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sm00r
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Another good sign this time from Geoff Hobson. From the official Bengals web sight:
http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5017
Palmer surgery: 'Very well'
By GEOFF HOBSON
January 11, 2006
Updated: 11:15 a.m.
<TABLE width=90 align=right><TBODY><TR><TD>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The rehab of Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer
got a swift boost Tuesday when reconstructive knee surgery revealed not as much damage to the left knee as originally feared. A source close to Palmer said there was no dislocation and Dr. Lonnie Paulos had to deal mainly with the tear of the anterior cruciate ligament during the procedure at the Texas Medical Center in Houston.
"It went very well down there," the source said.
Palmer plans to start his rehab Thursday at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopedic Center near his home in Orange County in California.
Both the Bengals and Palmer agreed to use the independent Paulous, 56, a leading orthopedic surgeon based in Houston. Paulos, a graduate of the University of Utah Medical School, once did a fellowship at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center. According to Internet reports, he has also served in leadership positions of such groups as the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons and the American Orthopedic Society of Sports Medicine.
The Bengals issued the following statement Wednesday on Palmer's surgery:
“This is a serious injury,” said Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis, “but we are told the procedure went very well. We know Carson, and we know he will apply himself fully to his rehabilitation. This result encourages our feeling that Carson will be ready to open the 2006 season as our starting quarterback.”
Palmer was accompanied to Houston by his wife, Shaelyn, and by Bengals assistant trainer Billy Brooks. Palmer will fly later this week from Houston to Los Angeles, where he will begin the initial phase of his rehabilitation at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic.
“I feel very confident that things went well, that there were no unusual complications,” Palmer said from Houston. “I want to thank our fans and fans everywhere for their support of me, and I’m looking forward to a great season for our team and myself personally.”<SCRIPT> <!-- var FiltersEnabled = 1 // if your not going to use transitions or filters in any of the tips set this to 0 applyCssFilter() var link_text=[]; link_text[0] = "<table width='98%' align='center' cellpadding='2' cellspacing='0' bgcolor='#E5E5E5' style='border: solid 1px #A2A2A2;'><tr valign='top'><td width='75'>/uploads/players/palmer_roster.jpg
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http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5017
Palmer surgery: 'Very well'
By GEOFF HOBSON
January 11, 2006
Updated: 11:15 a.m.
<TABLE width=90 align=right><TBODY><TR><TD>
got a swift boost Tuesday when reconstructive knee surgery revealed not as much damage to the left knee as originally feared. A source close to Palmer said there was no dislocation and Dr. Lonnie Paulos had to deal mainly with the tear of the anterior cruciate ligament during the procedure at the Texas Medical Center in Houston. "It went very well down there," the source said.
Palmer plans to start his rehab Thursday at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopedic Center near his home in Orange County in California.
Both the Bengals and Palmer agreed to use the independent Paulous, 56, a leading orthopedic surgeon based in Houston. Paulos, a graduate of the University of Utah Medical School, once did a fellowship at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center. According to Internet reports, he has also served in leadership positions of such groups as the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons and the American Orthopedic Society of Sports Medicine.
The Bengals issued the following statement Wednesday on Palmer's surgery:
“This is a serious injury,” said Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis, “but we are told the procedure went very well. We know Carson, and we know he will apply himself fully to his rehabilitation. This result encourages our feeling that Carson will be ready to open the 2006 season as our starting quarterback.”
Palmer was accompanied to Houston by his wife, Shaelyn, and by Bengals assistant trainer Billy Brooks. Palmer will fly later this week from Houston to Los Angeles, where he will begin the initial phase of his rehabilitation at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic.
“I feel very confident that things went well, that there were no unusual complications,” Palmer said from Houston. “I want to thank our fans and fans everywhere for their support of me, and I’m looking forward to a great season for our team and myself personally.”<SCRIPT> <!-- var FiltersEnabled = 1 // if your not going to use transitions or filters in any of the tips set this to 0 applyCssFilter() var link_text=[]; link_text[0] = "<table width='98%' align='center' cellpadding='2' cellspacing='0' bgcolor='#E5E5E5' style='border: solid 1px #A2A2A2;'><tr valign='top'><td width='75'>/uploads/players/palmer_roster.jpg
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tibor75
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That article is 2 days old. Yesterday was when the doctorb in question said it was worse than feared.
