ScriptOhio
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TS10HTW;1837812; said:
Hey thanks, unfortunately there is no way that I know of to "search" for a prevoiusly posted link.
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Hey thanks, unfortunately there is no way that I know of to "search" for a prevoiusly posted link.
Nutriaitch
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MaxBuck;1837722; said:
why?
if you get an academic scholarship, and proceed to sit on your ass and grades drop, you lose that scholarship (at least that's how it worked at the University I attended).
As it should be. The University is going to just carry your dead weight if you ain't even gonna try.
so why should you keep an athletic scholarship if you don't put forth the effort to stay in good standing with the team?
The University shouldn't be responsible to carry this dead weight either.
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cjmik_75
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If it was purely academics getting these kids cut it would be pretty cut and dry. The real situation going on here is that these kids aren't turning out to be as good as hoped (which was the case with Garrett) and they're being let go in hopes that the next recruit will be great. If you can't see that you're just blind. Watch the video from outside the lines and tell me Houston Nutt gives two shits about oversigning..."there's no rule saying we can sign 80".
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Nutriaitch
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TS10HTW;1837850; said:
yes that is what is happening.
and I don't see the problem with it.
like i said, if you are on an academic scholarship, but you don't make the grade, you lose your scholarship. You don't have to leave the school, but they ain't gonna pay for you to loaf around.
no body cries about that, because the kid didn't hold up his end of the bargain.
so why should it be different for athletes?
the school offered to pay for your education in return for your participation in athletics. if the kid isn't putting out the necessary effort in athletics, the school shouldn't have to pay for this kid to just coast his way through.
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Elephant
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Nutriaitch;1837873; said:
So are we to assume that every guy that gets "cut" is lazy and not holding up his end of the bargain?
You are right about the academic portion but kids have a criteria that they must meet and they know that from the start. For example, if you want to keep your academic scholarship your gpa cannot dip below a 3.00.
What is the criteria for cutting a football player?
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Deety
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Academic scholarships aren't routinely pulled at the last minute because a smarter kid came along.Nutriaitch;1837873; said:
If there is some measurable way to show the student has clearly dropped his end of the bargain - say, skipping practices - then yes, non-renewal makes sense. It should have to be by January 1, though - time for the kids to make other arrangements, and so it's the school that takes the risk, in this case of not having the right personnel after NLOID.
As for oversigning, the way to handle that would seem to be to sign the standard 25, let others agree up front to grayshirting if necessary with some form of commitment from the school, and accept the remainder as walk-ons or regular non-scholarship students with the understanding that they may be moved to scholarship if spots become available, but no guarantees. That way, everything is up front and it's the school, not the kids, taking the risk of something not working out.
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cjmik_75
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Nutriaitch;1837873; said:
Again we are not talking about academics. We are talking about kids who don't end up All-Americans so they're being cut to make room for a recruit that has All-American potential. And you don't have a problem with it. I wonder if the coaches are telling the parents that while recruiting their sons.
Elephant;1837880; said:
Apparently the criteria is subjective after all we are talking about the SEC bending the rules to gain a competitive advantage so it's all subjective.
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Emperor Brutus
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http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/recruiting-numbers/
Good job Florida, Georgia and Vanderbilt; everyone else in the SEC how many kids do you cut a season.
Also I'm proud of where we are on this list, if a kid commits to Ohio State the coach and the university commit to them.
Good job Florida, Georgia and Vanderbilt; everyone else in the SEC how many kids do you cut a season.
Also I'm proud of where we are on this list, if a kid commits to Ohio State the coach and the university commit to them.
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Nutriaitch
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Elephant;1837880; said:
i've stated more than once that i'm referring to Chris Garrett specifically.
i do not know the stories behind any of the other kids, so I can't comment on them.
Elephant;1837880; said:
i'm not a football coach, so i can't answer that question.
he was told at the end of the spring semester that his scholly wasn't being renewed for the fall.Deety;1837885; said:
that's pretty much how all schollys work (to my knowledge).
Deety;1837885; said:
LSU does this as well.
