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Buckeneye
I lead, you follow.
Woke up - stomach still hurts.
Torn somewhere between feeling that I saw a sort of 'redemptive' mentality from the coaches and players, or that this is just the next level of coming up short with our particular group of guys. Not sure which yet. But Stroud finally understood he can use his athletic gifts at times to extend plays, then Day called up an offensive gem save for a couple small miscues. Hell, 2 seconds away from the Refs not granting Kirby his timeout and getting a massive 4th down conversion on a fake punt. A fake punt that I know haunts Day still from The Game.
This was a tale of not burying a team defensively when we had the chance.
The Game was a tale of not burying a team offensively when we had the chance.
Secondary needs to tighten it up. Dline needs to be a bit more active in their pass rush across the entire front.
Torn somewhere between feeling that I saw a sort of 'redemptive' mentality from the coaches and players, or that this is just the next level of coming up short with our particular group of guys. Not sure which yet. But Stroud finally understood he can use his athletic gifts at times to extend plays, then Day called up an offensive gem save for a couple small miscues. Hell, 2 seconds away from the Refs not granting Kirby his timeout and getting a massive 4th down conversion on a fake punt. A fake punt that I know haunts Day still from The Game.
This was a tale of not burying a team defensively when we had the chance.
The Game was a tale of not burying a team offensively when we had the chance.
Secondary needs to tighten it up. Dline needs to be a bit more active in their pass rush across the entire front.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
I'm old enough to remember when this was tried in the NFL. The players on both teams seemed to not give a shit. They didn't catch the brass ring to the championship and third place meant nothing to them.
I'll be interested in how the final rankings come out. If Georgia does to TCU what I think they will do there's no way the Bucks shouldn't be ranked 2 with Michigan and TCU falling in behind. Somehow I think two loss Alabama will magically slip into the top four.
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TenYearBore
Still angry at Chic Harley
I hope they rank us behind Kansas State because more or less nothing is going to stop Harbaugh from doing this to me every single year until there's some kind of intervention; finishing in the top 5 or whatever is gonna let all the fraud ass "whose got it better than us; nobody" slappies pretend we just came up short cause "the refs" and such - we got taken to the woodshed by Dykes and major changes are in order. There won't be any changes unless we're humiliated; like 2020.
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Captain Buckeye
Legend
You can't throw two pick 6s in a game and then fumble on the 1 yard line. You guys should've won but just made too many mistakes.
This is why running the ball 70/30 isn't ideal. Because all the sudden when you need to throw it there's issues.
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Captain Buckeye
Legend
I said it was probably targeting.
My only point is complaining about the refs again isn't right. Our defense gave up 42 points and that can't happen in these games. Just didn't get the stops late and our offense couldn't deliver the knock out punch when our defense gave them the ball back all 3rd quarter.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
I thought TCU's defensive depth would hit them hard in the second half. As for the final play, I thought Edward’s was down when he threw the pass. That would stop the play. TCU ball at that spot. Then a targeting/unnecessary roughness call after the play would move the ball back, but it would still be TCU’s ball. With 3 seconds left.
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TenYearBore
Still angry at Chic Harley
Again, we're calling those plays because we're behind and choked away the 1st half. I dunno how much film you watch right, so this is a little complex to explain but I'll try to keep it brief since this is off topic in this thread and nobody but me cares. Here goes:
The TCU 3-3-5 is a different animal because it works by firing hybrid players into the running lanes, linebackers who are build like short defensive linemen, safeties who're strong enough to do linebacker things and so forth; in a similar, but even MORE committed way, to what Knowles runs. TCU doesn't care if you double up their 3 fat dlinemen, in fact, they want you to; your halfback gets the hole, and fires through, directly into their run fits. You get 2 yards, they get to put a brutal hit on the ball carrier and TCU is sure that's a win; they're right. I can show you a picture of what it looks like at the bottom of this post. If you run forward, they fill downhill, if you go sideways, they flow and fill; but they aren't that fast, they aren't that athletic - so if you can manipulate their linebackers, get them flowing the wrong way, it's ALWAYS a big gain because they can't recover - they ain't THAT fast.