Rumors on the Bengals board is that the team was livid when the doctorb's story went across the AP wire.
Then the doctorb comes back and says, "No, it wasn't that bad."
Me thinks I smell soP lurking around (soP is son of Paul Brown)
Rumors on the Bengals board is that the team was livid when the doctorb's story went across the AP wire.
Then the doctorb comes back and says, "No, it wasn't that bad."
Me thinks I smell soP lurking around (soP is son of Paul Brown)
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sm00r
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Didn't know all of that Tibor. But another link is on the page as well.
http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5019
Doc optimistic Palmer can start season
By GEOFF HOBSON
January 12, 2006
Posted: 11:15 p.m.
Although his patient suffered what he called “severe ligament damage,” Carson Palmer’s surgeon is optimistic that the Bengals quarterback can return in time for the start of the regular season.
Dr. Lonnie Paulos also said Thursday that much hinges on the next few months of rehab and how it heals “things that are really out of my control and Carson’s control. We need to give it a few months. But he’s got an excellent chance to be back playing as well as he did before.”
Paulos says the normal timeframe for recovery for reconstructive knee surgery is nine to 12 months, but he thinks Palmer will be back “long before that,” even though he called it an atypical tear of the anterior cruciate ligament.
“The kneecap slipped off to the side and caused some damage,” Paulos said. “It’s not the usual ACL tear, but we don’t believe this is going to be a career-ending injury. Really, it comes down to rehab and determination, and knowing Carson, he’s going to do what he has to do.”
Palmer left for home Thursday to begin rehab in California after Paulos operated Tuesday at the Texas Medical Center in Houston.
Paulos, 59, who is establishing the Baylor University Sports Medicine Clinic in Waco, Tex., surfaced as the surgeon once Palmer and his people told the Bengals they preferred an independent doctor rather than a team doctor to do the operation. The landscape in pro sports has changed since Paulos was literally on the cutting edge of sports medicine in Cincinnati a generation ago.
“Now it’s a more involved process with the family, the agents, the team,” Paulos said. “I know the sports medicine community very well in Cincinnati and he’ll be well taken care of by the team with the Bengals. He’s in excellent hands.”
The Bengals know Paulos well enough that they referred him to Palmer and Palmer decided to go with the recommendation. In 1978, Paulos and Dr. Frank Noyes formed Cincinnati’s first sports medicine clinic at One Lytle Place, where Paulos worked on some Bengals and Reds. It is Noyes, Paulos says, that did much of the definitive research on the ACL.
“Frank showed that it was the athlete’s ligament,” Paulos said. “It’s the one that’s used for running and jumping and pivoting. He demonstrated that without it, you can’t do it. Before Frank did that work, people didn’t think the ACL was very important.”
During the three–hour procedure to repair the ACL as well as the medial collateral ligament, Paulos grafted Palmer’s own tissue as well as tissue from organ donors to reconstitute and augment the damaged anatomy in the region between the tibia and femur.
Palmer wore a brace on his knee since he sprained his MCL in the same knee back in December of 2004, and Paulos said he and the team could end up opting to wear a brace that provides more protection.
Like everyone else, Paulos, who is a partner in the group that administers to the Texans and University of Houston, came away impressed with Palmer.
“He’s bright, he’s committed, you can see it in his eyes,” he said.
Yes, Paulos did look at the play before surgery, and watched Steelers defensive end Kimo von Oelhoffen’s hit on Palmer’s knee a few times.
“Sometimes the speed of the play, the angle, can give you a better idea of what you’re going to find,” Paulos said. “But no matter how much you see it, you really don’t know until he’s asleep on the table and you go into the knee with the microscope.”
And here’s a second opinion from the good doctor:
“A clean hit,” Paulos said. “It was an accident. No athlete would ever do something to another athlete like that on purpose.”
