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I think after this last Michigan Game knowing CJ wouldn’t be here after this year both day and CJ had a long talk.lol. We gotta do whatever to win this game and that mean’s literally doing whatever to win. I mean Cap he was literally 1-2 reads and gon for 6-7 yards a pop..lol I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. Honestly this will do wonders next year whoever the QB is. I truly feel day will not be son gun shy on actually telling him QB take the yards of you see it.
 
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morbitzerker said:
I've seen too many disappointing Buckeye results in my years to default to expecting a different outcome, and it's really not that many years compared to others here.
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And no one thinks it odd that the bucks percentage of bowl game wins is below 500 for a team that wins at a 700 clip. Even taking into consideration that bowl games pit good teams against each other, why do the bucks lose 200 percent from their regular season win rate? I firmly believe that where those games are played enters into the equation.
 
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