Going into this game, TCU said "this is going to be just like Texas" because the Longhorns literally played right into their version of the 3-3-5; running a lot of duo, inside power, and more or less gleefully gobbling up the free double teams on the line that TCU offers you while doing nothing about the guys filling and making Robinson look ordinary because of it. Sound familiar? If you watched the game, this was more or less every single run Michigan ran, directly into these run fits, for 2 and a half quarters of the game. Do you remember how many BIG HITS Michigan guys absorbed in the run game and short screen game? That's why. How do you beat this? Counter, trap, jet sweep, designed QB runs and or read option (arc was open ALL NIGHT man.) In other words, plays DESIGNED to get a flowing defense, moving the wrong way. Would that have worked against TCU? Straight up it DID once we started calling those plays; even the flea flicker was a play DESIGNED to punish TCU's hybrid safeties for pretending to be linebackers and firing at the ball on the snap. We could have, and should have been doing that all game; and we WOULD have if any random film analyst online had been calling that game. Only OUR coaches assumed "being Wisconsin will be enough against this puny defense."
None of this is a big secret, all kinds of people who write about football strategy online said Wisconsin-ball wasn't going to work, but the Wolverines complex run game that HAS counters, and traps, and QB reads in it, would crack TCU's defensive front. When JJ said that crap about smashball, I just assumed he was putting the media on, or he MEANT a misdirection-based running attack (which we DID use against YOU guys btw) was on the docket. And I'm sorry but apparently, it wasn't. Our coaches had no clue. We just assumed "hey they're giving us 2 doubles on the line every play? Man this is gonna be a BIG RUN" and walked right into it - for 2 and a half quarters.
I could spend the rest of this post explaining things like "that first pick 6 was on a pattern we haven't called all year" and pointing out that when you go into the half 21-6, you're going to have to make some changes to the game plan but the reality is we didn't lose that game because of JJ and if Cade is back there, that comeback doesn't even happen. McCarthy ate the seam routes all day, we'd have had a better game throwing that route every play and just letting JJ toss 5 interceptions. Don't let Jim off the hook because "it's hard to win with bad refs and two pick 6's" - our staff put us in position for those things to happen, through PURE arrogance. It's like they spent four weeks preparing for Georgia because "no way we lose to a 3-3-5."
Here's that pic of a TCU run fit against duo I was talking about earlier, btw - as you can see, running straight at this is NEVER going to get you the biscuit:
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Just wanted to give the OSU medical team and coaching staff props this morning for taking MHJs helmet away. He was telling people he felt fine they said, but they didn’t “Tua” him and put him in further danger. That wouldn’t happen everywhere, especially with the one player we really needed most.
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GovTressel
Heisman
Georgia is the better team…Stroud just put us on his back. Once Harrison was out it was just too much. If we play them 100 times we win maybe 10. Still sucks though.
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TenYearBore
Still angry at Chic Harley
*shrugs*
Not something I'll say very often but I think Ryan Day is right? Not only did it LOOK like targeting to me, especially on the 2nd replay angle, but I dunno how you get a guy out with a concussion from a big hit (not the ground) and then tell me that concussion wasn't the result of contact to the head? Woulda, coulda, shoulda, and all that but the reffing was pretty terrible down the stretch and most of it seemed to go Georgia's way.
Not trying to make excuses, it's not even my team; it looked like a terrible call and it affected the game a lot. When you lose by 1 point, it's probably only natural to say "hey, that was fishy."
Not something I'll say very often but I think Ryan Day is right? Not only did it LOOK like targeting to me, especially on the 2nd replay angle, but I dunno how you get a guy out with a concussion from a big hit (not the ground) and then tell me that concussion wasn't the result of contact to the head? Woulda, coulda, shoulda, and all that but the reffing was pretty terrible down the stretch and most of it seemed to go Georgia's way.
Not trying to make excuses, it's not even my team; it looked like a terrible call and it affected the game a lot. When you lose by 1 point, it's probably only natural to say "hey, that was fishy."
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
I thought TCU's defensive depth would hit them hard in the second half. I was sure they were gassed when Michigan scored to get it within 3. As for the final play, I thought Edwards knee was down before he threw that pass. If that was the case, the ball would be spotted where his knee touched. Play over, no first down, ball goes over to TCU. Then, after the play, roughness or targeting. 15 yard penalty from the spot of the foul and/or player ejected. But because it's AFTER the play, possession remains with TCU.
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