Late Thursday night after conducting a series of media interviews, Paulos, through the Bengals public relations department, released the following clarification:
“I believe and regret that media reports, based on interviews with me, have misinterpreted my view of Carson Palmer’s knee injury. Though the injury was serious, the essential facts remain his ACL and MCL have been repaired. I would consider this a typical MCL-ACL football injury. My comments attributed to me that the knee injury was “devastating and potentially career ending” were meant to describe such injuries in general, not Carson’s particular case. “I was accurately quoted by the Associated Press that my bottom line is optimism regarding Carson’s prognosis. With a successful rehabilitation program, he has an excellent chance of being medically cleared for play at the beginning of the 2006 NFL regular season.”<SCRIPT> <!-- var FiltersEnabled = 1 // if your not going to use transitions or filters in any of the tips set this to 0 applyCssFilter() var link_text=[]; //--> </SCRIPT>
http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5019
Doc optimistic Palmer can start season
By GEOFF HOBSON
January 12, 2006
Posted: 11:15 p.m.
Although his patient suffered what he called “severe ligament damage,” Carson Palmer’s surgeon is optimistic that the Bengals quarterback can return in time for the start of the regular season.
Dr. Lonnie Paulos also said Thursday that much hinges on the next few months of rehab and how it heals “things that are really out of my control and Carson’s control. We need to give it a few months. But he’s got an excellent chance to be back playing as well as he did before.”
Paulos says the normal timeframe for recovery for reconstructive knee surgery is nine to 12 months, but he thinks Palmer will be back “long before that,” even though he called it an atypical tear of the anterior cruciate ligament.
“The kneecap slipped off to the side and caused some damage,” Paulos said. “It’s not the usual ACL tear, but we don’t believe this is going to be a career-ending injury. Really, it comes down to rehab and determination, and knowing Carson, he’s going to do what he has to do.”
Palmer left for home Thursday to begin rehab in California after Paulos operated Tuesday at the Texas Medical Center in Houston.
Paulos, 59, who is establishing the Baylor University Sports Medicine Clinic in Waco, Tex., surfaced as the surgeon once Palmer and his people told the Bengals they preferred an independent doctor rather than a team doctor to do the operation. The landscape in pro sports has changed since Paulos was literally on the cutting edge of sports medicine in Cincinnati a generation ago.
“Now it’s a more involved process with the family, the agents, the team,” Paulos said. “I know the sports medicine community very well in Cincinnati and he’ll be well taken care of by the team with the Bengals. He’s in excellent hands.”
The Bengals know Paulos well enough that they referred him to Palmer and Palmer decided to go with the recommendation. In 1978, Paulos and Dr. Frank Noyes formed Cincinnati’s first sports medicine clinic at One Lytle Place, where Paulos worked on some Bengals and Reds. It is Noyes, Paulos says, that did much of the definitive research on the ACL.
“Frank showed that it was the athlete’s ligament,” Paulos said. “It’s the one that’s used for running and jumping and pivoting. He demonstrated that without it, you can’t do it. Before Frank did that work, people didn’t think the ACL was very important.”
During the three–hour procedure to repair the ACL as well as the medial collateral ligament, Paulos grafted Palmer’s own tissue as well as tissue from organ donors to reconstitute and augment the damaged anatomy in the region between the tibia and femur.
Palmer wore a brace on his knee since he sprained his MCL in the same knee back in December of 2004, and Paulos said he and the team could end up opting to wear a brace that provides more protection.
Like everyone else, Paulos, who is a partner in the group that administers to the Texans and University of Houston, came away impressed with Palmer.
“He’s bright, he’s committed, you can see it in his eyes,” he said.
Yes, Paulos did look at the play before surgery, and watched Steelers defensive end Kimo von Oelhoffen’s hit on Palmer’s knee a few times.
“Sometimes the speed of the play, the angle, can give you a better idea of what you’re going to find,” Paulos said. “But no matter how much you see it, you really don’t know until he’s asleep on the table and you go into the knee with the microscope.”
And here’s a second opinion from the good doctor:
“A clean hit,” Paulos said. “It was an accident. No athlete would ever do something to another athlete like that on purpose.”