Barrett Bailey is a QB on roster right now as a preferred walk-on.
Means that IF a scholly comes available he may get one.
No promises though
TS10HTW;1837887; said:
I'm talking about this individual kid.
not only did he not become all american, but he dropped to 4th string with a walk-on (TC MCCartney) demote him to 5th string.
he ballooned up to hippopotamus size while supposedly taking part n the S&C program.
even some of his own teammates threw him under the bus and openly complained about his lack of effort and participation.
TS10HTW;1837887; said:
i don't know what the criteria should or shouldn't be.
but you can't just let a kid loaf his way through 4 years for free.
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TS10HTW;1837812; said:
And you weren't the first to post it in this thread.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
ScriptOhio;1837804; said:
OK, if the kid has two offers:
#1) one from a school that promises that the scholarship will be renewed for 4 years provided he stays academically eligible (and complies with team rules)
#2) another one from a school with a past record of the coach kicking kids off the team and yanking their scholarship
Why would a kid ever accept (or even his parents allow him to accept) #2?
Don't tell me the the kid and his parents didn't know, because I'm sure the coach of school #1 would be all to happy to point it out to the kid and his family during the recruiting process.
If I had a kid I'd want a "documented promise" (written or a video or something) that would hold up in court from the coach guaranteeing a 4 year renewal of the scholarship before I'd sign the LOI, etc.
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MaxBuck
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I didn't say anything about "should" or "shouldn't." I simply pointed out that the way things are done in the SEC is different from the way they're done in other D1 conferences.Nutriaitch;1837839; said:
It's how they seem generally to work in the SEC, for sure. Not so much elsewhere, although to be fair the explicit promise is only year to year, at every school (that may even be an NCAA rule).
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Nutri, these schools aren't just cutting malcontents or slackers. Every school has those. James Scott was shown the door (and ended up at Ole Miss, briefly, IIRC) for completely abandoning his responsibilities in practice and workouts (it wasn't talent).
They are finding ways to squeeze out the healthy & hardworking kids too in order create a competitive advantage by undoing that scholarship. They are erasing that mistake and bringing in a kid with potential and upside.
Sometimes they use bogus medical waivers to reclaim their scholarship. Meat market and other books often talk about how southern schools used to take a kids tutor away so he would flunk out. Sometimes they just plain cut them. Bama is the worst in this area.
There's a saying in recruiting, it's not the ones you miss on that kill you, it's the ones you get. Because when you take a kid on a scholarship, unless he starts dealing weed or stops going to class, you are stuck with him for at least 4 years. In big ten country, sometimes schools will not extend a 5th year scholarship to a redshirt junior who is not contributing.
When you know you can find a way to squeeze out a sophomore who is sliding lower on the depth chart, you can take more risks with what players you offer, both in quantity and in type of prospect. You can take on a high risk, high reward project, and if it doesn't work out, you can get that scholarship back after 1-3 years and try another prospect. That's an incredibly huge advantage achieved at the expense of the kid
They are finding ways to squeeze out the healthy & hardworking kids too in order create a competitive advantage by undoing that scholarship. They are erasing that mistake and bringing in a kid with potential and upside.
Sometimes they use bogus medical waivers to reclaim their scholarship. Meat market and other books often talk about how southern schools used to take a kids tutor away so he would flunk out. Sometimes they just plain cut them. Bama is the worst in this area.
There's a saying in recruiting, it's not the ones you miss on that kill you, it's the ones you get. Because when you take a kid on a scholarship, unless he starts dealing weed or stops going to class, you are stuck with him for at least 4 years. In big ten country, sometimes schools will not extend a 5th year scholarship to a redshirt junior who is not contributing.
When you know you can find a way to squeeze out a sophomore who is sliding lower on the depth chart, you can take more risks with what players you offer, both in quantity and in type of prospect. You can take on a high risk, high reward project, and if it doesn't work out, you can get that scholarship back after 1-3 years and try another prospect. That's an incredibly huge advantage achieved at the expense of the kid
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