Late Thursday night after conducting a series of media interviews, Paulos, through the Bengals public relations department, released the following clarification:
“I believe and regret that media reports, based on interviews with me, have misinterpreted my view of Carson Palmer’s knee injury. Though the injury was serious, the essential facts remain his ACL and MCL have been repaired. I would consider this a typical MCL-ACL football injury. My comments attributed to me that the knee injury was “devastating and potentially career ending” were meant to describe such injuries in general, not Carson’s particular case. “I was accurately quoted by the Associated Press that my bottom line is optimism regarding Carson’s prognosis. With a successful rehabilitation program, he has an excellent chance of being medically cleared for play at the beginning of the 2006 NFL regular season.”<SCRIPT> <!-- var FiltersEnabled = 1 // if your not going to use transitions or filters in any of the tips set this to 0 applyCssFilter() var link_text=[]; //--> </SCRIPT>
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I really hope the Bengals didn't rely on a doctorb to fix Palmer's knee. In the case of their franchise QB they need several doctor$ to work on him.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
Never Forget 31-0
hawg, I agree that they made a mistake throwing him out there with no offensive line, he took a beating. I don't believe his shoulder will ever be right. Its unfortunate.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
That's old son of Paul versus new son of Paul.
The medic involved in this treatment of Palmer is highly regarded. He simply has loose lips in front of interviewers.
As for exhawg's speculation concerning Couch - there is indeed something to this ... the article below is from December when Palmer's future looked untroubled. Now that we have a question mark hanging over the long-term health of their number 1 QB the Bengals will, IMHO, be open to further exploration of this and other options.
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Bengals audition former Browns QB Couch
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Even as the Cincinnati Bengals strive this year to secure the franchise's first division title since 1990, the team may also be peeking ahead a bit to the future.
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Cincinnati on Tuesday auditioned former Cleveland Browns quarterback Tim Couch, the top overall selection in the 1999 draft, ESPN.com confirmed. It does not appear a deal is imminent but, with franchises soon permitted to begin signing future free agents for the 2006 season, the Bengals may have been performing some due diligence.
Couch, 28, underwent extensive surgery on his right shoulder in February and is believed to be fully recovered. The six-year veteran has not appeared in a regular-season contest since the end of the 2003 campaign.
The Bengals' quarterback depth chart is currently solid, with emerging star Carson Palmer as the starter, experienced veteran Jon Kitna as the primary backup and second-year pro Craig Krenzel in the No. 3 spot. But Kitna, a nine-year veteran whose résumé includes 79 career starts, is eligible for unrestricted free agency next spring and could attract several suitors if he opts not to remain in Cincinnati behind Palmer.
If Kitna were to depart, the Bengals would probably seek an experienced quarterback to replace him, and Couch might be a candidate.
In five seasons with the Browns, who made him the top pick in 1999, Couch completed 1,025 of 1,714 passes for 11,131 yards, with 64 touchdown passes and 67 interceptions for a 75.1 passer-efficiency rating in 62 appearances, with 59 starts. The former University of Kentucky star was released in the spring of 2004 and signed with the Green Bay Packers but was cut toward the end of camp, after his shoulder problems precluded him from getting much preseason work.
Couch filed an injury grievance against the Packers, subsequently settled it and then underwent February surgery to repair tears to his rotator cuff, labrum and biceps. This summer, Couch told ESPN.com that he would be willing to accept even a No. 3 job on a depth chart just to get back into the league. Money will not be a factor for Couch, who has already earned $33 million in bonuses and salaries and approximately $5 million in endorsements during his career.
Teams can begin signing free agents for 2006 on Jan. 2, one day after the end of the 2005 regular season.
Ironically, the last regular-season game in which Couch appeared was at Cincinnati on Dec. 28, 2003; he completed 9-of-18 passes for 115 yards in a Browns victory.
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Captain Hindsight
The Hero of the Modern Age
The Bengals really have to be worried, now. After all, they just signed Palmer to a huge contract extension, recently. I think he'll come back, but one would have to wonder how he'll play once he comes back from this injury.
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I wasn't talking about luck with injuries, I was talking about luck with draft picks.
Ki-Jana Carter, anyone?
BTW - I've made no bones about being a Tim Couch fan in the past. I think the Bengals could do much worse than him. I see Shake n Blake is available...
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